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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Don't worry, that's in there.
Interesting, I believe I can put that in, it adds another perspective to that angle.
Cariyaga
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I don't know about that. Asking Jiraiya puts it in a context beyond what we might want... well, asking him first, anyway.
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What, no I mean we should talk about Jiraiya. The poor guy never gets asked what he wants
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So... remove the bit about asking Jiraiya about asking Ami about Keiko?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Maybe give other people a chance to respond. I'm sure someone will make an argument for or against it that has more behind it than vague discomfort at the idea of making valuing Keiko's opinion conditional on Jiraiya's input.
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Aww, it's cute when it's not trying to take over the world.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Yep. After all, first we need to ask Jiraiya about asking Keiko about asking Ami about Keiko, then ask Keiko about talking with Jiraiya about asking Ami about Keiko, and only then can we ask Jiraiya about asking Ami about Keiko — let alone ask Ami about Keiko or (lords forbid) talk to Keiko.
To be more serious: sure, remove it. We'll be checking the entire meeting plan with him anyway; there's no particular need to ask him about that topic in advance.
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Oh yeah we did, surely no longterm repercussions will come from that. Surely
Though you know in eastern movies/medeival anime there's always some sealed evil in every other village? Suddenly that makes a lot more sense. Think about how trippy it would be if a few decades from now some villagers build a shrine around the sealed blade horror portal, specifically telling people not to touch it because evil spirits are sealed within, only for some moron to do exactly that. It could be its own side story.
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What do you do if Keiko says no, you can't talk to Ami?
This reads like you want Hazō to go into the Cookbook and name-drop Ami, then have Chōji go around to various other restaurants and ask about their history. Yes?
What if Keiko says no to you meeting Ami?
That's a lot of words on the shopping trip, and it's awfully telegraphic. Might be good to simplify and clarify.
Are you paying for Ino on the shopping trip?
I'll leave voting open until at least noon tomorrow. That will hopefully give the plan authors the chance to respond to the above comments.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I believe Keiko herself established that she has no right to prevent Hazou meeting Ami? are you referring to the question as to whether we may ask after Keiko herself?
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That is indeed what it's supposed to read. Having lunch at the Cookbook to test name-dropping Ami wont't take up much of our time, and while we could do the rest ourselves we feel it's likely Choji will be happy to get a free meal tour of Mist.
Then things get a bit awkward. I imagine we'd relay Keiko's stance on the meeting to Jiraiya and ask him to take that into consideration, and then if Jiraiya decides that it's important to go ahead anyways we tell that to Keiko.
I can probably go make that more clear in the plan, if I find a few words to compress.
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Wait, that part's about whether or not we have Keiko's permission to talk about Keiko with Ami. There's nothing about asking her for permission for the meeting itself--and if that's a mistake, and we're indeed asking for permission to meet at all, then I'm removing my vote.
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Indeed we aren't asking permission to talk to Ami. Which means it would be odd for Keiko to outright refuse and say we can't (rather than just say she doesn't like it), but if she does then it only seems prudent to relay that to Jiraiya. At the end of the day Keiko has no veto power, not over something like this, but even if her feelings aren't important enough to change the outcome we can still afford to take them into account.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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The fact that eaglejarl brings it up means we should probably consider our response a bit more exactly, though.
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How about this?
It's a 13 word increase, but if it's acceptable I'll find a way to put it in.
I made asking permission to talk to Ami about her mutually exclusive with the response to Keiko trying to forbid a second meeting because I figure it'd be pretty insensitive to shut down her refusal and then start asking if she's okay with her as a topic and we could probably guess the answer anyways.
It's a 13 word increase, but if it's acceptable I'll find a way to put it in.
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I just don't really see the value of asking now? I mean, if she says no and Jiraiya overrules her, that makes her feel worse; if she says yes, then it's decently likely she'll feel she had to say yes (to seem reasonable, etc), and she won't like that either. The only situation where she likely feels happier about it is if she says no and Jiraiya isn't up for a second meeting, which doesn't seem very likely (and not meeting her is probably a bad thing).
What's the actual aim of this? Because doing it entirely as a signalling gesture ("look, I asked this time!") would seriously annoy me, if I were in her shoes.
Edit: To be clear, what's the value of asking whether she's okay with us talking to Ami again, specifically. Asking whether she's okay with us talking about her when we meet Ami again is separate and much more valid, IMO.
What's the actual aim of this? Because doing it entirely as a signalling gesture ("look, I asked this time!") would seriously annoy me, if I were in her shoes.
Edit: To be clear, what's the value of asking whether she's okay with us talking to Ami again, specifically. Asking whether she's okay with us talking about her when we meet Ami again is separate and much more valid, IMO.
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Less about the response, more about the fact that I clearly didn't understand what it was you were asking her.
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[X] Action Plan: Reasonable Handling of New Information.
We don't actually need to ask for permission, but informing Kei in advance that the meeting will happen seems polite. And I would very much prefer it states this way in the plan. Besides, it could be chopped down to "Inform Kei about the meeting"
We don't actually need to ask for permission, but informing Kei in advance that the meeting will happen seems polite. And I would very much prefer it states this way in the plan. Besides, it could be chopped down to "Inform Kei about the meeting"
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Complicated social plans are our collective bane
Emstar
The Shining One
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Will trim it a bit more after consideration and the acquiescence of nutrients. Mmmmm, bacon....
Will trim it a bit more after consideration and the acquiescence of nutrients. Mmmmm, bacon....
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