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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Has the water poisoning issue been communicated to leadership? (Asking because of the mention of another Zoo rush and not wanting to annoy Tsunade too much.)
 
It's a Velorien chapter and Kei could die at any time. I demand a Snowflake chapter in which Hazou escapes his injury amplified miasma of obliviousness
 
so, are we asking the spider how do they waterproof their webs?, they either have a method or it simply does not rain in the 7th path at all/where they are.
 
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so now the characters are a bad dice roll away from dying, again. I really hope they are allowed to use their stats in an actual fight instead of natural 1= death that is ever-present in civ quests.
 
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eaglejarl said:
Chapter 481: With A Soaring Heart
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oh huh, I wasn't expecting the chapter today.
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the book of summoning theory that Lady Tsunade had thrown at Hazō's head.
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Hoorah for massive time sinks! Yay for summoning training.
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It took Hazō a moment to decipher Lady Tsunade's handwriting. "Apportementu. It's the process of passing through the opening of the aetheric channel."
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Wow she legit wrote the entire book herself. I got to say, I was not expecting that. Perhaps Asuma was worried that Konoha would gain a prospective summoner at an inopurtune time when Tsunade would be needed and ordered her to prepare materials in advance. I can see him doing that.

Also, we have confirmed that Tsunade has not leveled caligraphy. That says something about her skill pyramid, I suppose.
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It took Hazō a moment to decipher Lady Tsunade's handwriting. "Apportementu. It's the process of passing through the opening of the aetheric channel."

"Hm. And what's this bit about xephtatic mentation?"

"Mental state is critical throughout the process, but especially during apportementu. As the portal is opening you need to maintain a mental state that balances opening as the primary ideation with creation and acceptance as the secondaries. Like all of this, the methodology needs to be personalized, so I can't simply give you a visual to cling to. It's got to feel right to you. Not just 'good enough', right. Start thinking about those three ideas. Come up with all the connecting concepts you can that work with each pair and with the triad, then try to combine those concepts in different ways until something clicks. When I finally got it, I felt the way I feel the first time I manage to make a new jutsu work. There's that instant where your body and mind and chakra all align, where a barrier disappears inside your head. It's like that 'aha!' moment of making a discovery in seal research. Take ten minutes and then we'll talk about what you came up with."
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Eagle, would you mind confirming whether I should treat this as technobabble? I'd hate to look too far into how summoning or chakra works (even though it seems pretty key to some Forbidden Lore) only to find that it wasn't anything you wanted to be consistent.
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Every seal was unique to every sealmaster. Oh, they were identical enough to be identified at a glance by anyone who already knew the pattern, but the precise details needed to be personalized to one's own chakra patterns. That was what seal research was, at base: Learning which amount and placement of feathering, pressure, and degree of curvature was required for one's chakra system to accept the blank as valid.
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TODO: Gain the Sage's chakra patterns so you can repair his seal.
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Hazō's pattern was beautiful, to him. Every seal was beautiful to its creator; one's chakra would not accept it otherwise. That put sharp limits on how Hazō's seal designs could be constructed, since lines could not cross unless the design permitted, and that made it tricky to connect disparate bits of a seal without crossing or using routes that did not have the smooth and elegant grace necessary for him to find them attractive.
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I really wonder how this will manifest in 3D Sealing. Adding the third dimension must completely change the landscape of what works for each sealmaster, perhaps to the point where it'll be even harder to work with or recognize other sealmaster's work.

I see now why you said this would be totally orthogonal to regular sealing.

oh no. are we going to need to level a new skill for this??

3D Sealing: Quadruple Cost (Note: Maximum skill level of half the charecter's Sealing level)
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What would it be like to create the Great Seal, or some other three-dimensional seal? Line layout would be simpler, since you could go under and over existing lines. On the other hand, there would probably be more zones of interaction, so maybe that would balance out the layout benefits. One thing was for sure, there would be way more space for power intakes, smoothing, and focusing, all of which would likely lead to more powerful effects. Hazō didn't even want to imagine the amount of power that the Great Seal contained, especially not after performing his first and only experimental investigation.
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Oh hey! This was just what I was thinking about. Sealing is totally different in three dimensions. Also, SHINY
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One of the seals that Kagome-sensei had produced as part of their research on the rift was a repurposed version of the chakdar seal. It detected levels and fluctuations in ambient chakra—very, very subtle ones—and had a series of dots that would light up depending on what it sensed. It was fascinating to walk around with it and watch the interplay of the lights. They were tapped directly into the fundamental underpinnings of the universe, a pinhole window onto a level of reality that could be accessed in no other way. Unfortunately, the seal had a range of only a few inches and it was so fragile that it would stop working if chakra was actively manipulated anywhere within ten or twelve feet while the seal was active. Also, they were single-use and inordinately fiddly, meaning slow to produce.
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We're making geniune diagnostic equipment now? I expected that to be way beyond what we are currently capable of. This changes things. For one, we should develop this and find a way to use it for our precise chakra measurement experimentation. It's a great leap forward. Unfortunately, we won't be able to publish our methodology since chakradars are our clan secrets and any sort of publically known sophisticated chakra detection device will immedieately make people suspect that we have chakra detection capabilites. That's the kind of thing that makes it much harder for the chakradars to protect us from ambushes. Not to mention we don't want other people gaining this technology.

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Once that was done and the HOWS emplaced, Hazō had brought out one of Kagone-sensei's chakroscope seals to see what the ambient chakra looked like.

It had instantly burst into flames.
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Looks like an overload to me. I'm tempted to write it off as "the Great Seal has too much power for this device to handle" but that would be ignoring quite a lot of other options. When we start investigating this further, we should try seeing how the chakradmeter handles the natural energy present in the Seventh Path. Also, build in limiters and the ability to shut itself off during an overload.
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The burst of light and smoke had attracted the attention of one of the Dragons
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There are still only six dragons that have escaped, correct?
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Perhaps he could have gone sooner instead of hiding in the stone of the butte, but after noticing the unpredictable effects of jutsu near the Seal, Hazō had decided to never summon or unsummon himself within a mile of the thing.
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Probably wise.
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Great power, great risk. Just like all seals, except more so.
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SHINY!

Hmmmm.....
Maybe there should be things that are totally impossible with regular sealing, no matter how high we level it, but are achievable with 3D Sealing. Like, at some point the medium we work in cannot go any further.

Also, I cannot wait for our first sealing failure with 3D sealing. On the bright side, messing around with this stuff will definitely give us confirmation that the Watchers do or do not exist.

Also, this is the kinda thing that might be an S-Rank Shiny in the wrong hands. It's a shame that there is an imminent threat of world destruction; I'd rather keep this in house instead of working on 3D sealing with Leaf's other sealmasters (and that of rival villages). Imagine if Jiraiya comes back and learns about 3D sealing only to find that half the villages in the Elemental Nations are playing around with it.

JIRAIYA: Do you want another Whirlpool, Hazō?! This is how you get another Whirlpool.

(That's not even getting into the fact that we're giving away the secret to the next level of sealing to the world instead of keeping it to ourselves. Real shame it's the only sensible path forward.)
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"All the yes," Hazō said absently, bending far back to stare at the sky where a wood-and-silk construct lumbered in clumsy yet sustained circular flight.
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Skysliders are actually working now? Damn, that's awesome! I mean, these aren't ready for any real use yet but PROGRESS!
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"It's the fin, M'Lord." Michiki backed a few steps, making abortive gestures of invitation that were desperate not to be seen as too demanding. Hazō followed his head of aerial research willingly enough as the man led him to where the rest of the research team waited around the second hazōlator (as they insisted on calling it). The men were all scrubbed clean enough to shine and dressed in their very best clothes, cleaned and pressed.
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Yeah those are pretty important. It's a real shame Hazō can't use my aeronautical expertise, or that of the other physics students in the thread. Understandably overpowered.
eaglejarl said:
That spider silk that you so generously provided us was precisely what we needed. May I say, My Lord, that it was astoundingly perceptive of you to recognize its properties. Thank you very much for your consideration."
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Oh neat. I'm glad we found a valuable use for that stuff. It's become an actual strategic resource once the Skysliders become properly developed and can be inplemented into Leaf's arieal strategum.
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"It's the sacrifical flames, My Lord." Michiki gestured to the vast array of bonfires dotted around the meadow. "I'm sure you remember the occasion on which you wisely suggested that during research it's important to try everything that might work. Well, one day we were discussing a separate issue and one of the men commented on how cold it was and how much he dislikes the cold. That allowed me to recognize that perhaps the air spirits dislike the cold as well, so we tested building sacrificial fires to propitiate them. We discovered it works quite well; they are very grateful and are far more willing to bear the hazōlators for long periods provided that the pilot remains over the flames, where the spirits may keep warm."
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Fine! I guess you want me to write in some suggestions for how they should improve the design, huh? Alright, let's break out the thermal physics and talk about why the temperature "appeases the spirits." So first.....
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"And that, Asuma, is why there's a giant mushroom cloud currenly encompassing a massive portion of the Seventh Path."
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Hazō looked up again, studying the soaring, well, lumbering creation above him. It was slow, it was ungainly, and it wobbled like a drunken farmer on the way home from the tavern, but it was flying.

His heart soared alongside it.
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I understand completely, Hazō.
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You had Mari give OPSEC lessons to the clan newbies. They are experienced ninja so it wasn't particularly necessary but they understood the desire.
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I was wrong, huh. My bad guys. I was pretty sure that clanless ninja wouldn't know the same kind of OPSEC that clans use for keeping clan secrets, different requirments then keeping mission details secret, and all.
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You spoke to Asuma about paying for a dog to go to Pangolin Territory for future summoning. He's okay with it. You have an appointment to talk with Cantelope and Cantilever tomorrow evening Human Path time, midafternoon Seventh Path time.
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Friendly reminder that Cantelope does not have a summon cost yet.

Also, I really don't want to override any kind of punishment Cannai did. Let's just gauge their interests and get their read on the situation they're in, then talk to Cannai to ask if we can go forward. I really want Cantelope as a summon. He seems like our most potent combat asset we currently have, even more so that lots of explosives.
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Various clan members have been deployed on various missions at Asuma's request. We'll be rolling for everyone's survival after some discussion of the odds. Mission counts are based on the assumption that people survived through the first ones and will be modified if it's later determined that they died.
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It might be time to bring up some of Akane's combat stats....No, I don't want to visiblly improve her enough that she gets sent on jōnin missions. Damn. @Paperclipped, do you have any ideas for how to proceed?
 
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eaglejarl said:
What would it be like to create the Great Seal, or some other three-dimensional seal? Line layout would be simpler, since you could go under and over existing lines. On the other hand, there would probably be more zones of interaction, so maybe that would balance out the layout benefits. One thing was for sure, there would be way more space for power intakes, smoothing, and focusing, all of which would likely lead to more powerful effects.
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... this is the major power up mystery box isn't it
 
posible power up box:
3D seals
Biosealing
Stone shaping
Elemental mastery
Sage mode

stone shaping is the one we have on our hands this very moment (at least until EM nukes get the green light)
 
eaglejarl said:
Sorry for missing this the first time around.

That outline looks good to me, although I'll let @Velorien answer for himself. Feel free to link to it from a plan.
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Would you mind clarifiying what 'linking to it from a plan' means? I'm still new to writing plans and I haven't had that come up before. I've put an example of how I'm currently interpreting it below, but I'm not confident this is what you mean.

Also, do you have any thoughts @Velorien?

(Also, I'd love to hear any suggestions from the thread in general about this proto-plan. I think it should be something we should consider as soon as our severes heal. Both the Great Seal Appocalypse and 3D Sealing itself (shiny!) are definitely priorities of a time-sensative nature.

[ ] Future Plan: Investigating the Great Seal
  • Request permission from Asuma to look for DRAGONWAR-related information in Sand
    • Having him pressure the Kazekage into assisting would be enormously helpful.
      • Lore/Sealmasters definitely won't help unless Kazekage briefs them on DRAGONWAR
    • Probe Sand Sealmasters for information on 3D Sealing and other esoteric sealing disiplines
    • Probe loremasters (including at least one from the Yodomi) for information on:
      • The Sage and his companions
      • The Dragons and other powerful entities sealed by the Sage
  • Research 3D Sealing
  • Have Noburi ask the Toads about Dragons and the Sage's companions
  • Have Kagome and Kei investigate how Isan developed an entire sealing tradition from studying a single seal.
    • Do you have any insights how we should reverse-engineer 3D sealing from just the Great Seal?
    • Are there any major weaknesses in Isanese sealing that come from this? How might we avoid similar problems with our 3D sealing?
  • Ask Isolde how he originally defeated the Dragons
  • Probe Mist Sealmasters and loremasters (including Tama)
  • With Asuma's permission, talk to Aunt Ren and a Kurosawa Sealmaster about the Great Seal and the Dragons.
    • Explain how the Iron Nerve recorded details about the z-dimension.
    • Ask about Iron Nerve (worth a shot)
      • Is everything that gets recorded important?
      • How does it know what to record?
      • How can it record aspects about the Great Seal that I never saw?
      • Is there anything else I should know that would help me prevent the imminent destruction of Seventh and then Human Path?
 
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I love the term, "lithobraking", so many possible implications.

Also, you're welcome for the still trade good idea.


Eisenhelm said:
so, are we asking the spider how do they waterproof their webs?, they either have a method or it simply does not rain in the 7th path at all/where they are.
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Eh, spider silk is a pain. It's amazingly strong, but only is it difficult to harvest because the producers are mutually carnivorous, but it involves bundles of carefully hydrated protein agglomerations. On paper it would make amazing body armor, by it's just too elastic. Still, it's an amazing material. Spiders literally use it to extend their brains and think.

Still, things like soaking in tannins, soy sauce, or rubbing it down with beeswax can help with waterproofing. There must be some leather tanners around with some experience. Co-weaving with canvas, hemp, or wool might help as well. Scorched rice husk silica might also be an option.
 
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So I figured I'd throw this out there for the hivemind.

Maybe we (Hazou) should start researching three-dimensional seals. Even just simple ones. Regular seals probably aren't going to get us to true necromancy, and even if 3-D seals won't, just experimenting with them would give us a broader base of knowledge to work with.

Of course, we should take all necessary precautions, maybe run it by Kagome and Asuma, but maybe this could be the beginning of something great? Even a basic byline in a plan stating that Hazou thought at length about this would be cool.

Edit: Somebody thought about this already? You guys have all kinds of bigbrains in this thread.
 
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Egg Shavings said:
So I figured I'd throw this out there for the hivemind.

Maybe we (Hazou) should start researching three-dimensional seals. Even just simple ones. Regular seals probably aren't going to get us to true necromancy, and even if 3-D seals won't, just experimenting with them would give us a broader base of knowledge to work with.

Of course, we should take all necessary precautions, maybe run it by Kagome and Asuma, but maybe this could be the beginning of something great? Even a basic byline in a plan stating that Hazou thought at length about this would be cool.
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Would you mind clarifiying what 'linking to it from a plan' means? I'm still new to writing plans and I haven't had that come up before. I've put an example of how I'm currently interpreting it below, but I'm not confident this is what you mean.

Also, do you have any thoughts @Velorien?

(Also, I'd love to hear any suggestions from the thread in general about this plan. I think it should be something we should consider as soon as our severes heal. Both the Great Seal Appocalypse and 3D Sealing itself (shiny!) are definitely priorities of a time-sensative nature.

[ ] Future Plan: Investigating the Great Seal
  • Request permission from Asuma to look for DRAGONWAR-related information in Sand
    • Having him pressure the Kazekage into assisting would be enormously helpful.
    • Probe Sand Sealmasters for information on 3D Sealing and other esoteric sealing disiplines
    • Probe loremasters (including at least one from the Yodomi) for information on:
      • The Sage and his companions
      • The Dragons and other powerful entities sealed by the Sage
  • Have Noburi ask the Toads about Dragons and the Sage's companions
  • Have Kagome and Kei investigate how Isan developed an entire sealing tradition from studying a single seal.
    • Do you have any insights how we should reverse-engineer 3D sealing from just the Great Seal?
    • Are there any major weaknesses in Isanese sealing that come from this? How might we avoid similar problems with our 3D sealing?
  • Ask Isolde how he originally defeated the Dragons
  • Research 3D Sealing
  • Probe Mist Sealmasters and loremasters (including Tama)
  • With Asuma's permission, talk to Aunt Ren and a Kurosawa Sealmaster about the Great Seal and the Dragons.
    • Explain how the Iron Nerve recorded details about the z-dimension.
    • Ask about Iron Nerve (worth a shot)
      • Is everything that gets recorded important?
      • How does it know what to record?
      • How can it record aspects about the Great Seal that I never saw?
      • Is there anything else I should know that would help me prevent the imminent destruction of Seventh and then Human Path?
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Okay, so my orientation means that I don't grok how people can find certain clothes more attractive than other clothes. I've spoken with others enough to have an objective/indirect understanding of it (hints of the unknown, colors that flatter one's complexion, showing curves/lines of the body, etc) but I still have to approach it like a color blind person might approach artistic color theory. That is, intellectually, across the gap of Qualia, [and] with a certain amount of faith [that it's not just one giant prank].

I've also waxed poetic before on how marriage as an institution confuses me.

So, all disclaimers said, I'm not sure how much of this plan meshes with Hazou-pilot's belief system (he's a straight, teenage boy, and also a clan head). So if the QMs say that certain parts are untenable, then that's that.

[x] Action Plan: A Snowflake Scene with Plausibly Romantic Overtones
Words: tbd
  • Spend time with Snowflake, she picks the thing ("anything not paperwork, please")
  • Compliment her attire during Yuno's Birthday Ceremony and during her Wedding Ceremony
    • We don't really care about clothes beyond utility, more the person actually wearing them.
    • More important than matching colors or contrasting patterns, you seemed to carry yourself more confidently while wearing those clothes, and that's what's important to us (not the actual cloth, itself).
  • Ask how things have changed now that they're all married (also: laugh at Hag). Is there any difference in the relationship as it existed pre-ceremony, versus post-ceremony?
  • Discuss the philosophy of marriage, but keep thing light.
 
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Egg Shavings said:
[X] Future Plan: Investigating the Great Seal
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I appreciate the vote of confidence this plan isn't quite ready to go into play just yet. Our severe consequences heal just around the corner though, so we don't have to wait long.

I'll be sure to ping you once I release the actual version! I'm glad to see someone else is on the same wavelength as me.
 
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RandomOTP said:
Okay, so my orientation means that I don't grok how people can find certain clothes more attractive than other clothes. I've spoken with other enough to have an objective understanding of it (hints of the unknown, colors that flatter one's complexion, showing curves/lines of the body, etc) but I still have to approach it like a color blind person might approach artistic color theory. That is, intellectually, across the gap of Qualia, [and] with a certain amount of faith [that it's not just one giant prank].

I've also waxed poetic before on how marriage as an institution confuses me.

So, all disclaimers said, I'm not sure how much of this plan meshes with Hazou-pilot's belief system (he's a straight, teenage boy, and also a clan head). So if the QMs say that certain parts are untenable, then that's that.

[x] Action Plan: A Snowflake Scene with Plausibly Romantic Overtones
Words: tbd
  • Spend time with Snowflake, she picks the thing ("anything not paperwork, please")
  • Compliment her attire during Yuno's Birthday Ceremony and during her Wedding Ceremony
    • We don't really care about clothes beyond utility, more the person actually wearing them.
    • More important than matching colors or contrasting patterns, you seemed to carry yourself more confidently while wearing those clothes, and that's what's important to us (not the actual cloth, itself).
  • Ask how things have changed now that they're all married (also: laugh at Hag). Is there any difference in the relationship as it existed pre-ceremony, versus post-ceremony?
  • Discuss the philosophy of marriage, but keep thing light.
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"Honey, I love you so much that I want to get the government involved in our relationship."

There's a whole mess of mutually recursive goals battling for equilibrium when it comes to fashion. It's one of the reasons that there is such an obsession about shoes. They're an easy lightning rod for the urge to ornamentate. Feet are what they are. You can't diet or work them out to change them and there is relatively little social stigma attached to them, so focusing on decorating them is an easy way to release the pressure without needing to confront the sheer hell involved in trying to do it with pretty much any other part of the body.
 
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