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[x] Action Plan: Birthdays and Awkward Family Moments
Words: TBD

  • Hazou/Noburi Birthday (QM's pick)
  • Invite Yuno and Ami
  • Find time to ask Keiko, in private, for advice about successfully navigating a nontraditional relationship. Use CCnJ to clarify intent and Hazou-pilot from there.
 
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[x] Action Plan: Objectively the Best Plan So Far
Word count: 101
  • Test clone jutsu interactions.
    • Could an Earth Clone cast Earth Clone? If yes, is the second-order clone similar to the first-order clone in abilities (a weaker version of Hazou), or is it a weaker version of the first-order clone?
      • Could an Earth Clone cast Shadow Clone? If yes, again: is it Hazou's Shadow Clone or the Earth Clone's Shadow Clone?
        • Does Hazou get its memories?
      • What about a Shadow Clone casting Earth Clone?
    • Are second-order clones range-limited by their proximity to Hazou or to the clone who created them?
  • Once that is done, let whatever Velorien wants happen, we trust him.
 
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[x] Action Plan: Objectively the Best Plan So Far
Word count: 80
  • Test clone jutsu interactions.
    • Could an Earth Clone cast Earth Clone? If yes, is the second-order clone similar to the first-order clone in abilities (a weaker version of Hazou), or is it a weaker version of the first-order clone?
    • Could an Earth Clone cast Shadow Clone? If yes, again: is it Hazou's Shadow Clone or the Earth Clone's Shadow Clone?
    • What about a Shadow Clone casting Earth Clone?
  • Once that is done, let whatever Velorien wants happen, we trust him.

I advise you add subpoints on testing earth clone dependencies to the effect of having them walk in opposite directions from Hazou (if one pops when theyre both ~50m away from Hazou, we live in the Earth Clone's Earth Clone Universe).

Similar variant for SC's EC (have Hazou walk away) and EC's SC (have it pop: do we get the memories?).
 
[X] Hazou/Noburi's birthday
[x] Action Plan: Birthdays and Awkward Family Moments
 
Warning up front: one main character birthday is likely to be its own update unless I find myself with a surfeit of spoons. Certainly, two in one is out of the question.
 
[x] Action Plan: Objectively the Best Plan So Far
 
I advise you add subpoints on testing earth clone dependencies to the effect of having them walk in opposite directions from Hazou (if one pops when theyre both ~50m away from Hazou, we live in the Earth Clone's Earth Clone Universe).

Similar variant for SC's EC (have Hazou walk away) and EC's SC (have it pop: do we get the memories?).
Is this fine?
[x] Action Plan: Objectively the Best Plan So Far
Word count: 101
  • Test clone jutsu interactions.
    • Could an Earth Clone cast Earth Clone? If yes, is the second-order clone similar to the first-order clone in abilities (a weaker version of Hazou), or is it a weaker version of the first-order clone?
      • Could an Earth Clone cast Shadow Clone? If yes, again: is it Hazou's Shadow Clone or the Earth Clone's Shadow Clone?
        • Does Hazou get its memories?
      • What about a Shadow Clone casting Earth Clone?
    • Are second-order clones range-limited by their proximity to Hazou or to the clone who created them?
  • Once that is done, let whatever Velorien wants happen, we trust him.
 
Thoughts On Shipping Ami with Hazou: An Update

I'm not so sure that I ship Ami with Hazou, anymore. Up until EJ's Polycule chapter, I was pretty on board with the Ami/Hazou hypetrain, even if I still enjoyed the varying tones and potential narrative changes that the other ships possessed. But that specific chapter swayed me, through its wonderful interaction between Ino and Hazou. So I had a new favorite romance subplot to root for, even if still I enjoyed the idle idea of an Ami/Hazou romance, in theory. But with Velorien's most recent chapter, I'm beginning to think that Ami (as a character) is firmly in the "friendzone" for my interpretation of Hazou's character. Namely, I don't that the specific pressures and expectations inherent within romance is what Ami needs for her growth as a character.

Let's review what we know of Ami. We know that for a long time, Ami was little more than the pawn of the Mori clan elders. Then something horrible happened. Keiko was there to help Ami in some unknown capacity, but it was still traumatic enough to cause Ami to value her freedom and autonomy above all else –even her mysterious Ultimate Goal. Ami became one of the youngest Jonin in recorded history, but she'd still throw away all of her life's work if it meant that she could retain her autonomy.

We also know that Ami trained under Mari-as-the-Heartbreaker, with all that it entails; teachers and mentors often pass along far more than just their skills to their students. So Ami learned social manipulation from Mari when she was in her element and at her most effective, without the constraints of morality. Ami is also habitually mercenary in her social interactions, trading favors and viewing "friendship" as nothing more than a useful little social construct that provides her a greater degree of influence over/utility from those individuals who are "Ami's Friends."

Furthermore, we also know that Ami has very little experience with family. Whatever trauma that she went through (along with the cold behavior from her parents, the manipulative Mori clan elders, and the distrust directed at her from the wider Mist as a whole) soured Ami on the entire concept of "family." While Ami might readily assert that Keiko is the only one she considers "worthy" of being considered a "true" family member, we also have to remember that Ami hasn't really had very much interaction with Keiko. In Mist, Ami had to keep her distance from Keiko to prevent Mist's political entities from using Keiko as a tool against Ami –entities who are more similar to Hiashi Hyuuga than many of us would like to believe, who would've likely discarded Keiko once her usefulness was gone. So Ami, to be blunt, was able to love Keiko "on easy mode," as it were; Ami was able to love Keiko from a safe distance –without all the messy emotional vulnerability, stupid fights, and pointless arguments that families normally go through without that convenient distance.

Because of all this, Ami has never really had to participate in family before, even with Keiko. And now that Hazou is becoming increasingly involved in her personal life, Ami is realizing that she's out of her comfort zone, out of her area of expertise. Ami was expecting Keiko to get involved with a "nice boyfriend" that she, Ami, would then "break and reshape into a worthy husband." But Hazou-as-a-character isn't Keiko's boyfriend, he's her brother. And Hazou's not some average person that needs to be "broken and reshaped" into someone worthy of Keiko's love –familial or otherwise. No, Hazou's someone perceptive enough to see through even Ami's deceptions, given enough time. Hazou's the rare type of someone who's broad-minded enough that he also sees the fundamental flaws of the world while also being driven/optimistic enough to also work towards fixing those flaws. Hazou's intelligent enough to understand Ami's perspective, but still humble enough to set his pride and bias aside to work towards the "greater good" –even if it means that his "enemies" are uplifted, too.

For all of Hazou's character flaws –tunnel vision, overprotectiveness, impatience, etc –Keiko still considers Hazou to be family. Despite all that they've been through, and despite all of their mutual mistakes, their familial bond has endured, growing stronger for all the struggles they share. So that sibling relationship isn't likely to fade with time, or wear thin from a thousand slights –perceived and real alike –the way that many other social bonds might. So Ami is stuck with Hazou, since Ami is unwilling to sever her ties with Keiko.

Thus Ami, perhaps for the first time since her initial trauma, is truly vulnerable. She's tied to someone whom she can't break –because he's tied to someone that she simply cannot afford to lose. Ami's now tied to someone who, given enough time, sees through the pageantry and facades that Ami uses to protect herself. And Ami is deeply, deeply unsettled by it. She's tried to force Hazou's genuine friendship away, framing their interactions as just another "political transaction." But she's never actually called in those "favors" because Ami has never truly seen their interactions in that way. It was a self-imposed doublethink that she knew was a lie, even as she upheld it, because to drop it was to admit weakness –to drop it was to admit vulnerability.

Ami was prepared for Keiko getting a boyfriend, and maybe even a husband, but never a brother. And Hazou is perceptive enough to become Ami's equal –Ami's family –in truth. That scares Ami on a deeply fundamental level. And that terror, that sheer level of complete vulnerability, is not conducive towards a healthy romance. The power imbalance in such a relationship would be horrific. So I propose that we should have Hazou (eventually) become Ami's brother, rather than her romantic partner.

TL;DR: Right now, Ami needs a brother, not a partner.
 
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The ship was already off limits due to age discrepancies, once they're within reasonable bounds I expect this situation to be much different

Besides, if you're not shipping Hazou with Rock Lee what are u doing with urself
 
We also know that Ami trained under Mari-as-the-Heartbreaker, with all that it entails; teachers and mentors often pass along far more than just their skills to their students. So Ami learned social manipulation from Mari when she was in her element and at her most effective, without the constraints of morality. Ami is also habitually mercenary in her social interactions, trading favors and viewing "friendship" as nothing more than a useful little social construct that provides her a greater degree of influence over/utility from those individuals who are "Ami's Friends."
An exaggeration. Mari gave sage advice in exchange for favors done for her.
 
[X] Hazou/Noburi's birthday


In Mist, Ami had to keep her distance from Keiko to prevent Mist's political entities from using Keiko as a tool against Ami –entities who are more similar to Hiashi Hyuuga than many of us would like to believe, who would've likely discarded Keiko once her usefulness was gone. So Ami, to be blunt, was able to love Keiko "on easy mode," as it were; Ami was able to love Keiko from a safe distance –without all the messy emotional vulnerability, stupid fights, and pointless arguments that families normally go through without that convenient distance.

Nobody was using Keiko as a tool against Ami? During the time Keiko was in Mist she was considered useless by her family and Ami was a clan hero (which is part of why Anna wanted to be Keiko's friend in the first place) so nobody was using her for anything. This might be Ami's original source of anger/frustration.

And Keiko became a missing-nin a few months after graduation, which was probably the main trigger for her trauma.

Also, Keiko and Ami were spending time together originally:

"Not unacceptable. Ami is everything to me, even still. She raised me. She saved me from the world. She sacrificed hours and days that could have hastened her meteoric rise to help a little girl who had earned nothing and deserved nothing. If Ami wishes to hurt me, then she may hurt me."


And the evil Mori clan elder want to use Ami to manipulate Keiko not the other way around:

"You're important now. Not just to me, I mean. You're the Hokage's daughter. You're the Nara consort. There are a lot of people in the clan for whom you'd make a great tool."

"A tool?" Kei asked. "But I am no longer even part of the clan. You… you made that quite clear."

"And I am so, so sorry for that. But the fact is, Elders Kōjirō, Sachiko, Mayuri, Shina and Reiji all have their own designs on you, and maybe others I've overlooked. And you do have a connection to the clan. Me."

"You?"

"Me. For as long as you want me to be part of your life, there's an opening for them to manipulate you. That's one reason why attachments suck. I thought the best thing I could do was to… get rid of that attachment, at least until you had a firmer position so you could fend them off on your own."



Mori (especially those with the FS) in general seem to have trouble socializing, like Keiko just figured out that she should perhaps spend more time with Hazou+Clan or how Anna never asked Keiko why she run away. There is also the Interlude where Mori girls destroy their plush toy's, there all weird.

Keiko's parent's likely did the same and were just garbage at parenting:
Hazō gave her a strange look. "Keiko, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure it's not normal for parents to abandon their children just because they don't live up to their expectations."

"What are you talking about? Of course it's normal. It's a matter of rational optimisation. Parents are no different to other shinobi in that they have limited resources with which to serve their clan and their village, and must allocate them as effectively as possible. In cases such as mine, when it is apparent that extensive investment in a child's upbringing will not generate sufficient return, it is sensible to perform only the necessary minimum and spend the rest of one's time and energy elsewhere.

"If anything," Kei felt herself growing irritated, "my parents were generous. They not only permitted but expected my presence at family mealtimes. They tolerated Ami's decision to spend time with me, despite the fact that any other activity on her part would have been of greater benefit to the clan. They held me to the family's high standards despite my demonstrated ineptitude. They even expressed occasional interest in my activities at the Academy, a topic of no relevance to the lives of adult shinobi like themselves. It is not as if I were an unwanted civilian child, knowing I would be the one to starve to death should a lean year bring insufficient food to sustain the entire family."

Hazō seemed taken aback, which was only appropriate. Who was he to pass judgement on her family? To imply that she had somehow been systematically mistreated, simply because her relationship with her parents was different to his? Did he expect her to be jealous that his mother had, for lack of any other options, apparently invested such a vast amount of herself in a bond with her son? That he was so close to her that, two years on, he was prepared to risk his life in order to be with her again and believed she would do the same?

(Keiko seem's to think her parents were "OK")

So yeah, Ami is angry at all the Mori for abandoning Keiko, but I doubt she "doesn't know what family is". This is just the first time she can spend time with people that actually care about Keiko, which admittedly for Ami is one and the same.


So Ami is stuck with Hazou, since Ami is unwilling to sever her ties with Keiko.
Thus Ami, perhaps for the first time since her initial trauma, is truly vulnerable.

I don't disagree, but that doesn't sound very healthy (for us), she does seem to value a sibling-bond more than her own parents, but we are only a "brother-figure" because of Keiko.


I assume your goal is that she would someday value Hazou in similar fashion like Keiko?

TL;DR: Right now, Ami needs a brother, not a partner.

Sounds like a nice sentiment, but how is this suppose to work? Unconditional (emotional or otherwise) support like with Keiko? Just spending time with her?

Also technically Ami has Shikamaru as her brother-in-law, Tenten as a defacto sister-in-law and even Mari as Stepmom (if Hazou count's as brother then she does count as Stepsomething too). So it's not like she is hurting for "new" family.

PS: (Marriage isn't about love, it's about alliances! You can't take my meme's from me!)
 
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Should we have an Uplift meeting on FOOM OPSEC? Run the countermeasures by Keiko, debate the Ami dilemma all together? Regardless



[x] Action Plan: Objectively the Best Plan So Far
 
Should we have an Uplift meeting on FOOM OPSEC? Run the countermeasures by Keiko, debate the Ami dilemma all together?
That could be an interesting scene. Noburi being quietly terrified, Keiko passionately advocating for her sister, Kagome annoyed at having to trust someone else, Mari being confident but secretly worried.
 
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