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We have enough CF to afford this and the book translations both, so that could be something we could do.
No, because we need 1 CF to pay for the Hochlander.

The book translations are not time-sensitive in the same way that prep for the Elfternship is; I think we should defer them until after we get the influx of CF from the book on Aethyric Vitae and the whatever-we-get from the Orbs.
 
The issue with that is that the cult of Shallya mostly uses in cult secret… well, secrets in their healing.

If you really want to do something, it would be donating them to the medical schools.
Tho that falls under the problem of 'how much magic is involved in Enoir medicine.'

One of the reasons that the elf quake was so used by humans is that he didn't use magic in his studies. (Even if he was horribly wrong).
The Cult of Shallya doesn't include medical knowledge in their cult secrets. That's antithetical to their creed.

The medical schools are more likely to hoard them for the sake of prestige. Eonir medicine would be largely mundane, because most elves are not wizards. They have herbalists, physicians, and apothecaries just like humans do.
 
No, because we need 1 CF to pay for the Hochlander.

The book translations are not time-sensitive in the same way that prep for the Elfternship is; I think we should defer them until after we get the influx of CF from the book on Aethyric Vitae and the whatever-we-get from the Orbs.
@Boney in the spirit of searching for loose change behind couch cushions, is there any incoming CF from dropping off the recruit or telling the Grey College about our recent acquisitions?
 
I love this so dearly. It's very clear that the Undumgi see wizards as something positive, reputable, and foremost profitable. A reputation that the wizards of K8P have been working at for a decade. I have nothing but joy for this, and I do hope the kid will follow the example of reaching out to communities around him.

Edit: Just realized that there are few priests (aside from the Ulrikian heresy) and even fewer witch hunters around. Might be that.
It's not quite as crazy as it might seem. Altdorf seems to view Wizards as a kind of "don't mess with them, but they're around a lot" phenomenon where their frequent and uneventful appearances around the city make Wizards seem normal rather than inherently terrifying.

At K8P, people are used to seeing wizards come and go, perform helpful tasks that aren't scary (Panoramia helping to work the fields, Mathilde talking with dwarves about stuff, Johann sparring with fisticuffs), and even when magic is involved, it's benign (Mathilde riding around the Karak on her Shadowsteed, Panoramia doing magic in the fields, Hubert flying through the air, the wizards shooting targets at a range with precision spells). Hell, they all live in the shadow of a giant wizard tower, and yet the only thing that wizard tower has done is make a terrifying Waaagh all die.

So they're used to magic a bit. But they're also used to Wizards being people who help out with real, scary problems and help make those problems go away. K8P is a small community compared to the entire Empire, so rather than Wizards being something you associate with evil magic from religious sermons that you probably haven't seen any good examples of, with a Wizard showing up being a rare occurrence, Wizards are a part of your community and they do harmless examples of magic that you can go and see often.

And if the dwarves trust the wizards a lot, then it's hard to feel like you shouldn't trust them yourself. And it's hard to overemphasize how ingrained the wizards of K8P are part of the K8P community. Hubert is a beloved friend of and ambassador to the Winter Wolves. Panoramia is adored by and works alongside the halflings. Max is a blacksmith who studies under the dwarves and has built a lot of good relationships with them. Johann plays with his rat pups and with the children and Wolf. Mathilde frequently spends time with the dwarves and humans alike, with a sterling reputation among them all for tackling their weirdest problems. Adela is an important part of the Gunnery School branch. Gretel owns(ish) a tower of the Citadel and runs a closely-allied polity between K8P and Barak Varr. They're your wizards, part of your community.
 
@Boney there's an errant hyphen here:
- The Sea of Claws +4 - Extensive Asur / Extensive Eonir

[ ] [COLLEGE] Translate Eonir Anatomy and Medicine books and donate them to the Cult of Shallya (6 CF)

This'll leave us with 5 CF afterwards. With how important one elf dude's books were for Old World medicine, I think this would be important. It would certainly save many lives over the years. It would also be a great first impression with the Cult of Shallya.
So, potentially hot take, but...maybe we let scholars make the trip to the library and make whatever translations they want themselves? We've already sent a letter to the Grey College asking to let whoever has the clearance for it know about the new books in our library, it might be better for our library if scholars actually had to make the trip to it for the books.
Library-wise, I'm kind of indifferent? Maybe @mathymancer or @Parabola have some good ideas, but right now I'm either thinking "some more stuff about Nehekhara" or "filling out the four Winds that we don't have Esoteric Collegiate books about."
I will reiterate my desire for books on Liminal Pathways mostly because that seems like a really cool topic that is tangentially related to our interests, and I'm with you regarding Nehekhara books. Actually, in a very roundabout way books on Nehekhara might have gotten slightly more relevant: our new Old Ones writings make the study of ancient languages more appealing, which makes learning High Nehekharan more appealing, which makes studying the Nehekharan network more appealing.
 
"It's possible," you say cautiously as you try to decipher his tone. It takes you a moment not because it's especially cryptic, but because you're not used to the idea of a father being excited to learn that his son might one day be a Wizard. You adjust the planned arc of this conversation. "If he goes to the Colleges, his level of ability would be measured and he'll be given the level of training appropriate for his capabilities, as long as he's willing to learn. From what you've told me, it sounds like he could have a strong affinity for the Wind of Metal, that we call Chamon. If that is the case, he could one day become a Gold Wizard, like Johann and Maximillian."

"That's great news," he says with complete sincerity, and you very deliberately prevent yourself from lingering on how rare that reaction is, and how much more welcome it might have been for some than what they actually got. When you were one Apprentice among many, you'd heard many of the stories of your fellows awakening to their magical ability, and the reactions of their families. Some had stories that rivalled your own for traumatic experiences, but the most common version was of a family reacting with muted despair, as if being told that their child was crippled or dying. The only positive receptions you've heard of previously was among magical families like Panoramia's, or among those who had grown up in orphanages or on the streets.

Okay, maybe you weren't fully successful in keeping yourself from lingering on it.

It seems the culture of the Undumgi is shaping to have a positive view of magic, in no small part thanks to Mathilde i am sure.

Its both amusing and sad how Mathilde dosen't seem to recognize the positive influence she had on this people and their new view of magic.

This is one of those times the cynism she developed trough the years makes her life difficult. Stopping her from seeing the great acomplisment she achieved in helping creating the Undumgi community and what they rapresent for the future.

While your library's security, having been constructed by Dwarven architects and residing within a Dwarven Karak, was judged as good enough for most purposes, there was one part of the Library of Mournings that requires a greater dedication to security, including a failsafe to destroy the contents should the vault that will contain them be forcibly breached. The scrolls in question are the largest you've ever seen, and covered with carefully-copied diagrams and notes in a language that seems entirely alien, even after you catch a glimpse of both Eltharin and Khazalid in its patterns. You get the impression that mere ink and vellum should be entirely incapable of containing the message within, and that it condescends to be contained in a merely mortal medium as an act of generous benevolence. It is beyond the peoples of the current era to even measure how many steps they are removed from the original lessons of the Old Ones, those that joined forces with the Dragons to shape this world and held back the onslaught of Chaos for long enough for life as you know it today to grow strong enough to take up the fight themselves.

This is very very interesting, when we can we should absolutely have Mathilde learn how to read this texts and study them.
 
Yeah, Wizards have gone from 'scary figures seen in the distance' to a bunch of admittedly often weird people who are very handy to have around.

It's like how iirc bright wizards are a lot more accepted amongst soldiers than they are amongst most people
 
Understanding Arachnid Directions
That was adorable and I love that we gave the soon to be apprentice a reason to come back: the library here is great if he's going to really push his theory.

This is also the We writing about the We, their contributions are categorized under Dwarven because the only known We are citizens of the Karaz Ankor.

"...and as We come to be increasingly aware of the myriad not-We of the four-legged not-food, the differences in perspective become increasingly apparent in a way that We, being the only eight-legged not-food in the known reaches who may echo the four-legs, are best placed to identify and analyze, perhaps even speculate upon.

"Take for example the simple matter of directions. To those with two eyes and two grasping legs, the division into before the eyes and hidden from the eyes is simple and intuitive. The two grasping limbs perpendicular to this distinction serve to then separate the directions into four: front, back, left, and right. The wood-echoes of the not-food routes even pretend as though they are a four-legged not-food, such that the directions remain the same but are given different names that they be known as the facings of a wood-echoes. For those more detailed wood echoes, half-way between two directions are also noted, and gradations of increasingly fine divisions of two as needed.

"The simplistic determination of primary direction by where it's eyes point is characteristic of species that is self-contained within one body and therefore need only reference itself when orienting. Furthermore, the implicit assumption of navigation on a flat surface indicates a species that has grown on the surface, where differences in the vertical may be resolved largely through horizontal perambulation.

"We, therefore, naturally have a more complex and comprehensive vocabulary of orientation. As many-We may be looking in many directions, there is no subjective reference point that equals the 'eyes forwards' of a four-legged not-food. Instead, We rely on the only universal direction constant across all We: down. Past this, the implicit assumption is that all bodies are looking at each other, and all are oriented perpendicular to down, but directions are given from the current body echoing to the listener, as listeners may be many or few. This has caused confusion among the bearded four-legged not-food, as their 'forward' is not directly 'behind' the listener as ours is, but rather in the shared direction of facing.

"In naming, We rely on our biology in a similar manner to four-legs, although eight legs allows for a more refined base eight instead of base four. 'Forward' thus becomes 'grasping-arms-clasped-fully extended'.

"Let us (Us! Such a wonderfully short word for all-We in transient many-food) examine this more closely. Each leg of a We is named, and is used to indicate the direction in which it is most prominent. The half-point between two legs is indicated by the modifier 'clasping' or 'touching', another minor difference, as the 'primary' directions are offset by 12.5⁰ from those used by the four-legs. Furthermore, the degree of extension naturally provides a vertical component, with fully extended being horizontal and fully curled pointing down.

"A dwarf facing the same direction as a We (on the 'right' side) and telling us that something is ahead, a bit to the right, and up thirty degrees would therefore be understood by the We to mean seventh-leg one-third anti-curled, but would be phrased as third-leg one-third anti-curled were the dwarf to be giving the directions in the manner of the We...

Understanding Arachnid Directions, as dictated to Bron Dustylocs by We hunter Silverchip.
 
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I will reiterate my desire for books on Liminal Pathways mostly because that seems like a really cool topic that is tangentially related to our interests, and I'm with you regarding Nehekhara books. Actually, in a very roundabout way books on Nehekhara might have gotten slightly more relevant: our new Old Ones writings make the study of ancient languages more appealing, which makes learning High Nehekharan more appealing, which makes studying the Nehekharan network more appealing.
Maybe something like this?
[ ] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations

That gives us a lot of background in Nehekharan Magic Stuff, which might be useful for an eventual investigation of their Network. Also, Nehekharan Pantheon might let us sneak in a glance at the former identity of Morghur and a potential guise of Ranald (OUR BOYYYYYYYYYY). But if there's another magical topic that seems useful, we can easily fit that in.
 
@Boney in the spirit of searching for loose change behind couch cushions, is there any incoming CF from dropping off the recruit or telling the Grey College about our recent acquisitions?

No, the drop-off is the by-the-Articles legal duty of any WIzard rather than an extracurricular, and the telling the Grey College thing is to set up various parties who might react to the resource suddenly being available.

@Boney there's an errant hyphen here:

That's deliberate, because the Sea of Claws is a part of the Great Ocean.

It seems the culture of the Undumgi is shaping to have a positive view of magic, in no small part thanks to Mathilde i am sure.

Its both amusing and sad how Mathilde dosen't seem to recognize the positive influence she had on this people and their new view of magic.

This is one of those times the cynism she developed trough the years makes her life difficult. Stopping her from seeing the great acomplisment she achieved in helping creating the Undumgi community and what they rapresent for the future.

Cynicism is a part of it, but there's also past trauma playing a factor. It's not something that actually gets in the way of her life or goals so she's left all that still packed up and tucked away instead of processing it, but that does mean she has some inbuilt assumptions that it takes her a moment to consciously sidestep in circumstances like this one.
 
I thought it was a pretty good update. Mathilde's shock at the family's support was well written. The library was interesting to read about.

The 8th edition High Elf book states that first contact between Ulthuan and Cathay was substantially after the Eonir split off.
That's how I read that entry initially, but Alratan's comment pointed out that it could be just establishing trade relations and diplomacy. Regardless, waystone gold is implied to have come from Cathay by way of the Gates of Calith. Boney must have decided that contact happened earlier than the army books suggest. Trade might have occurred between the two during the Golden Age, but it was broken off during the Sundering. Only for Aethis to re-established it VIII, 200.

I think 4th edition stated that contact was made between Cathay and Ulthuan during Aethis's reign. I can't remember if later editions also used that phrasing.
 
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They're your wizards, part of your community.
This is all true, but I'm rather curious to see how well the attitude will weather the first major public miscast. Mathilde had her daemon run in, but that was confined to her lab. If Hubert goes for a fly some day and explodes into a lightning storm in the middle of a group of winter wolves or some new journeymanling gets overconfident and bursts into daemons in the middle of town, it could be rough.
 
As for Mathilde personally, I'd love to see her learn both Anoqueyan and Arcane Khazalid, and then with that backing make an attempt at the Old One writings to see what she can glean. It would make for a nice research project to gnaw at, now that the Morbs are winding down.

I agree, this is the type of esoteric knowledge that could be very very useful for advanced projects later.

And also, it will simply be very cool to learn abaout it.
 
I honestly love seeing Mathilde getting to see the knock-on positive effects of her actions. Instead of the kid's family thinking that he's cursed or worse, he's basically considered as being actually gifted and with incredible potential, and his family is proud of that fact. Thanks to Mathilde, Panpan, Johann and all the other wizards on K8P and even the War Wizards in Sylvania the local view of magic users has changed substantially from the norm. Of course it also means that the kids coming from these areas aren't going to be prepared for how the rest of the Empire treats mages.
 
My favorite part of the update was "Wizard levels of money." Especially when talking to a Grey Wizard who almost certainly was the one who set that standard. :V
 
Don't think so, Gelt reportedly is from the border princes or around there while this boy was born in Stirland and moved down here due to the success of the expedition. There'd be no impetus for the father to head this far south as a soldier in Stirland's army and subsequently migrate his entire family over miles of dangerous territory just to resettle in the border princes.
On the other hand, if Balthazar Gelt in canon changed his name, his family might not be from the borderlands, but Gelt himself could have travelled anyways. Especially if no Karak Eight Peaks wizards means a more rocky relationship with the family.

It's what so fun about Gelt-posting. As long as the character traits fit then he could be anyone, even an established wizard or someone we know. It's entirely possible we only learn when someone starts using a pen name for research papers.
As for Mathilde personally, I'd love to see her learn both Anoqueyan and Arcane Khazalid, and then with that backing make an attempt at the Old One writings to see what she can glean. It would make for a nice research project to gnaw at, now that the Morbs are winding down.
High Nehekharan was also on that list of close-descendant Old One languages, wasn't it? And with the advantage of being a college class, IIRC.

If so, it feels like there's been a Nehekharan Research Adventure brewing to be embarked on at some point After Elfcation, between all the various things Nehekhara keeps getting tied to, and this would be an alternate use for one of the primary preparations.
 
Personally more interested in filling up the more mundane options with Imperial add on. No way social science is that baren.

Still gaming the info stuff is great fun bg stuff.
 
Perhaps I've just missed it, but has the book hoard library started seeing extensive academic pilgrimage (for lack of a better term) yet?

With the way Mathilde's been raiding libraries it seems like it'd have some exposure to the right circles, and even if it's a long journey it'd still be better than screwing around with multiple trips to different ones if you're looking for something specific.

Not sure how viable this would be, but if I ran an academic institution capable of exchanging mail with 8 peaks I'd be tempted to station a scribe and some interns in the city purely so I could send them letters with research requests and they send summaries/excerpts of relevant sources.
Yeah, I would think that Kron-Azril-Ungol would start attracting some significant attention and interest by now. It's got extensive coverage of a variety of topics from multiple species, including some pretty special niches and exotic works. Definitely a long way off from the sheer depth of coverage that some libraries in the Empire would have (like the Light College having copies of every College paper ever, for example), but easily a valuable academic resource for when you're looking for something you're not sure you'd be able to find in your usual academic hunting grounds.

And potentially useful for dwarves of Karak Azul trying to get a better handle on humans without diving head-first into the Empire. The human population of Karak Eight Peaks, plus a variety of books about various human cultures and history in the same place.

This is all true, but I'm rather curious to see how well the attitude will weather the first major public miscast. Mathilde had her daemon run in, but that was confined to her lab. If Hubert goes for a fly some day and explodes into a lightning storm in the middle of a group of winter wolves or some new journeymanling gets overconfident and bursts into daemons in the middle of town, it could be rough.
The risk of major miscasts comes from learning a new spell for the first time and for doing battle magic in battlefield conditions. Those are the kinds of things you'd deliberately do away from any potential civilians/important locations that aren't built for the purpose.

So as long as no wizard is doing combat magic in a battlefield within K8P, that risk shouldn't come up.

Hubert in particular...the only spell he has left to learn that he's interested in learning is Wind Blast, if he hasn't already learned it.

Bursting into daemons is the kind of thing you'd need to have a really nasty miscast with some serious power for. Battle Magic at minimum. A nasty miscast for non-Battle Magic is more "summon an apparition" or "severe arcane mark" territory.
 
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I honestly love seeing Mathilde getting to see the knock-on positive effects of her actions. Instead of the kid's family thinking that he's cursed or worse, he's basically considered as being actually gifted and with incredible potential, and his family is proud of that fact. Thanks to Mathilde, Panpan, Johann and all the other wizards on K8P and even the War Wizards in Sylvania the local view of magic users has changed substantially from the norm. Of course it also means that the kids coming from these areas aren't going to be prepared for how the rest of the Empire treats mages.

This last bit makes me feel that it's more likely that they'll come back to K8Ps after experiencing how the Empire treats wizards, possibly after evangelising to their peers and encouraging them to come back with them.
 
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