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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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ReImagined said:
You seemed to be arguing that Eike would have no use for shadowrider, so yes, I was arguing that it was useful. If your concern is priority and time management then that's a different matter.

I feel like you're operating under a lot of misconceptions:
- Teaching her on her Journey doesn't make sense, because that's the stage where the journeywizards leave and Masters don't teach them again until the final round when they graduate to Magister. Do you mean teaching her before she goes on her Journey?
- Shadowsteed is a Relatively Simple spell, meaning it requires Magic 2 to cast and Magic 3 to cast reliably. Eike is at Magic 2 right now, and she'll hit Magic 3 when she finishes up Sounds. Mechanically, we're not rushing the spell.
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1. I was never arguing that she shouldn't learn it. More that it shouldn't be a priority at this point.
2. Couple points here
A. Right before the journey would be appropriate and a solid ssnd off, but that wasn't the point of it. It was,
B. I feel like I remember regimand helping us (could be wrong freely admit) but also that feels like a little r rule as opposed to one of the Rules.
3. It's not so much rushing the learning that I was concerned about, the struggles Mathilde faced learned ulgu spells was because she viewed ulgu as fog and mist as opposed to shadow. We have very little knowledge on Eike's view on ulgu. Shadowsteed as noted is a bit outside the normal Ulgu wheel house.
(I believe the original point was the inventor was more mystical leaning and the tread towards dawn and dusk) its perhaps a stupid worry to have but it feels like an easy spell to go wrong.
 
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    • Nerdasaurus Rex said:
    I think you mean "It's Morbing Time".
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    picklepikkl said:
    I absolutely do not mean that
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    I blame you both. :V

    Morbing Time

    Oho Algard
    Tonight I'm gonna show off
    You know how I know?
    Because it's Marktag
    And Marktag night is the night that I usually show off
    Wellentag night is my night to cook
    Aubentag night, I go and visit the Eonir
    But Marktag, I have eight, giant Morbs

    It's when everything is just right
    There's no best kind of bad news
    You haven't had your after-work social Patriarch meeting, so you're not too tired
    Oh boss, it's all on

    You frown and mutter something suspicious my way, like
    "Will I have to Daemoncheck you again? I'm meeting the Emperor in the morning."
    I know what you're trying to say, boss
    You're trying to say, "Oh, yeah
    It's Morbing time
    It's Morbing time"

    It's Morbing
    It's Morbing time
    I know what you're tryna say
    You're tryna say, "It's time for Morbing, it's Morbing time yeah"
    It's Morbing
    It's Morbing time
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah

    Then we tell the Colleges
    Grinning like thieves
    That's all part of the headpats
    I love headpats
    A-chicka-chicka, a-chicka-chicka, a-chicka-chick, ow-ow-ow!
    Then you sort out the paperwork
    That isn't part of the headpat process, but it is still very important

    Next thing you know, we're in Obsidian Hall
    You're wearing that shaggy, old, grey robe you got from the College several years ago
    Yeah, you know the one, boss
    With the ink stain
    Oww, ah

    I unveil my Orbs very, very showily
    Tripping, seriously, over a cat?
    But now I'm smugging, down to my boots
    And you know when I'm smug to my boots
    What time it is

    It's Morbing
    It's Morbing time
    You know when I'm smug to my boots
    It's time for Morbing, that's why they call 'em Morbing boots, ooh
    It's Morbing
    It's Morbing time

    Oh, hoo, hoo, oh, yeah, yeah, ah, yeah

    Ah, makin' orbs
    Makin' orbs for
    Makin' orbs for eight
    Makin' orbs for eight Colleges

    When you're me, boss, you show off to eight Colleges
    Because I'm so lucky
    You whisper something suspicious, like
    "Here, think fast"
    I know what you're tryna say, boss
    You're tryna say, "Ah shit, here we go again"
    Then you tell me you want some more, well, uh
    I'm not surprised
    But I've lost focus

    It's Morbing
    It's Morbing time
    Morbing hours are over, boss
    It's Morbing
    It's Morbing time

    With thanks to Flight of the Conchords, Business Time
     
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    • chocolote12 said:
    This website gives me the 1690's for "To sprout or spurt forth". I put some effort into looking it up specifically so that I could plausibly deny the anachronism of calling our horse a jet plane (plane also being a tool that makes things smoother and the verb of using that tool, which we could apply to say that our horse is a tool that makes journeys and specifically the mechanism of horse riding smoother).
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    Yes, but there's no implication of speed. And jet planes and engines weren't called that because they were fast but because they used jet propulsion, the engines 'push out' gases rather than the way a propeller 'drags' a plane through the air.
     
    deathofrats0808 said:
    Yes, but there's no implication of speed. And jet planes and engines weren't called that because they were fast but because they used jet propulsion, the engines 'push out' gases rather than the way a propeller 'drags' a plane through the air.
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    I'd throw beans at my monitor to castigate you in effigy, but I am beanless (and that would be messy even if they were dry). Throwing, thrusting, and tossing about are the roots of the word, and all of those things imply impulse in a way sufficient for a reasonable person to go "oh yeah, Jet, a movement word" and stick it on their discount horse replacement branding.
     
    hugo239111 said:
    1. I was never arguing that she shouldn't learn it. More that it shouldn't be a priority at this point.
    2. Couple points here
    A. Right before the journey would be appropriate and a solid ssnd off, but that wasn't the point of it. It was,
    B. I feel like I remember regimand helping us (could be wrong freely admit) but also that feels like a little r rule as opposed to one of the Rules.
    3. It's not so much rushing the learning that I was concerned about, the struggles Mathilde faced learned ulgu spells was because she viewed ulgu as fog and mist as opposed to shadow. We have very little knowledge on Eike's view on ulgu. Shadowsteed as noted is a bit outside the normal Ulgu wheel house.
    (I believe the original point was the inventor was more mystical leaning and the tread towards dawn and dusk) its perhaps a stupid worry to have but it feels like an easy spell to go wrong.
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    We can move on from point 1, then, as there's no longer disagreement there. As for points 2 and 3:

    I believe you're remembering when Regimand sourced the book Light And Its Properties, by Leonardo da Miragliano so Mathilde could trap the Wisdom's Asp, on Turn 5.

    What Regimand did was essentially acting as a contact and offering advice and recommendations. What he did not do was build the box for her himself, or buy the book for her out of pocket, or teach any spells. Journeying is the point where you're looking to head out into the world to prove your independence, and relying on your Master for spells rather defeats the point of that. This is further backed up by how Mathilde picked up other spells during her Journey.

    The paradigm of Shadowsteed's creator doesn't matter because it's a codified spell in the standard spellbook. That's what being codified means—anybody can learn it without sharing the paradigm, which is how Apprentice Mathilde mastered it to become a Journeywoman despite not sharing the same views on mystical Ulgu. That doesn't mean everybody can learn it—things can pop up like Johann's inflexible magic—but currently there's no reason to believe that Eike would struggle more than any of the other hundreds of wizards that must've learned the spell at some point despite not sharing the same views.
     
    Three rolls... Perhaps because we have Hatalath, Sarvoi and Cadaeth? Or maybe we'd have three rolls anyway because this is something that the whole of Laurelorn is going to benefit from and this is a very forest-centric society, and thus they'd throw a lot of redundancies this way?

    ...Yeah, they probably would throw this level of effort no matter what.
     
    hugo239111 said:
    1. I was never arguing that she shouldn't learn it. More that it shouldn't be a priority at this point.
    2. Couple points here
    A. Right before the journey would be appropriate and a solid ssnd off, but that wasn't the point of it. It was,
    B. I feel like I remember regimand helping us (could be wrong freely admit) but also that feels like a little r rule as opposed to one of the Rules.
    3. It's not so much rushing the learning that I was concerned about, the struggles Mathilde faced learned ulgu spells was because she viewed ulgu as fog and mist as opposed to shadow. We have very little knowledge on Eike's view on ulgu. Shadowsteed as noted is a bit outside the normal Ulgu wheel house.
    (I believe the original point was the inventor was more mystical leaning and the tread towards dawn and dusk) its perhaps a stupid worry to have but it feels like an easy spell to go wrong.
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    Mathilde failed to learn spells a handful of times in total and most of them were due to scheduling issues. One time a failed roll was fluffed as her misunderstanding the spell. If it had been a 1 then maybe she'd have discovered that she was bad at shadow type spells or something, but it wasn't so that was just normal teething problems with learning spells, Eike isn't going to have some kind of horse related spell issues because most people do not have problems with codified spells. Overall I think the argument so far down the mystical rabbit hole it's in Wonderland, but the question isn't about that, this is the baseline college curriculum.
     
    chocolote12 said:
    We need to have a good name for the Mastered Shadow Steed. A gooder name, anyway. 'Shadow Rider' isn't terrible, but I want to be silly.

    We need a name that gets across how fast this thing is.

    The word 'jet' as a synonym for fast movement is desirable for its homonyms (and surprisingly old). Another meaning of Jet refers to a glossy black color, like the kind our horse would be. That checks out.

    We could just call it that. Mathilde's Jet Steed. It feels upgrade-ish enough.

    But I bet we could make it catchier by trying to anticipate language drift. Calling it something like a 'Jetter' is easier and cooler to do, and a General would say 'send a Jetter' the same way they'd say 'send a runner'. Jetter has a modern meaning of 'an animal like a squid that moves by jet propulsion'. That's actually pretty good for also describing how smooth it is.

    Jetter also has an old timey meaning. It refers to someone who struts and bears themselves jauntily; a young person full of braggadocio. This of course is the silly master stroke.

    That is to say that rumors are faster than light and darkness, so Mathilde has upgraded to riding at the speed of lies.
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    We already have a punny name for it: Shadowhose, because you wear it kind of like a hose, an old word for pants.

    I admit it doesn't quite have the grace of mistery or portentativ, but it's still pretty good I'd say.
     
    Have you guys noticed that Eike is abot to get Magic 4, not 3.

    One from Sounds spell and one from Enchantement almost at the same time.
     
    Andres said:
    I'm annoyed that there's no wiki page on the Forest of Gloom. Surprisingly, the greatest trove of lore on it by far is the Total War wiki page.
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    It's one of those places that's more of a name on a map than a place that actually gets talked about.

    Total War has stuff for it because they used it as a Magical Forest for the Wood Elves mechanic and that meant it needed something distinct.
     
    Nerdasaurus Rex said:
    Eike gets the +1 with Advanced Enchanting, this will only bring her up to Basic I think?
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    Eike will get +1 from Advanced Materials, which is a skill related to enchanting but distinct from the Enchantment skill:
    Boney said:
    Enchantment (1/2)
    Materials: Eike is able to quickly and precisely evaluate how conductive a material is to various forms of magical energy, and how to compensate for or take advantage of that conductivity. +1 Learning, Advanced will give +1 Magic
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    The reason this will give her +1 Magic isn't that learning enchanting skills generally increases magic score (IIRC Mathilde never gained Magic from enchanting, only from learning spells) but because it uniquely suits her form of Windsight:
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    Eike's form of Windsight would let her use that to take advantage of the material properties of the world around her on the fly. Even if Mathilde acquires that same level of theoretical knowledge, it won't be wired into her Windsight in the same way.
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    I'm not sure how likely Eike is to advance that skill from College classes, though I imagine that if there's any hope of her learning it then it'll be from the Freeform learning we voted for.
     
    Hmm, I wonder if we couldn't write an article/book on waystones and tributaries deployement strategies for rulers and their advisors.

    Make it easier for them to get the ball rollling on their own by selecting partners and devising deployment strategies...
     
    Sparsebeard said:
    Hmm, I wonder if we couldn't write an article/book on waystones and tributaries deployement strategies for rulers and their advisors.

    Make it easier for them to get the ball rollling on their own by selecting partners and devising deployment strategies...
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    I could absolutely get behind writing a Waystone home delivery catalogue something like that. The more widespread this information is, the better.
     
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