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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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NuclearConsensus said:
Looking at the massive flex we're developing over the Colleges, one thing comes to mind: Mathilde had better prepare to get daemon checked again, possibly eight simultaneous times. Might be a good idea to throw in an action to control her shadow, on account of it sufferring terribly the last time Mathilde got a ball of Hysh thrown at her.
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We are so going to end up with a record for that, aren't we?

"How many times have you been daemon checked?"

"Altogether, or just the inciting incidents?"
 
NuclearConsensus said:
Looking at the massive flex we're developing over the Colleges, one thing comes to mind: Mathilde had better prepare to get daemon checked again, possibly eight simultaneous times. Might be a good idea to throw in an action to control her shadow, on account of it sufferring terribly the last time Mathilde got a ball of Hysh thrown at her.
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This is why I like your idea of "finish the book on the same turn we do the Orbs of Sorcery," so much, because the last time we did something impressive that resulted in us getting daemonchecked, we followed it up with the flex of dropping Queekish on Algard's desk in retaliation. This would be an echo of that in all the right ways.
 
CornyBones said:
I do wonder when Mathilde's reputation will go from, "a Magister of the Grey College" to "The Genius Grey Wizard who pulls new wonders out of her very big hat every couple years."
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…I think it already did, man.
picklepikkl said:
This is why I like your idea of "finish the book on the same turn we do the Orbs of Sorcery," so much, because the last time we did something impressive that resulted in us getting daemonchecked, we followed it up with the flex of dropping Queekish on Algard's desk in retaliation. This would be an echo of that in all the right ways.
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Oh, look, another kind of best kind of good news!

At least this time we have the excuse that it took us almost two decades to get to this point—and most of that was us being lazy—so it's definitely not some unnatural insight from nowhere or anything.
 
CornyBones said:
I do wonder when Mathilde's reputation will go from, "a Magister of the Grey College" to "The Genius Grey Wizard who pulls new wonders out of her very big hat every couple years."
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Before we get too high on our own supply, let us remind ourselves that the other LMs among the Greys are all astonishingly impressive and accomplished folks in their respective fields too and we're just that one who mostly does things that aren't classified to hell and gone.

(Mostly. Squeak.)
Ericwinter said:
Oh, look, another kind of best kind of good news!
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"I bring you the best kind of good news."
"Okay, well, the first time you said that I offered 'skaven civil war' and 'death of Malekith' as joking options, and the second time you said that it turned out one had happened, so does that mean Mal-"
"Nope! But, bear with me here: yo Algard, I heard you like powerstones, so I put powerstone in your powerstones so you can power devastating battlefield weaponry while you daemoncheck me."
"what"
 
picklepikkl said:
"I bring you the best kind of good news."
"Okay, well, the first time you said that I offered 'skaven civil war' and 'death of Malekith' as joking options, and the second time you said that it turned out one had happened, so does that mean Mal-"
"Nope! But, bear with me here: yo Algard, I heard you like powerstones, so I put powerstone in your powerstones so you can power devastating battlefield weaponry while you daemoncheck me."
"what"
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I imagine the first use the Hysh Orb of Sorcery is getting after that is being chucked at Mathilde for daemon checking purposes.
 
picklepikkl said:
Before we get too high on our own supply, let us remind ourselves that the other LMs among the Greys are all astonishingly impressive and accomplished folks in their respective fields too and we're just that one who mostly does things that aren't classified to hell and gone.

(Mostly. Squeak.)
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Both our Great Deeds are classified to hell and gone. The other one was the College of Necromancy.
 
CornyBones said:
I do wonder when Mathilde's reputation will go from, "a Magister of the Grey College" to "The Genius Grey Wizard who pulls new wonders out of her very big hat every couple years."
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Honestly the GC probably encourages that perspective. One Lady Magister being out and public with all these crazy feats is excellent for helping people forget that the rest of them get a lot of use out of not being seen doing something.
 
NuclearConsensus said:
I imagine the first use the Hysh Orb of Sorcery is getting after that is being chucked at Mathilde for daemon checking purposes.
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…we should totally start off by tossing that one at him. Not as our own kind of daemon-checking, mind, just a low pass as a casual flex on that front.

"Yes, we can pick up the uber-stone made of pure Hysh. Just in case you were wondering."
 
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Ericwinter said:
That sounds neat. I don't really know famous Patriarchs though. Anybody else have more ideas for the rest?
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Mopman43 said:
Running list of Atriarchs + Gems for me to add to

Volan's Pearl
Haberma's Goldstone
Kadon's Amber
Olorin's Moonstone
Von Tarnus' Ruby
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A reminder that I do have some older Supreme Patriarchs/Magister Patriarchs available in my Rolodex:
Codex said:
Ptolos: Former Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic at some point. Likely the "Archmage Ptolos" mentioned in the Army Books who possesed the magic item known as the Grey Wand, and as a result is most likely from the Grey College. Diaries are available for College members to read, albeit heavily redacted. Barbitus mentions that from what he read he suspects Ptolos had Intuitive Windsight.
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Felip Iyrtu: 17th Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic and an Amethyst Wizard. Defeated by Alric.
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Celestial and Jade don't come immediately to mind unfortunately.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
On the one hand, it's a brand new battle magic spell. On the other hand, it's purely logistical. Back on the first hand, we've literally changed the shape of a military conflict with it.

Honestly, I have no idea what it's worth.
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DEpends on how well it's codified I imagine. Although I weirdly think it being Battle Magic moght count against it, or be neutral because it means less people can cast it.

Jyn Ryvia said:
high rep does have some disadvantages (depending on point of view).

if we keep on breaking the college's views on magic, people might keep hinting at taking over the grey collage as Matriarch.

or even asking us if we will be taking a shot at the dragon man anytime soon.

or any of the other pressures of the powerful; even the lady of Nuln couldn't say no to the begging forever when she really was the best person for the job.
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Deathbybunnies said:
I think Elspeth stepped in due to a lack of other candidates she could trust to run the College.
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Elspeth was probably also the least busy of the Amethyst LMs. She was apparently doing mysterious wizard things in her tower, rather than holding an internal position that would need to be filled or embarked on some important project.

NuclearConsensus said:
I imagine the first use the Hysh Orb of Sorcery is getting after that is being chucked at Mathilde for daemon checking purposes.
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Ericwinter said:
…we should totally start off by tossing that one at him. Not as our own kind of daemon-checking, mind, just a low pass as a casual flex on that front.

"Yes, we can pick up the uber-stone made of pure Hysh. Just in case you were wondering."
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The daemon checking was a spell, not just a Hysh powerstone, so I'm not sure they would be able to use the Orb for that.
 
Actually, I do wonder how we would deliver them. Orbs are definitely something to take in person, and probably straight to the Patriarchs, but would we give them all to Algard and let him disseminate them, or find some way to get all the Patriarchs together? Or maybe just deliver them to Dragomas, as the Supreme Patriarch. We can apparently just walk in and get private meetings with him just fine.

Doing it individually sounds like something that would take a lot of time to hunt each person down and hand them over, and also kind of weaken the whole "full set of eight" flex.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I think an Orb might be worth more than six powerstones in favour simply because of the "we had no idea this was possible" factor. We're not just making an Orb, we're developing a new branch of magic.
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Once we find a way to see what's going on, then the papers and books on the String-Theory Magitech tree covering Winds: Origin, Length, Formation and Weaving Extended Bundles of Ectomorphic Rope and Merging Aethyric Threads Handily Into Longer Durable Extrusions should be a productive source of favour.
 
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Ericwinter said:
Actually, I do wonder how we would deliver them. Orbs are definitely something to take in person, and probably straight to the Patriarchs, but would we give them all to Algard and let him disseminate them, or find some way to get all the Patriarchs together? Or maybe just deliver them to Dragomas, as the Supreme Patriarch. We can apparently just walk in and get private meetings with him just fine.

Doing it individually sounds like something that would take a lot of time to hunt each person down and hand them over, and also kind of weaken the whole "full set of eight" flex.
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Could wait until the next SP duel. They're all guaranteed to be there.
 
Nurgle said:
Do we know who Cython would recruit ? Just says someone Cython would trust. Which I think means the dawi or the the We. Dawi because he has gotten to know them for being reliable and the We because it is a thinking being that likes to learn and do what he says. Also the whole predator vibe. Actually anyone ask Boney who Cython is likely to higher?
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Your guess is as good as Mathilde's.

mathymancer said:
We are all aware that the We didn't ask to be librarians, yes? The newly split We currently plans to go off and be a hunter like it's always been, and quite probably doesn't quite understand what a library even is. We aren't debating whether or not we throw their CV in the trash because they are a nest of giant spiders, we are debating whether or not to convince this creature to abandon its traditional way of life in favour of working for us.
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The traditional way of life for the We is to hunt Skaven deep underground in complete ignorance of the existence of other sapient beings, face chronic and widespread health problems due to Warpstone cysts, and to either be constantly on the move or to be wiped out by Warpfire Thrower teams as soon as the hive grows large enough to be noticed by Skaven leadership. The We are growing into a new kind of existence where their hunting serves to protect their new Karak-We, their diet is supplemented by selling silk, their individual spiders live longer and so their memory becomes more reliable, their Hive is absolutely safe, and entire realms of new information are available through books. If they wanted their traditional way of life instead, they'd have walked away from the Karak years ago.

This We is not a culture, it is an individual. It can be argued that a culture as a whole should try to retain at least the positive aspects of its traditional way of life, but an individual is not obliged to be imprisoned by them.

myrix said:
@Boney, assuming Cython doesn't become librarian, would gifting copies of all books acquired by the library since its founding and until the Waystone project is concluded to their hoard be a valid enticement for them participating in the Waystone project?

Obviously at any time Cython could borrow any books in the library by asking nicely, but for a dragon there should be an ocean of difference between having been granted temporary sovereignty of the books and permanently adding them to the hoard, so it should be a valid incentive.

If it would be valid, could some or all of the costs of book copying for the hoard be payed by a stipends from the Empire and Karaz Ankor, because it would be directly beneficial to them for the Waystone project to work better and giving gold is easier than giving limited work time of Wizards and Runesmiths, in particular for Karaz Ankor, due to it having relatively more gold than dwarfs and due to Mathilde's dwarf reputation: yes?
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I don't think you fully grasp how monumentally expensive a bribe this would turn out to be. Both the Empire and the Karaz Ankor would balk at paying anything like that much to hire Caledor Dragontamer for the Project, let alone some random Dragon.

mathymancer said:
Hm, and then a question of Liber Mortis, am I right to understand that it's actually on loan from Mathilde to the library for bonus smugness points and not owned by the library per se, and would be excluded from such an agreement? E.g. if Mathilde would go for a multi-year expedition to Lustria or Cathay or somewhere else far away from K8P, she would take Liber Mortis with her and not leave it at the library, correct?
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The Liber Mortis does not officially exist in any way, so is not subject to any sort of joint ownership with the library.

DragonParadox said:
@Boney I know you mentioned that the last time someone tried to carve a rune into raw magic it was Alaric and the material was warpstone, but given that we have powerstones in the tower I would hope that the dwarfs acknowledge single wind powerstones as safer than the Evil Uranium. Assuming that is right does Mathilde think there is a runesmith out there radical enough to be willing to carve in raw Ulgu?

I ask because colaboration with Runesmiths was one of the stated goals of Web-mat and that would be a hell of a way to start it off.
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The radical path is a non-starter, but the opposite approach is a possibility: have someone start delving into the oldest Runesmith archives to see if there's any trace of that sort of thing attempted by Thungni or those taught by Him during the Golden Age, when they were partnered with the Elves and so would have had access to power stones. If there's even a hint of a suggestion of it having been done back then, then pursuing the research becomes rediscovery of lost lore and thus not at all radical.

Ericwinter said:
That kind of is Grey magic brawling though. Unless you think LM Grey wasn't also using sabotage and stealth? Like, she's got the same magic we've got. Unless she was walking around throwing Battle magic repeatedly—in which case how in the fuck has she not blown up—she was probably doing the same thing Mathilde does.
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High-level Grey brawling is waving your hands around and then a hundred people get sucked into a screaming rift, or every person and object in a straight line the length of a battlefield gets cleaved in two.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I don't actually think Alric has the authority—either personal or institutional—to tell two Lords Magister to abandon their current task (especially when that task has the approval of the Supreme Patriarch) and go do something else. That's the sort of thing that makes wizards resentful, and that's something the colleges try to avoid if possible. Now if they were magisters, or journeymen? Yeah, he might be able to do that, but not a Lord Magister.
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Yeah, Article 12 guarantees Magisters substantial freedom in who they work for, and the Articles outweigh a Magister Patriarch's orders. He'd have to do more than just give the order to pull Elrisse and Egrimm out if he didn't want it to turn into a complicated, ugly, and embarrassing mess.

12. Magisters are permitted to pursue agreements of employment with any persons or organisations: civil and religious, public and private, noble and mercantile, providing their employers are not enemies of Sigmar's Holy Empire or the people and that will not lead to the breaking of any of these Articles.

FallenPears said:
For the process of turning the stones to Orbs itself, I would like to propose the term Primordial Enrichment, both because it is fairly accurate and distinct, and it sounds suitably awesome and arcane.

As for the new Orbs themselves, whether a new name would be suitable or not would I imagine depend more on the context of naming the original, but if a new name is a valid path Primordially Enriched Power Stones is very literal and has a funny sounding acronym in PEPS, and could be shortened to Primordial Stones or Primordial Orbs for everyday use/impressing the muggles :p

Point is, Primordial is a great word!
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Primorbial.

Ericwinter said:
I remember that, I just can't remember if Boney later clarified that he made the narrative change because we got too much favor, or if the narrative events gave too much favor. Gah, I can't word this very well.

Basically, was Vlag/protector narratively enough to force the "Mathilde is a dwarf" issue and the IC consequences of that rendered the how and why of dwarf favor moot, or did Vlag/Protector mechanically give so much favor he had to throw the mechanical system out, and he came up with the narrative of "Mathilde is now a dwarf" to explain that?
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Both. I was considering the ramifications for both the Dwarven psyche and the favour economy and found that both had the same solution.
 
So it looks like we will not being doing a hoard of knowledge cohabitation with Cython. Since it will also cost so much the Karak Ankor and Empire would balk at bribing him. :(
 
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