I just double checked, and he didn't make the calendar, he "improved it". So yeah, probably a future person.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I just double checked, and he didn't make the calendar, he "improved it". So yeah, probably a future person.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Kerchlik is from Tome of Salvation and is mentioned with present tense, so he's in the future as well.
Historical wizards is a field with pretty slim pickings to begin with, but Celestials seem to have it even worse.
Like, the history of the Colleges of Magic is basically
-Teclis founds the Colleges, featuring Volans and Von Tarnus
-Bad stuff with Alric
-Modern day
- Location
- USA
[X] Locals
Maybe we should just call them "Mathilde's Marbles" and not worry about individual names.
Also, Primordial Enrichment is a fantastic term for the process.
Also, Primordial Enrichment is a fantastic term for the process.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I suspect we aren't actually going to break the College Favour system with the Orbs of Sorcery. They're technically replaceable by 6-10 Power Stones, but are only usable for projects that need at least 6 Power Stones without wasting some "value", so 6 Power Stones is logistically more valuable except for exactly those old Battle Altars designed to use Orbs, and prestige.
My best guess is that we maybe get 6 Power Stones worth of CF for each of the first batch, and somewhat less for subsequent batches. That's still a very large amount, but it's also rate-limited by requiring 8 turns of output, so it'll end up doubling or tripling our current passive Favour gain, which is an incredible boost but not necessarily system-breaking.
It's also possible that the initial huge intake of Favour is replaced by something else, to avoid us sitting on a hoard of Favour we measure inputs and outputs on, never worrying about running out.
We're also paying for Adela's piloting now, which I think is ~1CF per turn?
I also really want to finish up the last AV options before writing the book. We could knock out the College lesson and Enchanting next turn, and try and make an AV Power Stone the turn after, the same turn we start writing the book?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
We've had one or two in the 400s, the records is 663, and I'm pretty sure there was one around 630.
No, the Branch College is paying for that. We get Adela, Johann, Max and Egrimm for free because we spent a Great Deed on it.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm solidly with picklepikki on this. Even if we didn't have the Waystone Project and the library to take up our attention, we literally couldn't finish up AV in a turn or even two - not when 'try to weaponize AV with what you know of it' could for all we know unlock something else, and when we need to accumulate enough CF for it, likely over a few turns.
Our best bet is doing steady progress on it, maybe one action or two actions per turn at most. We're in no rush, and I think we'd do better work when not stressed over the Waystone Project.
"For what?"
"I asked her what she did to get gigantic favors from all eight colleges and she said she lost her marbles."
Our best bet is doing steady progress on it, maybe one action or two actions per turn at most. We're in no rush, and I think we'd do better work when not stressed over the Waystone Project.
"I heard Lady Magister Weber is getting accolades for losing her mind."
"For what?"
"I asked her what she did to get gigantic favors from all eight colleges and she said she lost her marbles."
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
An Orb of Sorcery costs a Power Stone and a galleon of AV to make, and can only be made in batches of 8. If an Orb of Sorcery ends up being worth 3 Power Stones at the low end (because not many projects actually need an array of 6 or more regular Power Stones), then we make 2 Power Stones' worth of profit per Orb, or 10 CF. We'd make 80CF every 8 turns, assuming that we never use AV on anything else, or 10 CF per turn.
10 CF per turn is a respectable amount! It's more than double our current approximate income. But as we gain more income, we're likely to spend our CF more frequently, including hiring more employees as ongoing costs. and, of course, we aren't going to be putting all of our AV into this.
This is a very large income boost but I don't think it'll break the economy.
10 CF per turn is a respectable amount! It's more than double our current approximate income. But as we gain more income, we're likely to spend our CF more frequently, including hiring more employees as ongoing costs. and, of course, we aren't going to be putting all of our AV into this.
This is a very large income boost but I don't think it'll break the economy.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Nope. "What to do after Karag Dum" was highest, 663 votes. "Divine AV" is second place, 630 votes. Looting Alkharad was 390 votes. The generating-candidates romance vote was 372 voters. This one is only at 329. There were probably others in the 300s that I just don't recall -- I know the post-Dum trait vote was in there, for instance.
We may climb to lofty heights with this vote, but right now we're still solidly in known territory.
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consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
- Location
- Jerkville
I imagine that one of the effects of the Flex would be a distinct lack of desire to tell us to cut any future research sabbaticals short unless we spend a decade or more, and without significant results to show for it at that.
Also, symbolically we should only repeat the Flex every eight years, which also lets us use AV for other research and paradigm shattering hobbies. Or possibly 8 months for the second batch with sufficient application of excessive bribery.
Griffon
Also, symbolically we should only repeat the Flex every eight years, which also lets us use AV for other research and paradigm shattering hobbies. Or possibly 8 months for the second batch with sufficient application of excessive bribery.
Griffon
I think an Orb might be worth more than six powerstones in favour simply because of the "we had no idea this was possible" factor. We're not just making an Orb, we're developing a new branch of magic.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
It's not just the pure favour resource though. It's also the reputation. Six power stones worth of Cf is thirty, multiplied by eight Orbs. Mathilde is already an LM at less than two hundred. That single influx would be more than two hundred on its own.
Boney shifting the reward conpletely away from the favor/reputation system is basically the only way I see it not just being ridiculous.
I know I shouldn't count chickens, but damnit we actually have both the henhouse and the eggs for this one, but it might be worth a great deed maybe?
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yeah, I could see this a Boon style thing from the Colleges, whether as a whole or individually.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Oh our Reputation will be sky-high, but I don't think Reputation actually has any hard mechanical effects, so that's probably fine?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Is there a reason that we have to make the stone head sized? There are sizes in between the size of your first and the size of your head.
We could say use 4 gallons of AV if we wanted to make a big power stones for a staff without it being unweldly.
We could say use 4 gallons of AV if we wanted to make a big power stones for a staff without it being unweldly.
- Location
- Australia
How do you think codifying Branarhune would break the Colleges rep system? Is there a large number of wizards who use variably-existing weaponry I don't know about?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Maybe if there wasn't already the precedence of what happened with our dwarf favor when it got that high. It's just a guess, but the narrative implications of surpassing a Lord Magister's career in reputation value with one fell swoop might make the favor system seem a bit awkward. Especially after already being that LM.
400+ rep is a really big number, and that's just the very first batch at minimum expectation.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Mathilde's Bountiful Orbs of Wonder.
Alternatively, Weber's Enchanted Balls. Acronym is WEB.
Final suggestion is Weber's Enchanted Balls of Sorcery, Acronym is WEBS.
What does that have to do with subtly?
Alternatively, Weber's Enchanted Balls. Acronym is WEB.
Final suggestion is Weber's Enchanted Balls of Sorcery, Acronym is WEBS.
What does that have to do with subtly?
Well, there's the old standbye of the Mathilde acronym. Either for the wizards or the stone.
For gems, let's see Moonstone, Amber, Topaz, Heliodor, Iolite, Ludlamite, Disaspore, Emerald. I used this site to pick em, if someone wants to go through the options a pick something more fitting.
There really is a lack of of know MPs for this, so I suggest just using wizards we know and like. That's a nice dedication, and you could make a mushy statement of 'we are made from our friends'
So:
- Maurer's Moonstone. Alternative was Melkor, but I think the next step was funnier, then it was Max gets it, mostly because Johan and Gehenna don't have the correct starting letter. But we know almost no Amethyst, so Gretel had to serve. As for the stone? I just like the name.
- Algard's Amber. Yes, wizard and stone don't match. Because Mathilde only has one A, it was always going to be a problem. Pairing Algard with the stone of a completly different order, who's boss is also on the list, is funny. It's also a distraction from the actual acronym, because people will be dissecting that choice.
- Theodor's Topaz, because finding one with T is hard, and he did come up with powerstones. Alternative was Tarnus, but while a great enchanter, he wasn't known for powerstones. Teclis was an option, but he doesn't really belong to a single order.
- Hubert's Heliodore. Because Hubert has the correct letter. I originally picked Heliodore for the Light order (sun+yellow), but Ergrim is already getting something else, and he's our eligible Light. I guess it still kinda works with the sun being a celestial object, and being the wrong choice. Alternative was Hannes, a short form of Johan. But we need Hubert here
- Iolite. Need a bright here (or for L), but hell if I can find one. I thought of using Iohannes, but A) we need the Golds for T, and B) he lost that vote.
- Panoramia's Ludlamite. Panoramia gets to girlfriend privileges and break the rule of alliteration. The stone is green. Could also be used for P.
- Dragomas' Danburite. It's a yellow stone, which is at least the correct color.
- Ergrim's Emerald. Again, combining someone with a stone from another order.
Also, shoutout to @Codex college rolodex. Very useful here.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I think the Dwarven system ending was because our Favour was getting to a point where we would absolutely never spend it all. The Reputation number going that high isn't meaningfully different from our numberless incredible reputation we now narratively enjoy, is it?
I don't know that the Orbs will boost our Reputation that high, either. There's no reason it has to match 1:1 to our estimated Favour gains.
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