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What does that have to do with subtly?
Reputation kinda requires you to be well known which, uh, means you weren't very subtle. If you're reaching that level at least.

Mind, all our Great Deed worthy stuff so far were all extremely classified. This… probably wouldn't be. Given the Orbs' public cultural value, everybody would probably know that we could make more.
 
On writing about our swordstyle, here are some Boneyposts regarding getting more Rune of the Unknown swords:
The straightforward solution to reproducing the Rune of the Unknown is to have Step 1 be "go commission a sword with Rune of the Unknown on it". It's not a superrune that only Kragg the Grimm is capable of, nor is it a masterwork that is the culmination of his career, it's an oddball Rune that he filed under 'useless' because Dwarves are deeply suspicious of not being able to point to exactly where your axe is at any given time, and if they really want to be able to call their weapon to their hand like Thor's hammer in the Marvelverse, the Master Rune of Flight exists, comes with extra perks, and doesn't come with an unwanted side of existential angst. He'd be able to be convinced to teach it to other Runelords if demand for it was greater than he was able or willing to meet.
The greatest living expert on Runes is also the one who would stand to gain the most if the Rune of the Unknown became popular. If he thinks there's no market to be found for it among Dwarves, then that probably isn't something that can be overcome with a sales brochure.
We could probably make any paper/book we write on our swordstyle kinda double as an advertisement on how to go about commissioning a Rune of the Unknown weapon?

We could probably also commission some ourselves to give to people we think could make good use of them.
 
Oh our Reputation will be sky-high, but I don't think Reputation actually has any hard mechanical effects, so that's probably fine?
high rep does have some disadvantages (depending on point of view).

if we keep on breaking the college's views on magic, people might keep hinting at taking over the grey collage as Matriarch.

or even asking us if we will be taking a shot at the dragon man anytime soon.

or any of the other pressures of the powerful; even the lady of Nuln couldn't say no to the begging forever when she really was the best person for the job.
 
high rep does have some disadvantages (depending on point of view).

if we keep on breaking the college's views on magic, people might keep hinting at taking over the grey collage as Matriarch.

or even asking us if we will be taking a shot at the dragon man anytime soon.

or any of the other pressures of the powerful; even the lady of Nuln couldn't say no to the begging forever when she really was the best person for the job.
The former is trivially handled by indicating that we aren't interested, and that we have full confidence in Algard's leadership. The latter is the same for Dragomas, with the added note that it's explicitly a position you get by winning duels, and our College Reputation isn't tied to martial deeds. We look like an extremely proficient magical researcher, not She Of The Biggest Magical Stick.

I think Elspeth stepped in due to a lack of other candidates she could trust to run the College.
 
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I think the Dwarven system ending was because our Favour was getting to a point where we would absolutely never spend it all. The Reputation number going that high isn't meaningfully different from our numberless incredible reputation we now narratively enjoy, is it?

I don't know that the Orbs will boost our Reputation that high, either. There's no reason it has to match 1:1 to our estimated Favour gains.
If I recall correctly, the dwarven system ending was because Mathilde had narratively reached the point where the Karaz Ankor was having trouble not acknowledging her as a dwarf in good standing—and her past actions thus being reflected in that light to make her a very important dwarf—and thus respected enough that most things favour would be spent on are expected. Also the mechanical bits, yeah, but narrative has a part to play.

As for it not matching 1:1, everything so far has. Boney changing that now probably would count as breaking the system.
or any of the other pressures of the powerful; even the lady of Nuln couldn't say no to the begging forever when she really was the best person for the job.
There was also a vacancy. Algard seems unlikely to leave the Grey chair any time soon.
or even asking us if we will be taking a shot at the dragon man anytime soon.
Bit late for that, :V

Also, trying to shove us at a Matriarchy would take us away from our current process of groundbreaking research and troubleshooting for foreign polities that made us so well loved in the first place.
 
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If I recall correctly, the dwarven system ending was because Mathilde had narratively reached the point where the Karaz Ankor was having trouble not acknowledging her as a dwarf in good standing—and her past actions thus being reflected in that light to make her a very important dwarf—and thus respected enough that most things favour would be spent on are expected. Also the mechanical bits, yeah, but narrative has a part to play.

As for it not matching 1:1, everything so far has. Boney changing that now probably would count as breaking the system.
That was the Watsonian explanation, the Doylist resson was just the economy getting broken.
 
high rep does have some disadvantages (depending on point of view).

if we keep on breaking the college's views on magic, people might keep hinting at taking over the grey collage as Matriarch.

or even asking us if we will be taking a shot at the dragon man anytime soon.

or any of the other pressures of the powerful; even the lady of Nuln couldn't say no to the begging forever when she really was the best person for the job.
I think it's enough that Mathilde could take either position (SM or MM) without strong resistance (there are a bunch of former SPs around, like Paranoth, who could step in if a candidate won by chance), but not to the point people demand it.

On the other hand, if the waystone project succeeds, I could see Dragomas (offer to) step aside, since his initial goal of better BM treatment is fullfilled, and the extra authority would be quite helpful for Mathilde in implementing the successes of the project. Because while powerstones are cool and impressive, they're not critical like the waystones, and the project also demonstrates connections and leadership abilities.
 
The former is trivially handled by indicating that we aren't interested, and that we have full confidence in Algard's leadership. The latter is the same for Dragomas, with the added note that it's explicitly a position you get by winning duels, and our College Reputation isn't tied to martial deeds. We look like an extremely proficient magical researcher, not She Of The Biggest Magical Stick.

I think Elspeth stepped in due to a lack of other candidates she could trust to run the College.
that doesn't mean that people wont keep asking/guilting/pressuring/bribeing/'your are only hope'ing/etc etc mathy every few turns if she becomes 'the magical Leonardo da Miragliano'.

'we can say no' is not the same as 'they have to stop trying to get us to do it'.

that's just the other side of power and ability.
 
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If I recall correctly, the dwarven system ending was because Mathilde had narratively reached the point where the Karaz Ankor was having trouble not acknowledging her as a dwarf in good standing—and her past actions thus being reflected in that light to make her a very important dwarf—and thus respected enough that most things favour would be spent on are expected. Also the mechanical bits, yeah, but narrative has a part to play.

As for it not matching 1:1, everything so far has. Boney changing that now probably would count as breaking the system.

There was also a vacancy. Algard seems unlikely to leave the Grey chair any time soon.

Bit late for that, :V

Also, trying to shove us at a Matriarchy would take us away from our current process of groundbreaking research and troubleshooting for foreign polities that made us so well loved in the first place.
not really talking about now, but post 'made the orbes, fix the waystones, Commissioned the safe BM Rooms, Desocired AV etc etc' Mathy is going to be a very different Wizard in the eyes of the institution.
 
Didn't we get a giant pile of offers after the Dum expedition? I imagine the post-Waystone Project vote to be something like that, with a new pile of offers we get to pick and choose from. And then once we commit to something we can always have the excuse of "I'm busy". We always have more actions than AP anyway.
 
that doesn't mean that people wont keep asking/guilting/pressuring/bribeing/'your are only hope'ing/etc etc mathy every few turns if she becomes 'the magical Leonardo da Miragliano'.

'we can say no' is not the same as 'they have to stop trying to get us to do it'.

that's just the other side of power and ability.
I really don't see massive respect for our magical research translating to people suddenly thinking we'd be a great leader, and much better than the apparently already pretty great leaders they already have. I think Usain Bolt is an extremely impressive runner, but I wouldn't vote for him to run my country even if he started running up buildings.
 
That was the Watsonian explanation, the Doylist resson was just the economy getting broken.
I guess? Can't really remember what Boney said about it at the time perfectly. Either way, I don't see a major difference between the dwarf system and the college system that would preclude the latter from the former's fate. Really big numbers still makes it hard for either one to have a reasonable weight.

And while just making it a Great Deed or something would sidestep the issue, it feels weird when this is a very particular thing to the Colleges, it just the Empire as a whole.
 
Unrelated to the current discussions: I wonder if a big enough Powerstone could be used to kickstart an Arcane Fulcrum? They look different, but the main difference in effect is one of scale, I think?
 
Is there a reason that we have to make the stone head sized? There are sizes in between the size of your first and the size of your head.

We could say use 4 gallons of AV if we wanted to make a big power stones for a staff without it being unweldly.
The Colleges know what to do with standard-size Powerstones, and the Colleges know what to do with Orbs of Sorcery, but everything else is entirely new territory that Mathilde would have to spend the AP to explore.

I guess? Can't really remember what Boney said about it at the time perfectly.
The update declaring Mathilde a Dwarf said in the author's note something like "Congratulations, you broke the Dwarf favor system".
 
The update declaring Mathilde a Dwarf said in the author's note something like "Congratulations, you broke the Dwarf favor system".
I remember that, I just can't remember if Boney later clarified that he made the narrative change because we got too much favor, or if the narrative events gave too much favor. Gah, I can't word this very well.

Basically, was Vlag/protector narratively enough to force the "Mathilde is a dwarf" issue and the IC consequences of that rendered the how and why of dwarf favor moot, or did Vlag/Protector mechanically give so much favor he had to throw the mechanical system out, and he came up with the narrative of "Mathilde is now a dwarf" to explain that?
 
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By the way, what are the thread's thoughts on trying to extract more Queekish from Qrech?

Did we stop because we wanted to take a break from it, or because we were afraid of pushing our luck, or because we couldn't come up with more plausible gambits to get what he hasn't given yet?
 
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By the way, what are the thread's thoughts on trying to extract more Queekish from Qretch?

Did we stop because we wanted to take a break from it, or because we were afraid of pushing our luck, or because we couldn't come up with more plausible gambits to get what he hasn't given yet?
We have all normal Queekish. We stopped because Qrech doesn't know High Queekish as that's restricted to the skaven's wizards.
 
By the way, what are the thread's thoughts on trying to extract more Queekish from Qrech?

Did we stop because we wanted to take a break from it, or because we were afraid of pushing our luck, or because we couldn't come up with more plausible gambits to get what he hasn't given yet?
I don't see a reason to push it.

I don't see a string to pull to get him to teach High Queekish or the Moulder dialect, and I also don't think it'd necessarily be all that useful.

The only place High Queekish is spoken generally is Skavenblight itself, and the Moulder dialect would only be useful in pure Moulder settings, that is, Hellpit.

Low Queekish is already the most useful by far.

He's doing good for the nations of the world just by keeping busy with his scholarship, and if we push it we might have to kill him, which would make his dog sad.
 
By the way, what are the thread's thoughts on trying to extract more Queekish from Qretch?

Did we stop because we wanted to take a break from it, or because we were afraid of pushing our luck, or because we couldn't come up with more plausible gambits to get what he hasn't given yet?

Basically it was we didn't want to push our luck. Since he claimed it would be either blasphemy or treason and the benefits were pretty marginal.

If anyone else really needs those variants they've got an excellent base to springboard off of at this point.
 
Basically it was we didn't want to push our luck. Since he claimed it would be either blasphemy or treason and the benefits were pretty marginal.

If anyone else really needs those variants they've got an excellent base to springboard off of at this point.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the other Greys have already started on sorting out what they can of other dialects without scenting.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the other Greys have already started on sorting out what they can of other dialects without scenting.
Oh yeah, that's the other part- Low Queekish is the variant that had all the parts humans can't do stripped out.

Be hard to learn to do the scenting and tail/whisker movements for the others.
 
Queekish does remind me that the Orbs funnily enough aren't the only "impossible" thing Mathilde has given the Colleges. No wonder she was so unphased by the possibility.
 
  • Algard's Amber. Yes, wizard and stone don't match. Because Mathilde only has one A, it was always going to be a problem. Pairing Algard with the stone of a completly different order, who's boss is also on the list, is funny. It's also a distraction from the actual acronym, because people will be dissecting that choice.
If you want a grey stone, you could go with Algard's Agate. It's not always grey, but it often has some grey to it - and Ulgu's stone name being something multicoloured kind of fits with its prevalence for illusions.
 
Looking at the massive flex we're developing over the Colleges, one thing comes to mind: Mathilde had better prepare to get daemon checked again, possibly eight simultaneous times. Might be a good idea to throw in an action to control her shadow, on account of it sufferring terribly the last time Mathilde got a ball of Hysh thrown at her.
 
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