Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

[Shador]

Guys we are vanishingly unlikely to ever roll high art or the like and thus need a bonus, so's everyone important enough to roll d100. Probably best to leave it alone, no sense giving @Boney more work that is not going to lead to anything actionable. I could kind of see the point for Flora with Pan, but I think those rolls are more likely to be Terraforming anyway.

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I don't think you quite understand what is it that voters want from this library. This is more a roleplay thing (more books! Accumulate knowledge! Let's make the greatest book collection!) than a mechanics thing (more bonuses! They may help us in future rolls!). Even if the later is a part of it.

Tl;Dr We don't want the library to have those "probably useless" books because we want bonuses for a potential future roll. We just want those books, period.

 

[Wiggy]

Oh god, I just had a possible brainwave- What if his name is Balthasar Gelt?

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The thread found that a plausible theory an hour ago lol.

 

[Andres]

@Boney since we did dedicated work on the subject I feel it's worth the ask, is Mycology part of Old World Forests or would it be its own thing?

For another subject, Norsca unless it's part of the Old World. It's close by, so might have Asur books on it. Marauder Tribes might do if the Eonir have been raided by Norscans over the years. Perhaps other Chaos enemies like Chaos Warriors if they decided to have a go at looting and destroying the elf place connected to the sea by river.

 

[Asheram]

There's also, well, it moves them up financially.

Think about it, the kid was going to be a professional solider. Not the most well paying of jobs, but now? He's a Wizard. Much less a Gold Wizard at that-

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Oh, definitely. Finding out that your child has a talent for an unique and valuable profession is a great boon. Not having to worry about your child future (especially among large families) must be a huge relief.

 

[Thomasfoolery]

I'm a bit surprised the Eonir have Asur: Skaven Warp Magic books, thought that would've been after the split.

The Stacks

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Mathilde thought she could beat the stacks, perhaps her greatest moment of hubris. Now finally caught up to her.

 

[Alratan]

Actually, thinking about the quasi-classical culture the Eonir have I'd expect Rhetoric to be a substantial subject of study, practice, and writing, with standard texts for students and formal schools and styles.

 

[friget234]

I don't think you quite understand what is it that voters want from this library. This is more a roleplay thing (more books! Accumulate knowledge! Let's make the greatest book collection!) than a mechanics thing (more bonuses! They may help us in future rolls!). Even if the later is a part of it.

Tl;Dr We don't want the library to have those "probably useless" books because we want bonuses for a potential future roll. We just want those books, period.

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I still can't believe that voters used this amazing transcendent boon from a wealthy dwarven polity on a library of all things. I get why with the overlap between 'people that love this quest', 'people who are in too deep on Warhammer Fantasy lore', and 'nerds who would actually like being part of something like that in real life', but when I got to that part of the read through I face palmed pretty hard regardless🤣

 

[Carcer]

-Boozemaking

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grat idea,alchool have a realy big parts in warhammer,having a category aside for it next to cooking and chemistry would be pretty fun.

 

[Mopman43]

They might not know much about modern day Cathay or Ind or Khuresh, but they could well have quite detailed records of visits from Asur merchants and tourists to their ports, so at least know things about their coasts' physical geography and ecology, even if their cultures and politics have moved on.

And in the case of Cathay, even the later two may not have changed all that much.

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The 8th edition High Elf book states that first contact between Ulthuan and Cathay was substantially after the Eonir split off.

 

[Andres]

Mathilde thought she could beat the stacks, perhaps her greatest moment of hubris. Now finally caught up to her.

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Fs in chat for the death of Order.

@Boney two more subjects. First is Skaven: they helped Mandred out by guiding his army, and maybe they did enough other stuff with skaven to write stuff down about them. Second is Necromancy because of the HeroQuest event, though I'm guessing that's in all likelihood a one off, not something common enough to write books about.

 

[Altom]

Here is the library as it was before and after I added the Ithilmar influx, as of the time of posting. The 'New Library' section will not contain additions and corrections made afterwards.

Spoiler: Old Library

Natural Science

Anatomy +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Astronomy +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Chemistry +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Geography +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Humorism +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Hydrology +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Logic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Mathematics +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Meteorology +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Mineralogy +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Physics +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Toxins +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven

Fauna
Arthropods +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Canines +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Dragons +9 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Rodents and Mustelids +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Skaven

Geography
Cathay +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Cathayan (T)
The Chaos Wastes +8 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
The Dark Lands +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
Dragon Isles +2 - Extensive Dwarven
The Great Steppes +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Mountains of Mourn +3 - Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
The Old World +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven


Social Science

Ethics +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Law +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Linguistics +17 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Literature +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Music +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Philosophy +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Rhetoric +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Theology +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Trade +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive Eonir

Civilized Realms
The Asrai of Athel Loren +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The City-States of Tilea +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Druchii of Naggaroth +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
The Empire of Man +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Eonir of Laurelorn +15 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
The Estalian Kingdoms +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Great Cities of Nehekhara +6 - Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Halflings of the Moot +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
The Karaz Ankor +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Kingdom of Bretonnia +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan +7 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Tzardom of Kislev +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The We +1 - Imperial

Enemies of Man
Beastmen +7 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Chaos Dwarves +9 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Skaven (Only Esoteric)
Daemons +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Greenskins +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Hobgoblin Khanates +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Marauder Tribes +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Ogre Kingdoms +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Skaven +13 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Skaven
Undead +14 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Obscure Vampiric
Vampires +11 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Obscure Vampiric


Applied Science

Agriculture +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Architecture +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Engineering +14 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Skaven (T)
Metallurgy +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Medicine +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Textiles +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir

War and Combat
Greatswords +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Tilean (T)
Logistics +1 - Skaven
Strategy +2 - Extensive Imperial
Tactics +3 - Extensive Imperial / Skaven


Magic

Teclisean Magic
Aethyr - The Warp +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Sevir - The Winds of Magic +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Qhaysh - High Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ghyran - Life Magic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Shyish - Death Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ghur - Beast Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Chamon - Metal Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Aqshy - Fire Magic +6 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Indic (T)
Azyr - Celestial Magic +5 -Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Hysh - Light Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Ulgu - Shadow Magic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

Advanced Magic
Divine Magic +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial
Elementalism +6 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Asur
Enchantment +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Familiars +2 - Extensive Imperial
Potions +5 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive Kislevite
Power Stones +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Rituals +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Rune Magic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Waystones and Henges +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven

Magical Phenomena
Apparitions +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Elementals +6 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Kislevite
Forest Spirits +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Liminal Realms +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Prophecy +6 - Extensive Imperial / Esoteric Vampiric

Dark Magic
Beastman Wild Magic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Chaos Sorcery +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Gut Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Necromancy +2 - Extensive Imperial
Skaven Warp Magic +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Waaagh Magic +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Warpstone +9 - Extensive Dwarven & Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Skaven


Divinity

Old World Pantheon
The Lady of the Lake +2 - Extensive Bretonnian
Manann, Lord of the Seas +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Morr, God of Death and Dreams +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial
Myrmidia, Goddess of Civilization and its Defence +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Ranald, God of Trickery and Thieves +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
Rhya, Earth Mother +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Shallya, the White Dove of Mercy +5 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
Sigmar Heldenhammer +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Taal, King of the Wild +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Ulric, God of Winter and Wolves +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Verena, Goddess of Wisdom and Justice +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Gods of the Halflings +1 - Imperial
Minor Gods of the Old World +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

The Gods of Kislev
The Ancient Widow +0
Ursun, the Great Bear +0
Tor, God of Thunder and Lightning +0
Dazh, God of Fire and Sun +2 - Extensive Kislevite
Salyak, Goddess of Healing and Comfort +0
Benign Spirits of Kislev +0

Dwarven Ancestor Gods
Grungni +3 - Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Valaya +3 - Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Grimnir +3 - Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Thungni +1 - Dwarven
Smednir +1 - Dwarven
Morgrim +1 - Dwarven
Gazul +1 - Dwarven

Cadai and Cytherai
Hoeth, Lord of Wisdom +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Hekarti, the Hydra Queen +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Khaine, the Bloody-Handed God +1 - Imperial
Loec, the Shadow Dancer +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Addaioth, Bringer of Wrath and Fire +2 - Asrai, Asur
Hukon, the Sunderer +2 - Obscure Asur

Nehekharan Cosmology
The Nehekharan Pantheon +0
The Mortuary Cult +0
Nehekharan Incantations +0
Nehekharan War-Statuary +0

Dark Gods
Great Maw +1 - Imperial
Hashut +3 - Extensive Imperial / Dwarven

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Natural Science

Anatomy +15 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Astronomy +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Asur
Chemistry +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Ecology +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Geography +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Humorism +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Hydrology +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Logic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Mathematics +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Meteorology +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Mineralogy +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Physics +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Toxins +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive Eonir

Fauna
Arthropods +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Birds of Prey +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Canines +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Dragons +9 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
Equines +3 - Extensive and Obscure Asur
Rodents and Mustelids +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Skaven

Geography
Cathay +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Cathayan (T)
The Chaos Wastes +8 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
The Dark Lands +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven
Dragon Isles +2 - Extensive Dwarven
The Great Steppes +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Mountains of Mourn +3 - Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
The Old World +11- Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Ulthuan +2 - Extensive Asur


Social Science

Ethics +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Law +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Linguistics +17 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Literature +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Asur
Music and Poetry +15 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Philosophy +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Rhetoric +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Theology +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Asur
Trade +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive Eonir

Civilized Realms
The Asrai of Athel Loren +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The City-States of Tilea +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Druchii of Naggaroth +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
The Empire of Man +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Eonir of Laurelorn +15 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
The Estalian Kingdoms +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Great Cities of Nehekhara +6 - Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Halflings of the Moot +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
The Karaz Ankor +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Kingdom of Bretonnia +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The Old Ones +3 - Extensive and Obscure Asur
The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan +10 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Obscure Asur
The Tzardom of Kislev +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven
The We +2 - Imperial / Dwarven

Enemies of Man
Beastmen +12 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Chaos Dwarves +9 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Skaven (Only Esoteric)
Daemons +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Greenskins +13 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Asur
Hobgoblin Khanates +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Marauder Tribes +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Ogre Kingdoms +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Skaven +13 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Skaven
Undead +14 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Obscure Vampiric
Vampires +11 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Obscure Vampiric


Applied Science

Agriculture +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Architecture +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Carpentry +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Engineering +14 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Skaven (T)
Forestry +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Metallurgy +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Medicine +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Textiles +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir

War and Combat
Archery - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Greatswords +12 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven / Tilean (T) / Extensive Asur
Logistics +3 - Extensive Asur / Skaven
Polearms +3 - Extensive and Obscure Asur
Strategy +5 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Swords +3 - Extensive and Obscure Asur
Tactics +8 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir / Skaven


Magic

Teclisean Magic
Aethyr - The Warp +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Asur
Sevir - The Winds of Magic +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Qhaysh - High Magic +3 - Extensive Imperial / Asur
Ghyran - Life Magic +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Shyish - Death Magic +5 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Ghur - Beast Magic +5 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Chamon - Metal Magic +5 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Aqshy - Fire Magic +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Indic (T) / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Azyr - Celestial Magic +8 -Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Hysh - Light Magic +5 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Ulgu - Shadow Magic +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur

Advanced Magic
Divine Magic +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial
Elementalism +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Enchantment +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Asur
Familiars +7 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
The Old Ones +3 - Extensive and Obscure Asur
Potions +10 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive Kislevite / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Power Stones +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Rituals +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Rune Magic +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Terraformation +2 - Extensive Eonir
Waystones and Henges +15 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven / Extensive and Esoteric Asur

Magical Phenomena
Apparitions +8 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Obscure Asur
Elementals +6 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Kislevite
Forest Spirits +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Liminal Realms +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Prophecy +6 - Extensive Imperial / Esoteric Vampiric

Dark Magic
Beastman Wild Magic +10 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Chaos Sorcery +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Gut Magic +2 - Extensive Imperial
Necromancy +2 - Extensive Imperial
Skaven Warp Magic +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven / Extensive Asur
Waaagh Magic +4 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Dwarven
Warpstone +9 - Extensive Dwarven & Imperial / Extensive and Esoteric Skaven


Divinity

Old World Pantheon
The Lady of the Lake +2 - Extensive Bretonnian
Manann, Lord of the Seas +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial
Morr, God of Death and Dreams +4 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial
Myrmidia, Goddess of Civilization and its Defence +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Ranald, God of Trickery and Thieves +7 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
Rhya, Earth Mother +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Shallya, the White Dove of Mercy +5 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian
Sigmar Heldenhammer +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Taal, King of the Wild +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Ulric, God of Winter and Wolves +6 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Eonir
Verena, Goddess of Wisdom and Justice +3 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial
Gods of the Halflings +1 - Imperial
Minor Gods of the Old World +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

The Gods of Kislev
The Ancient Widow +0
Ursun, the Great Bear +0
Tor, God of Thunder and Lightning +0
Dazh, God of Fire and Sun +2 - Extensive Kislevite
Salyak, Goddess of Healing and Comfort +0
Benign Spirits of Kislev +0

Dwarven Ancestor Gods
Grungni +3 - Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Valaya +3 - Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Grimnir +3 - Extensive and Obscure Dwarven
Thungni +1 - Dwarven
Smednir +1 - Dwarven
Morgrim +1 - Dwarven
Gazul +1 - Dwarven

Cadai
Asuryan, the Creator +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Eldrazor, Lord of Blades +2 - Extensive Asur
Hoeth, Lord of Wisdom +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Isha, the Mother +2 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Kurnous, Father of the Wilds +2 - Extensive Asur
Ladrielle, Lady of Mists +2 - Extensive Asur
Lileath, Maiden of Dreams +2 - Extensive Asur
Loec, the Shadow Dancer +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Vaul, the Maker +2 - Extensive Eonir

Cytherai
Anath Raema, the Savage Huntress +2 - Extensive Asur
Atharti, Lady of Desire +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Ereth Khial, the Pale Queen +2 - Extensive Asur
Hekarti, the Hydra Queen +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Khaine, the Bloody-Handed God +3 - Imperial / Extensive Asur
Nethu, Keeper of the Last Door +2 - Extensive Asur

Ellinill and the Ellinilli
Ellinill, Lord of Destruction +2 - Extensive Asur
Addaioth, Bringer of Wrath and Fire +2 - Asrai, Asur
Drakira, Queen of Vengeance +2 - Extensive Asur
Estreuth, Herald of Famine +2 - Extensive Asur
Hukon, the Sunderer +3 - Extensive and Obscure Asur
Mathlann, Lord of the Deeps +2 - Extensive Eonir

Nehekharan Cosmology
The Nehekharan Pantheon +0
The Mortuary Cult +0
Nehekharan Incantations +0
Nehekharan War-Statuary +0

Dark Gods
Great Maw +1 - Imperial
Hashut +3 - Extensive Imperial / Dwarven

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Look at my books, my books are amazing...

We got lucky in a shrine to Ranald, overseen by a priest of Ranald.
Thanks Ranald!

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Ranald: "You better be. Do you know how hard it was to not just push one of the table?"😾

Getting sent to live in a cave on the other end of the continent to be a glorified search engine *is* pretty on brand for an internship.

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In a cave full of spiders no less!

 

[Alratan]

The 8th edition High Elf book states that first contact between Ulthuan and Cathay was substantially after the Eonir split off.

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I don't believe it says that Aethis' expedition was the first contact. Just a meaningful one after which trade grew.

 

[Jyn Ryvia]

The Stacks - Storage of books that don't fit into the library's current categorization system. Contains writings on various Eonir sports and arts.

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Ok, hear me out:

The Stacks: on a failed research roll, Mathilde can make a Stacks roll to represent her diving into her piles of books that don't fit into her current system for the off chance of finding useful information to the current problem in an odd place. Has to roll under the current stacks number, that is based on how many libraries of extra books she has.

Stacks number is currently: 3 (Nuln, LoD, Halfling library.)


Not powerful, but represents how you might find really good ballistic mathematic formulas in a book about football technique or a historical description of someone in a cookbook.

 

[Andres]

The Stacks - Storage of books that don't fit into the library's current categorization system. Contains writings on various Eonir sports and arts.

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Mathilde thought she could beat the stacks, perhaps her greatest moment of hubris. Now finally caught up to her.

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Hmm...

voters used this amazing transcendent boon from a wealthy dwarven polity on a library of all things.

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Karak Vlag (Transcendent): They know irrefutably that you risked your soul to tear theirs from the grasp of Hell.

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[Boney]

Oh wait, Dragons. They should definitely have books on dragons, one of the towers used to be a dragon rookery.

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Perhaps I've just missed it, but has the book hoard library started seeing extensive academic pilgrimage (for lack of a better term) yet?

With the way Mathilde's been raiding libraries it seems like it'd have some exposure to the right circles, and even if it's a long journey it'd still be better than screwing around with multiple trips to different ones if you're looking for something specific.

Not sure how viable this would be, but if I ran an academic institution capable of exchanging mail with 8 peaks I'd be tempted to station a scribe and some interns in the city purely so I could send them letters with research requests and they send summaries/excerpts of relevant sources.

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Mathilde gave that a nudge at the end of this update.

Not sure where it would fit, but the Asur were a global maritime empire back when Laurelorn was part of them.

Would they have at least basic books on the world's seas and global geography. Atlases, maps of currents and prevailing winds, etc.

They might not know much about modern day Cathay or Ind or Khuresh, but they could well have quite detailed records of visits from Asur merchants and tourists to their ports, so at least know things about their coasts' physical geography and ecology, even if their cultures and politics have moved on.

And in the case of Cathay, even the later two may not have changed all that much.

It might be mostly in the form of travelogues and memories of visitors from the cities that became Laurelorn who then went back home, or texts ordered from Lothern by curious librarians.

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Added an oceans section, but the information they have about stuff on foreign coastlines might be of extreme interest to some but isn't giving a numeric bonus.

@Boney since we did dedicated work on the subject I feel it's worth the ask, is Mycology part of Old World Forests or would it be its own thing?

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Part of Old World Forests. My thinking is that while there would be a great deal of value in a wider perspective on plants in general, the current state of science isn't there yet and the overwhelming majority of writings would be focused on a specific geological area.

For another subject, Norsca unless it's part of the Old World. It's close by, so might have Asur books on it. Marauder Tribes might do if the Eonir have been raided by Norscans over the years. Perhaps other Chaos enemies like Chaos Warriors if they decided to have a go at looting and destroying the elf place connected to the sea by river.

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What insight there might be on the subject would need to be shaken out of the Forestborn of the Ward of Storm.

I'm a bit surprised the Eonir have Asur: Skaven Warp Magic books, thought that would've been after the split.

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They assisted Mandred Skavenslayer during the Skaven Wars.

Actually, thinking about the quasi-classical culture the Eonir have I'd expect Rhetoric to be a substantial subject of study, practice, and writing, with standard texts for students and formal schools and styles.

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It's too insular, it's turned into its own sport slash art form.

Fs in chat for the death of Order.

@Boney two more subjects. First is Skaven: they helped Mandred out by guiding his army, and maybe they did enough other stuff with skaven to write stuff down about them. Second is Necromancy because of the HeroQuest event, though I'm guessing that's in all likelihood a one off, not something common enough to write books about.

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Added Skaven (already had Warp Magic, forgot to add society), Necromancy would be a Grey Lord thing.

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Ok, hear me out:

The Stacks: on a failed research roll, Mathilde can make a Stacks roll to represent her diving into her piles of books that don't fit into her current system for the off chance of finding useful information to the current problem in an odd place. Has to roll under the current stacks number, that is based on how many libraries of extra books she has.

Stacks number is currently: 3 (Nuln, LoD, Halfling library.)


Not powerful, but represents how you might find really good ballistic mathematic formulas in a book about football technique or a historical description of someone in a cookbook.

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I like the idea, but added layers of rolls is a sort of crunch-heavy style of QMing that I'm bad at maintaining. Having Mathilde pull ideas from obscure corners of the stacks is the sort of thing I might end up doing narratively.

 

[DocMatoi]

"sir your son may be a gold wizard. I know this may be troub-"
"oh awesome!"
"-ling the fuck you mean awesome?!?"

 

[friget234]

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Am I allowed to feel second hand insult on behalf of Karak Vlag if we say that the act of saving the souls of thousand of dwarfs from torment is the equivalent value to sorting through library stacks?

 

[TotallyNotEvil]

No Dragon lore?

 

[Jyn Ryvia]

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Dwarf after 10 years of sorting and categorising an endless stream of new books of odd subjects: ' This is cruel and unusual and I want to go back into the warp.'

 

[Ergosum]

Oh god, I just had a possible brainwave- What if his name is Balthasar Gelt?

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His surname is likely Schaefer, not Gelt. Unless 'Balthasar Gelt' was his full first name, like in 'Karl Franz', I guess?

 

[Andres]

His surname is likely Schaefer, not Gelt. Unless 'Balthasar Gelt' was his full first name, like in 'Karl Franz', I guess?

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Wizards sometimes change their name. I doubt Sienna's last name was always Firenasus, same as I don't think Balthasar's last name was always Gold.

 

[DeadmanwalkingXI]

His surname is likely Schaefer, not Gelt. Unless 'Balthasar Gelt' was his full first name, like in 'Karl Franz', I guess?

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Balthasar Gelt is an alias. It is almost certainly not the birth name of the man who uses it. His real name could be just about anything.

 

[Wiggy]

Necromancy would be a Grey Lord thing.

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*Squints suspiciously*

To study or perform?

 

[Jyn Ryvia]

*Squints suspiciously*

To study or perform?

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Don't ask questions you know your not going to like the answer of

 

[Ergosum]

Wizards sometimes change their name. I doubt Sienna's last name was always Firenasus, same as I don't think Balthasar's last name was always Gold.

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Balthasar Gelt is an alias. It is almost certainly not the birth name of the man who uses it. His real name could be just about anything.

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Good to know. Maybe I'm just too used to, say, Star Wars where being called "Savage Oppress" or "Elan Sleazebaggano" or "Whorm Loathsom" or "Ima Gun Di" is fine and usual.