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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sparsebeard said:
Hmm, I wonder if we couldn't write an article/book on waystones and tributaries deployement strategies for rulers and their advisors.

Make it easier for them to get the ball rollling on their own by selecting partners and devising deployment strategies...
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Nimbus said:
I could absolutely get behind writing a Waystone home delivery catalogue something like that. The more widespread this information is, the better.
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I suspect this is below the level of abstraction and is included within the deployment actions. After all, deployment actions are more about expending the diplomatic and organizational impetus to get the process rolling than they are about putting up magic rocks ourself; making sure the people managing the process on an ongoing basis understand "here's the optimal placement strategy, here's the ways to deal with it when geography isn't cooperating with optimal placement, here's how transmission differs between leyline mode and river mode," all that sort of thing, would be included in the handoff.
 
picklepikkl said:
I suspect this is below the level of abstraction and is included within the deployment actions. After all, deployment actions are more about expending the diplomatic and organizational impetus to get the process rolling than they are about putting up magic rocks ourself; making sure the people managing the process on an ongoing basis understand "here's the optimal placement strategy, here's the ways to deal with it when geography isn't cooperating with optimal placement, here's how transmission differs between leyline mode and river mode," all that sort of thing, would be included in the handoff.
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I suppose that the advantage of writing (and publishing) a book on the subject would be to make that knowledge generally available - that way any interested court mage or intrigued noble with the capacity to hire mages could access a template for what the... 'arcanologistical'? What those aspects of the process are, allowing them to get the rest rolling themselves rather than relying on the project's own members. (This would, of course, mean giving up a certain amount of control over that process, and might upset some of our partners, but the priority does seem to be getting the Waystones out there rather than maintaining an iron grip on their distribution. Besides, the book could easily direct interested persons towards said partners for purchase of relevant materials and expertise.)
 
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GrimTheMad said:
Do we have a naming scheme?

We just tend to go with whatever we like the most in the moment- this can includes puns, or alliteration, or acronyms, or none of the above.

Mathilde's naming schemes are like her publishing habits, utterly unpredictable.
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Somewhere in the colleges, an unsuspecting apprentice who put their money on "punny portmanteau" in the Mathilde Weber Names betting pool is about to win it all.
 
GrimTheMad said:
Do we have a naming scheme?

We just tend to go with whatever we like the most in the moment- this can includes puns, or alliteration, or acronyms, or none of the above.

Mathilde's naming schemes are like her publishing habits, utterly unpredictable.
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Mathilde either inserts her name or makes a pun, sometimes both, if at all possible. So yeah.
 
On the subject of AV, I gotta wonder just how public it'll go.

Asides from how people might feel about how the Winds aren't a 'natural' product of reality exerting a reverse-taint on the Aethyr, it might be a good idea to limit how many people know that properly-sourced not-Daemon blood can help create Liminal Realms and turn power stones into Orbs of Sorcery.
 
Parabola said:
Asides from how people might feel about how the Winds aren't a 'natural' product of reality exerting a reverse-taint on the Aethyr, it might be a good idea to limit how many people know that properly-sourced not-Daemon blood can help create Liminal Realms and turn power stones into Orbs of Sorcery.
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I could see where AV comes from/what exactly it is being classified to higher levels of the college. Allows the Colleges to keep control of who has access to it as well as deterring people from haphazardly summoning creatures to get some snakejuice and getting themselves or others killed. Undoubtedly there would be folks trying to copy how Mathilde did it, which is not a good way to do so at all. There will probably be a good amount of time as they figure out a much safer way to extract AV at a decent clip.
 
redpotato4 said:
I could see where AV comes from/what exactly it is being classified to higher levels of the college. Allows the Colleges to keep control of who has access to it as well as deterring people from haphazardly summoning creatures to get some snakejuice and getting themselves or others killed. Undoubtedly there would be folks trying to copy how Mathilde did it, which is not a good way to do so at all. There will probably be a good amount of time as they figure out a much safer way to extract AV at a decent clip.
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I mean. All you have to do is trap a Wisdom Asp in such a way that it's going through mirrors, in and out of the Aethyr, and intersecting itself. I'm pretty sure clever folk like mages can figure out a way to make that happen easily, seeing as Matilde had it happen essentially by accident and divine intervention.
 
AmberSlime said:
I mean. All you have to do is trap a Wisdom Asp in such a way that it's going through mirrors, in and out of the Aethyr, and intersecting itself. I'm pretty sure clever folk like mages can figure out a way to make that happen easily, seeing as Matilde had it happen essentially by accident and divine intervention.
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Boney has said before that the Mirrorbox would be essentially impossible to reproduce. A lot of that is because it shouldn't have been possible in the first place- the only reason it happened is because he decided on what would happen on a dice roll above 50 or below 50, but not exactly 50. Which is what the dice gave.

So anybody else would need to find another source for AV.
 
redpotato4 said:
I could see where AV comes from/what exactly it is being classified to higher levels of the college. Allows the Colleges to keep control of who has access to it as well as deterring people from haphazardly summoning creatures to get some snakejuice and getting themselves or others killed. Undoubtedly there would be folks trying to copy how Mathilde did it, which is not a good way to do so at all. There will probably be a good amount of time as they figure out a much safer way to extract AV at a decent clip.
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Or just properly organize regular field trips for the battle wizards.
 
Sparsebeard said:
Hmm, I wonder if we couldn't write an article/book on waystones and tributaries deployement strategies for rulers and their advisors.

Make it easier for them to get the ball rollling on their own by selecting partners and devising deployment strategies...
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pikkle already talked about what the deployment action is, but Boney has mentioned writing on the waystones before. Mathilde could probably write a paper about it, but I agree with Boney that the thread probably won't cut up the theoretical Waystone Book.

Boney said:
There's a hell of a book to be written on Waystones after all this is done, and it could instead be delivered piecemeal, but voters generally haven't gone for slicing things into minimum publishable units.
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AmberSlime said:
I mean. All you have to do is trap a Wisdom Asp in such a way that it's going through mirrors, in and out of the Aethyr, and intersecting itself. I'm pretty sure clever folk like mages can figure out a way to make that happen easily, seeing as Matilde had it happen essentially by accident and divine intervention.
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Do you mean, daemonology? :V

Boney mentioned that the actual reason it happened was a poorly defined roll. It is possible to replicate it, but you would need to be an expert in daemonology to do it. The Dawi-Zharr Sorceror-Prophets are probably the most qualified to do that sort of thing.

Boney said:
It wasn't 1 in 100, it was the result of the QM poorly defining the possibility space and the result landing in the 1-in-100 gap that I left. It's effectively impossible to replicate without doing some hardcore Daemonology.
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I can see access to AV being restricted because bringing it into the Grey College will cause it to go poof while it expands the pocket dimension and leak the secret that it is one.

A secret that's currently limited to the LMs.
 
I would imagine that if there's any College well-versed enough in theoretical Daemonology that they could hold Apparitions in stasis and get their blood, it'd actually be the Lights. We know they do the important job of holding down things in reality that would be worse off in the Aethyr. Hell, their Luminarks of Hysh are typically supposed to be used as part of the Light College's internal safeguards, which is supposedly why they're so rare to field in actual combat.

IIRC Boney's also previously said that while Mathilde has a lot of generalized Dhar knowledge (Dhar as a substance/phenomenon), the Lights and Amethysts respectively have members who've dedicated their whole lives to countering Daemonology and Necromancy and thus she might not be able to lay claim to being the College member with most Dark Magic knowledge in specialized topics.
 
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The Dark Elves and Fimir may know enough about Daemonology to milk a Wisdom Asp, given they're both known to bind and enslave daemons. It's not just the Chaos Dwarves that make a habit of it.

The Fimir may even know Ulgu based techniques related to it. Not sure what language the Fimir would write down their knowledge in, if we ever get a chance to engage in some some aggressive knowledge transfer from them.
 
Alratan said:
The Dark Elves and Fimir may know enough about Daemonology to milk a Wisdom Asp, given they're both known to bind and enslave daemons. It's not just the Chaos Dwarves that make a habit of it.

The Fimir may even know Ulgu based techniques related to it. Not sure what language the Fimir would write down their knowledge in, if we ever get a chance to engage in some some aggressive knowledge transfer from them.
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I would think either the Fimir have their own written language or it's pure Dark Tongue?
 
Mathilde goes on a pilgrimage deep into the Aethyr to rob the Library of Bork, the functionally unknown third Orc God, who holds the collective knowledge of the Orc Species because Gork and Mork are too busy punching it out of each other to collect it themselves.

Brutality, Kunnin', an' Errythink 'lse

okay now I've got myself thinking about Mathilde getting herself wrapped up in Legend of Zorclda, wherein she must team up with Hook Stabsalot, Champion of Bork, who is either a very tall Goblin or a very lost Hobgoblin to stop Grimgor Ironhide from kidnapping Zorclda, who somehow managed to get confused for a Brettonian noblewoman's daughter (last seen in Mousillon)
 
Boney usually writes a Christmas update. Do you think it'll be the orbflex ? Or is that going to be a social action, with the writing of the book this turn being more theorising than gloating ?
 
Boney should write at his own rhythm and not feel pressured by the relentless march of time. Lately the years pass by both strangely slow but also very quickly.
 
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