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It was at this point that Hazō became acutely aware that he was trapped in narrow quarters of nigh-indestructible solid air, high above the ground, with a ninja prone to homicidally overreacting to perceived offences and her certifiably insane, overprotective jōnin sister.

Sometimes, Hazō hated his life.
You guys remember when this was played for laughs?
 
And I'd bet my portable torture kit
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you stinking ninja stinker!
Yeah, you sure showed him!
Seal blanks?! Seal blanks?! Do you think I'm crazy, letting you give me seal blanks?! You just want to get me killed, don't you?! Admit it! You want my face to burn off and the tentacles to grow out my ears and use my arms like puppet arms as I slowly melt into a puddle of reeking goo that I have to clean up with a mop because some jackass thought it was a good idea to mess around with someone else's seal blanks!
Three responses to this, in order.
1. What?
2. Yes, in fact, you do seem a bit crazy.
3. WHAT???
"Yes! Ow, stop with the stabbing!" Hazō said.
I have a feeling that Hazo will be wishing this line actually worked in more situations.
And when you get a sealmaster who can hold her own in combat… well, it's hard to build a reputation when there's no comprehensible evidence left of what you did, and no survivors to tell anyone that you did it. I mean, look what happened with Whirling Tides."
I have a feeling that summoning is gonna produce some eldritch horrors
When that force finally gets to Whirlpool, communications drop like there's a ninja with the Gravity Element around.
Ninjas can have the gravity element? that seems kind of unfair.
Gravity Ninja: sets all enemy acceleration due to gravity to -1000m/s^2
All other ninjas: suddenly develop a new space program
hunter-killer dragonflies
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Mori said nothing for long seconds; her face had the blank, distant expression that the boys had seen only once before: when she'd gone deep into her bloodline to ensure Wakahisa's safety during the ninjutsu experiments.
I wanna see more spooky stuff
Mori blinked several times like someone just waking up from a heavy sleep. "Nothing," she said. "I am fine. I merely went a little too deep. It is difficult to analyze things with so many variables."
Speaking of spooky stuff, it seems that the reason she had trouble getting out of the trance was because she didn't take the time to anchor herself to points in the real world, and also she was looking at a very complex subject.
You're a smart guy with good ideas, and we're living in a dangerous situation. We can't afford to have problems in the team, so I'd like to know what to do about it. How can we work together better?
Is this good communication and preemptive conflict resolution? In a Naruto fic??? But the entire main plot wouldn't have happened if any of the main characters knew how to handle their disagreements. It's like I can't even recognize the world this story takes place in :p
She was there, somewhere, in the shadows, in a deep pool of liquid darkness. All she needed was a hand, a single helping hand to grab onto, but he wasn't close enough to reach. She was looking at him as she drowned, with eyes of despair and recrimination. "Why did you abandon me, cricket? Why weren't you here to save me?"
Well that's a punch to the gut.
"I do not know how to describe it to an outsider. It is… it is like transforming everything into ice. Perfectly clear ice, so that you can see all the way through it, and see how everything fits together. It is beautiful. Only you have to turn yourself into ice as well. And the further you go…

She hesitated.

"Ice does not care about anything," she finally said, her voice quiet. "Ice does not care about being a person again."
It seems that the Mori Bloodline does more than just shake a person up the longer they use it, but might warp the person, taking a bit of their personality/humanity and replacing it with some of that "ice"
Chapter 19 ends with a cliffhanger but it's somehow 3 am already, so I had better call it for the night.
 
Edited the plan how? What did we give up?

Nothing given up, 2 things delegated. Summoner training and running the clan.

Off-Screen:
  • Delegate running the clan to Akane and Mari and Noburi if he has time
  • Ask if Noburi can takeover Kagome's summoning training

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I think Ami would not accept the argument that she can't be put on Mari's level for caring about Kei. She would likely not-accept-it with grace and understanding, keeping a level head and moving the discourse in a positive direction.
I can agree with this, but I do feel we have to bring this to light how hypocritical she's being, especially if we actually plan to continue our relationship. People can't grow without their mistakes/flaws being brought to light.

Though if it guarantees your vote, I'll gladly take suggestions for what to change there.

I think Ami finds the first to be entirely acceptable, and Ami has already stated that she doesn't find the second to be true (or she's just telling herself and us that it isn't true).

Agreed, but see above for what I'm trying to do.
 
I shall endeavour to write an omake later today, when my outrageously long stay in classes of varying quality during a single day is over with.
Im going to try and be funny but still cater to very specific interests, with callbacks to chapters 197 and pre-retcon 483.
(This is enough clues for now. This post to see if people here will find the theme immediately, and if you'll think of the clues as too subtle, relatively subtle, or absolutely not subtle, in order to calibrate levels of subtlety accordingly to better fit your collective needs and desires in the actual writing)

Edit: if someone was hoping for funny reader-made content (or "fan once removed content", "fanfanfiction", or even, I suppose, a "derivative work of the second order") this won't happen until tomorrow because of a predictable SK-Class Spoon Failure Scenario.

Edit 2: "later today" turned into "be done at half past midnight on the 22nd of March of the next year", because I am a paragon of executive function.
 
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They would say "What is this, a Raymond Smullyan puzzle?"
  • EagleJarl always tells the truth, but in the maximally misleading way.
  • Velorien always answers with whatever would seem most ominous to you in retrospect, once you've acquired all information.
  • Noburi flips a coin before making each statement, and decides whether to lie or tell the truth based on the outcome.
  • Kei always tells the truth, but her answers are limited to 5 words, after which she runs out of patience.
  • Ino always tells the truth, but you can't ask her direct questions lest you embarrass yourself by looking stupid.
  • Mari always crafts her message to be maximally deceiving given your algorithm for analyzing her statements.
Their answers are not limited to single statements. Can you find out the names of all Leaf jounin by asking each of them the same question?
 
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  • EagleJarl always tells the truth, but in the maximally misleading way.
  • Velorien always answers with whatever would seem most ominous to you in retrospect, once you've acquired all information.
  • Noburi flips a coin before making each statement, and decides whether to lie or tell the truth based on the outcome.
  • Kei always tells the truth, but her answers are limited to 5 words, after which she runs out of patience.
  • Ino always tells the truth, but you can't ask her direct questions lest you embarrass yourself by looking stupid.
  • Mari always crafts her message to be maximally deceiving given your algorithm for analyzing her statements.
Their answers are not limited to single statements. Can you find out the names of all Leaf jounin by asking each of them the same question?
  • Asuma tries you for treason if you ask smartass tricky questions, or if you commit treason
 
He also has a known trend of doing significant things without first asking himself whether the authorities would want input on them.
I don't disagree with this second part at all. I guess my argument is that you should lean more on it. That it makes more sense for Hazo to have completely misunderstood Cannai and then proceeded to try and find ambassadors without a care in the world than it does for him to have kinda sorta misunderstood him and thought that excluding him in the short term would lead to any potential benefit. His conversation with Mari should lead to a "holy shit I'm dumb" moment or a "I don't think that what I'm doing is actually a problem but okay I'll ask" moment, not hemming and hawing. The final consequences could potentially be the same though. Just with less/a different kind of self-blame.

The Akatsuki letter was a very different situation than this.
 
So big whoops on my part. I hadn't yet actually read the retcon when I wrote my last couple of comments. Having read it, it fits Hazo just fine. No more complaints from me on that front.

You're going to need to do some time management because you don't have time to train Harumitsu, train Kagome-sensei, manage the clan, do 5 hours of exhausting exercise each day, run the clan, take care of normal food/hygiene/biology, and also sleep. Figure out which of those things you want to give up on.
We can do food however the punishment squad does food and we can have someone else wash us while we get read paperwork. That's not nearly enough to make up for five hours though.
I assume that Noburi taking over for us with Kagome would be a problem, both due to Noburi's high demand on missions and other projects and due to the setback of switching teachers. We might have to think about doing that anyway.
We might have to delegate management decision making to Gaku for a while. He's seen how we decide on most things and he is intelligent. If something truly novel or dramatic happens he can still ask Hazo, similar to when we were traveling to Arachnid territory. We can have him keep track of all the decisions he makes and have Noburi and/or Akane and/or Mari check intermitently. And once our punishment is over we can speed-read through all of Gaku's decisions and see if anything is off.
 
Can you extrapolate what you mean by this? The XP cost for this upgrade is much lower than 591.

Also, what benefits do you think we're going to get from adding to Sealing/Caligraphy/Earthshaping now instead of a month or two from now? As soon as our severes heal, we can make a substantially better model for study without investing anything into the Earthshaping jutsu. We'll have a much higher Effective Sealing as well, which I intend to use to research how 3D Sealing works (see my plan for more details).

In other words, we'll have a lot to do without sinking a single XP into anything. Therefore, we should invest our current XP into FOOM so that we can start acuring it faster so that when we need to spend XP to bypass roadblocks in the future, we'll have enough to do so without waiting. If you sink the XP we have right now into Earthshaping and it turns out that we can't use it on the Great Seal, then you've just wasted our reserves and prevented us from raising our modifier. What if you need sealing to understand the Great Seal more than you do Earthshaping? What if it's the other way around. We don't have the information now to make a smart choice about which skills are needed to help fix the Great Seal so it makes no sense to buy levels for that purpose now.

EDIT: @Halberdier this applies to you too.

Remember how eaglejarl once said he didn't know how we would go about solving the Great Seal? I wasn't too sure what to think of it at the time, except for maybe referencing how each Dragon is SS-Rank and we need to kill six of them just to deal with the ones already escaped, but now that we've traced the cracks with our fingers I think I know what he meant.

This is the Sage's seal. The Great Seal. It's wrought from stone unknown to mankind and traps souldrinkers greater than demigods, beasts meant to fight against the Tenfold Abomination. We don't know if the cracks are getting worse. We don't know if the HOWS are halting the problem or merely buying time - strictly speaking they could even be making it worse. We don't know if simply placing HOWS every month is enough, even if we kill the six Dragons we may only have bought some time. The Sage is nowhere to be found and unless we dig him up from wherever the heck he was talking about in that poem we're on our own for this.

Again I stress, this is the work of the Sage, or an equally-skilled contemporary. It eclipses every other seal we've seen, even the Summoning Scrolls (the Pangolin Scroll gave us +2 TYS, the Great Seal gave us +3). We are not ready to fix it. We could become the best sealmaster in the world and probably still not be ready to fix it. But if we don't, reality dies in dragonscourge.

So here's what we do: we FOOM as hard and fast as we can, with the sole purpose of getting Hazou as optimized for this task as he possibly can be. We're not going to get good enough in a year, and that means FOOM is the fastest way to get there. So, Resolve capstone, Earthshaping and Sealing and Calligraphy right behind it, all else secondary. We'll need to be the best sealmaster alive by a longshot, good enough to invent a new medium of Sealing and push it to the point where fixing the cracks becomes more than a pipe dream.

I used to think that 3D sealing was a waste of our time, that nearly anything we could get out of it would be outstripped by an equal investment in paper and ink sealing. That was before we felt the cracks, and now I'm singing a different tune. But we're not going to make it to the top this year, maybe not this decade, or the next, or the next. The numbers show, as they always have, that the fastest path to ultimate power is to push FOOM as far as it can go, Resolve capstone, elevate our target stats in the detours. This isn't a sprint to Earthshaping 50, it's a marathon to Earthshaping 100 or even further, and the best we can do is shoot for the stars and hope we make it there in time.

[X] Training Hazō: Chakra Scarcity

So, here is my too-late counter argument, because voting is about to close. (Exams, apologies).

1) It is unknown if we'll actually get the next earth shaper upgrade at 40 or 50. 50 is estimated, sure but that isn't guaranteed. I could also easily see the payoffs getting more consistent at high levels, because knowing a thing is fine, but once you're really good at a thing, you can consistently do more with it. Level 40 sealmasters seem like they can do a lot more than double what a level 20 one can do, you know? So, it isn't a guaranteed thing, just a matter of probability.

2) My point about knowing how much more is required still stands. The more we know Earth shaping, or sealing, the better an idea we'll have, and at this point we're hitting dead ends. Sure, yes, the severes leaving will be helpful. But if we're predicting we can hit the low 60s on a roll as is, boosting it gets us into the 70s, which is where we start to have a fighting chance, I'd argue.

3) We don't have time. It's been made clear the great seal is failing. There's an urgency here. Hazou finding the cracks supports that things are escalating. FOOMING to stats of 100 sounds great and all, but lets be real, that still take YEARS. "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan 5 minutes too late" and all that.

4) Meta. Eaglejarl liked my training post. And the QMs are unlikely to make an unwinnable challenge. Getting to stats of 100 likely isn't necessary to solve this.

5) Optics. If it doesn't seem like we're trying our best to get better at the relevant skills, other folks are going to assume it isn't a huge issue, and be less likely to support us in it.


[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters
 
@Sentient Tree For example wording, did you see my attempt to include it in a plan? It was including the "Mari is net positive for her safety" point you raised earlier, not the agency/happiness point you mentioned just now though
That seems like a much more succinct way to put it than I had, I like it.

[X] Don't Enter the Diva Path

Edit:
Also I hadn't seen it, so thank you for pointing it out to me. I've been having a hard time keeping up with the thread.
 
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Yes, I'm aware that you aren't capable of long-distance running at the moment. That aspect of your discipline training can wait until you are healed. Until then, why don't you do pushups until I get tired? Silently, if you please."

With a carefully-smothered sigh, Hazō dropped down into front leaning rest position and started hammering out pushups.

"Until I get tired". Nice. There's few things that cause such a feeling of preemptive suffering as that qualifier. "silently, if you please" is also such a polite kick in the teeth. Effective, but mean. Which is likely the goal here.

PSA: Chapter 438 has been updated. Please go back and re-read.

Thank you Eaglejarl. Not just for the quality interaction, but also for hearing the confusion and dissonance of the thread, working with us, and updating the model so that it's more congruent with our collective understanding. The difference between "that's not how I see things, deal with it" and "that's not how I see things, let's talk about it" is a big divide with huge implications. It hasn't been in doubt which side of the Responsible Authority Figure (pun intended) line you're on, but times like this do help, and are affirming for why so many of us are willing to put so much time into the quest.
(Vel, this goes for you as well, I'm just quoting EJ, and know he was in the giant discord discussion. You have also historically been good about this, no worries.)
 
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters

Also aren't we forgetting about Cannai's jutsu exchange that we need to talk over with Asuma sometime?
 
  • EagleJarl always tells the truth, but in the maximally misleading way.
  • Velorien always answers with whatever would seem most ominous to you in retrospect, once you've acquired all information.
  • Noburi flips a coin before making each statement, and decides whether to lie or tell the truth based on the outcome.
  • Kei always tells the truth, but her answers are limited to 5 words, after which she runs out of patience.
  • Ino always tells the truth, but you can't ask her direct questions lest you embarrass yourself by looking stupid.
  • Mari always crafts her message to be maximally deceiving given your algorithm for analyzing her statements.
Their answers are not limited to single statements. Can you find out the names of all Leaf jounin by asking each of them the same question?

I will offer you one year's worth of your income. Would you kindly kill all of leaf's jounin?

There, easy :V
 
[X] (GS) Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters
 
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