@eaglejarl@Velorien Is there a limit on how many FP you're willing to let us exchange? It's been mentioned before that it would be pretty insane game balance for someone like Jiraiya to be able to stockpile and spend like 50 FP at once
@eaglejarl @Velorien Is there a limit on how many FP you're willing to let us exchange? It's been mentioned before that it would be pretty insane game balance for someone like Jiraiya to be able to stockpile and spend like 50 FP at once
The enemy knows we're Leaf. Don't let any escape, and Seal up any bodies afterward.
Activate MARS buffs immediately.
Yuno/Akane can counterattack off-turn if Kei/Snowflake/Hazou Substitutes with them from melee. Use if helpful.
If passing tags could prevent injury, do so.
Hazou
Exchange 20 XP for 2 FP.
The enemy has pegged him as the main threat, play into that as appropriate. Focus on evasion/defense while the heat is on him (Seals, MEW, etc.)
Use buffs from MARS, pass tags to Yuno/Akane, unless needed for evasion.
Assist with fighting or supporting if/when senior ninja stop focusing on him
If Hazou thinks it would be worth Summoning Cantelope, do so.
Yuno
Kill commander first, second in command second.
Other party members support her as necessary, with seals, maneuvers, jutsu, etc.
Akane
Exchange 20 XP for 2 FP.
Prioritize Yuno's targets.
Either attack or focus on supporting Yuno (such as by passing along Flame Aura tags), where appropriate.
Kei
Pass tags to Yuno (or Akane where appropriate), unless needed for evasion.
Pick off enemy support.
Don't Summon unless Snowflake is popped.
Snowflake
Pass tags to Yuno (or Akane where appropriate).
Pick off enemy support.
Maintain Supplemental to substitute with an ally in danger of taking a serious hit.
Aftermath
Treat any wounds as necessary
Ask others: should we start forest fire to cover tracks, or Summon a big pangolin to fuck up the battleground, make it look like chakra beasts attacked?
Leave after Summoning. If pangolin notices more ninja approaching, burrow down.
Skywalk to avoid leaving a trail.
Check in with Leaf as soon as possible.
Ruminate on the thrill of battle and if any Jashin-related feelings seem evident.
We weren't trying for a fight here so I think just trying to survive is sufficient. But... we could ambush a second patrol later and so long as they don't realize where we're from or anything else about us, this could work
Yes, but what if the fight just happens to end with one of them unconscious? Or if one of the last ones standing is one of the genin, whom we (Yuno) can easily subdue without killing them or letting them escape? As the plan currently goes, we just automatically kill them anyway, but interrogating and then killing them is about as safe while potentially massively more valuable. Leaving free value on the table.
Edit: Oh yeah, and then we can try killing them while internally praying to Jashin! Science, too.
Yep, it is the most lucrative way of doing things, there's no way people here will go fo it. Just hop in the murrder train, it at leas won't make things worse.
As the plan currently goes, we just automatically kill them anyway, but interrogating and then killing them is about as safe while potentially massively more valuable. Leaving free value on the table.
If this happens, I really hope that we get to stop and vote on it instead of just executing him. Dealing a killing blow to someone totally helpless will likely kick off huge guilt in Akane.
If this happens, I really hope that we get to stop and vote on it instead of just executing him. Dealing a killing blow to someone totally helpless will likely kick off huge guilt in Akane.
@Shrooms, including a line to end the update if we're left with a survivor or helpless enemies would get you my vote. Suggested wording and some wordcount optimizations to fit it (leaves you at ~290) below.
I think it's a very real possibility that we pretty much immediately gank the two senior nin and then go through the kids like they're not even there. I think this is likely to kick off a huge wave of guilt in Akane as well as being pretty legitimately shitty of us: if a civilian six-year-old charged at us waving a stick, regardless of whether they had murder in their heart it wouldn't be self-defense or justifiable. The gaps between us and that kid and us and three random genin are different but both large.
I legitimately think that if we happen to be left with a survivor or survivors, we have good moves. My preference would be that we knock them out, scram, phone home to Leaf if possible, gently interrogate them, and firmly impress upon them that, yeah, we are actually serious about that whole trade deal thing, we're sorry we had to kill your friends but they didn't leave us with much choice, here's a few scrolls full of goodies, if you want more like it then feel free to show up in Leaf and we can work something out, otherwise please leave us the fuck alone while we talk to other, hopefully friendlier, villages. (By the way, finish the job? We're here because we've had zero contact with you ever as far as we know.)
From there, we can knock them out again (T&I can provide drugs at the right dosage if we don't feel like concussing them further or want to be sure that they'll stay down for at least an hour) and leave them with a single kunai, enclosed in MEW box. This is legitimate mercy and pretty much no skin off our nose.
But simply having the room to make a call vs. having to deal with the fallout of slashing some poor schmuck's throat when we didn't have to seems good to me. To be clear, I'm not suggesting we try to take a prisoner, but I'd like to account for the possibility that we wind up with one.
Battle
General
The enemy knows we're Leaf. Don't let any escape. Seal up any bodies afterward.
Activate MARS buffs immediately.
Yuno/Akane can counterattack off-turn if Kei/Snowflake/Hazou Substitutes with them from melee. Use if helpful.
Pass tags if it can prevent injury.
Hazou
Buy 2 FP (20 XP).
The enemy has pegged him as the main threat, play into that as appropriate. Focus on evasion/defense while the heat is on him (Seals, MEW, etc.)
Use buffs from MARS, pass tags to Yuno/Akane, unless needed for evasion.
Assist with fighting or supporting if/when senior ninja stop focusing on him
If Hazou thinks it would be worth Summoning Cantelope, do so.
Yuno
Kill commander first, second in command second.
Other party members support her as necessary, with seals, maneuvers, jutsu, etc.
Akane
Buy 2 FP (20 XP).
Prioritize Yuno's targets.
Either attack or focus on supporting Yuno (e.g., pass Flame Aura tags) where appropriate.
Kei
Pass tags to Yuno (or Akane where appropriate), unless needed for evasion.
Pick off enemy support.
Don't Summon unless Snowflake is popped.
Snowflake
Pass tags to Yuno (or Akane where appropriate).
Pick off enemy support.
Maintain Supplemental to substitute with an ally in danger of taking a serious hit.
Aftermath
Treat any wounds as necessary
Ask others: should we start forest fire to cover tracks, or Summon pangolins to fuck up the battleground and fake a chakra beast attack?
Leave after Summoning. If the pangolins notices more ninja approaching, burrow down.
Skywalk to avoid leaving a trail.
Check in with Leaf as soon as possible.
Ruminate on the thrill of battle and if any Jashin-related feelings seem evident.
End update if we're left with a survivor/survivors or effectively helpless assailants.
TFW Yuno just blenderizes them all with a thirsty Satsuko. Feed your murderous chakra weapons, kids, or those same weapons will refuse to commit nonlethal takedowns.
It's unfortunate that we got to this point. But I think that we should kill them all, with some optional torture-for-information first. We may not like it, but that's the setting.
There's no fucking way a couple of storage scrolls full of goodies will convince the village not to come after us once we've killed their family members. Ninja social organization is clan based. So when we gank their superiors we also have killed their father/aunt/cousin.
I think this is likely to kick off a huge wave of guilt in Akane as well as being pretty legitimately shitty of us: if a civilian six-year-old charged at us waving a stick, regardless of whether they had murder in their heart it wouldn't be self-defense or justifiable.
I don't really agree with this bit: she and Yuno happily killed those fleeing Rock chuunin accompanying Shirogane and they weren't very old either. She didn't see anything wrong with Hazou killing Ken and the other 2, etc. Regardless of the morality of it I don't think this bothers her nearly as much as you're implying.
We've hardly used our tracker yet if we've had them out at all, acting like we're already out of options, to me, is weird. Not that this particular comment outright says that but I've seen the sentiment floating around.
Having more moves is fine, I just want to clarify I don't think we're screwed otherwise.
Are we? I kind of parsed that as an easy diplomatic approach, not something that was actually considered that important. I don't actually care about this that much personally, coupled with thinking it's not going to be feasible with the amount of bad blood they will have toward us for showing up in their lands and attacking their ninja for a Scroll (which isn't the full story but it's pretty easy for them to believe.)
If other people feel like we should actually pursue this I'd be interested in hearing their thoughts.
This is a bad idea. Torture doesn't work well at the best of times and resisting interrogation is almost certainly part of their academy curriculum. We'd be inflicting needless cruelty and likely getting little to no information.
At very worst, we take a prisoner and try to sound convincing when we offer them a clean death in exchange for information so basic we could have gotten it from a civilian village. If they say no, we give them a clean death anyway.
There's no fucking way a couple of storage scrolls full of goodies will convince the village not to come after us once we've killed their family members. Ninja social organization is clan based. So when we gank their superiors we also have killed their father/aunt/cousin.
I'm not suggesting that it'll mollify them or pay for the dead bodies. I'm suggesting that we do it to sell the idea that we really are here for a trade mission.
I'm not asking that we make active efforts to take prisoners. I don't even particularly want to talk about what we'd do with said hypothetical prisoners - it's a hypothetical.
I'm saying that the plan doesn't currently accommodate for the situation in which we wind up with one beyond 'kill them in effectively cold blood' which I think would have hugely deleterious effects on Akane's mental health, which is just barely improving, among other more philosophical concerns.
If we wind up with prisoners, I'd like to be able to discuss what we do with them. If it turns out that the answer is murder, so be it, but slaughtering them out of hand doesn't sit right with me.
Can't be. Abduction is when you take someone from a place and bring them here i.e. to your base. In this case you are taking them from here and sending them somewhere else. Thus, it is adduction. :>
We've hardly used our tracker yet if we've had them out at all, acting like we're already out of options, to me, is weird. Not that this particular comment outright says that but I've seen the sentiment floating around.
By 'still have some good moves' I mean 'we have more than one feasible option (murder) if we wind up with a live prisoner'.
We have a number of scroll-hunting options and I don't mean to imply otherwise, although I suspect that the likeliest scenario is that Jiraiya did in the Summoner but the clan recovered the scroll and arranged for someone else to get training.
Serious in the sense of, 'no, that wasn't just bullshit we fed you, it's a legitimate offer'. It's low-priority, but it's nothing to be laughed at.
I will bet you a vote commitment (modulus our respective sanity checks/standards) that if we wind up killing someone relatively helpless, Akane will be bothered by it to the point of being visibly sad/upset/distracted for at least the rest of the trip. (Dunno who'd necessarily judge that but I think we're both reasonable people.)
If we let someone survive, I expect the village to be reasonable (e.g., recognize that the killing that happened was self-defense and that we exercised mercy in sparing anyone) assuming we can play stupid enough about the 'finish the job' comment, which I interpret them as thinking that Jiraiya came out to wipe them out.
We have a number of scroll-hunting options and I don't mean to imply otherwise, although I suspect that the likeliest scenario is that Jiraiya did in the Summoner but the clan recovered the scroll and arranged for someone else to get training.
Imo it's more likely a different clan found it and doesn't have access to Summon training. Jiraiya was here several years ago, it shouldn't take the Squirrel Clan that long to teach someone new unless they literally just recovered it, which seems like convenient timing
I see. I don't think it will tide anyone over, nor will gifts, if we kill any of their people. If any of them die, and the others return to report about what happened I think that's instant bad blood which we're supposed to avoid
I will bet you a vote commitment (modulus our respective sanity checks/standards) that if we wind up killing someone relatively helpless, Akane will be bothered by it to the point of being visibly sad/upset/distracted for at least the rest of the trip. (Dunno who'd necessarily judge that but I think we're both reasonable people.)
Pass. I'm sure everyone but maybe Yuno will be disturbed at least somewhat by it, I don't think that's anything unique to Akane. I just don't think this is anything like setting the fires and I'm getting the vibe people think it's like a reality she's never had to face before. Killing other ninja is something she expected to have to do, killing civilians was not.
Could I get some clarification on this part? I am thinking this could be better read as "using buffs from MARS, pass tags to Yuno/Akane unless needed for evasion", but I want to confirm the intended meaning is the same.
This is a minor error intended to make QM eyes happier, do not go crazy over this.
We have to live in the setting before Uplift, acting like we've already achieved it is just gonna get us killed. See Hazou's speech at the Chunin exams.
I'm not suggesting that it'll mollify them or pay for the dead bodies. I'm suggesting that we do it to sell the idea that we really are here for a trade mission
We have to live in the setting before Uplift, acting like we've already achieved it is just gonna get us killed. See Hazou's speech at the Chunin exams.
My initial response was definitely flippant: that's not fair, and I'm sorry. I disagree with you here that this is so obviously beyond what we can reasonably accomplish that it isn't even worth trying. I think it's worth a shot. I don't know how we'd actually determine which is true/what the odds are, so I think this is probably just one where we agree to disagree.
