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I have to really strongly disagree that immortal is somehow the ultimate qualifier for a librarian. Aside from anything else immortal is not the same as willing to dedicate eternity to this one specific job.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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FORTHEYOLOZ
Morgana-sama!!!
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[X] The We
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Dwarves don't, but there were a lot of other humans in the expedition, and several Wizards for a lot of it. Maybe they just never talked about it in letters home?
not really. Most of her combat spells are Fiendishly Complex. Mastered, too. It's not quite Battle magic, but she casts them often in short time spans.
Also, just for raw power there was the Okral thing which… might not have gotten around by then, but is a big enough thing I expect important people will hear about eventually.
But to clarify, I'm not disbelieving that it happened —or didn't happen, rather—just kind of curious about the specifics.
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I apologize: I should've specified that I did not think every person not voting for the We was of that opinion.
I do think there are valid arguments to not recruiting the We. It is just that there were some specific arguments that were being brought up that majorly rubbed me the wrong way.
If the We loses the vote, I'd like it to be because people didn't think they were the best candidate, or because they're looking for a multicultural staff or something. Not because "ordinary people are too xenophobic to accept the We and we should accomodate for that".
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I voted for The We, and I think they'd make great librarians.
I also think we "we should ignore the fear they'll inspire because that's too close to IRL racism" is an incredibly bad take. Real-life "you'd scare customers" racism is about normal people being stereotyped as thugs, not about customers being apprehensive of the literal swarm of giant predators whose main food source is still hunting and eating sapient beings.
This feels like a rude comparison to make to IRL humans, who did nothing to deserve the fear they're tarred with.
I think we should ignore the fear the We would inspire because people would get used to them, and the lure of a giant amazing library will bring people in nonetheless.
I also think we "we should ignore the fear they'll inspire because that's too close to IRL racism" is an incredibly bad take. Real-life "you'd scare customers" racism is about normal people being stereotyped as thugs, not about customers being apprehensive of the literal swarm of giant predators whose main food source is still hunting and eating sapient beings.
This feels like a rude comparison to make to IRL humans, who did nothing to deserve the fear they're tarred with.
I think we should ignore the fear the We would inspire because people would get used to them, and the lure of a giant amazing library will bring people in nonetheless.
I mean on the one hand I see where you are coming from, but I do not think you will find many people in a dwarf hold who would hold against the We the fact that they eat orcs. Dwarfs eat troll soup so it's not like the taboo is as clear cut as 'humanoids are not food'. I think that the part that is likely to trouble most people is that these are giant spiders which do not have a good reputation, not to mention the instinctive reaction to well... spiders that I imagine many humanoids share because they are dangerous and often poisonous.
[X] Cython
Bookwyrm best wyrm.
Bookwyrm best wyrm.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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Even if they did, how widely would that really disseminate? And again, most people never actually saw Mathilde do anything impressive - that's kind of the nature of being a Grey Wizard. There was that one outpost she cleared basically single-handedly, but "lucky outcome on the perfect spell at the perfect moment" is within the expected possible range of outcomes for a Wizard. It's an outlier for sure, but the occasional outlier result is the name of the game with magic - you have to repeatedly demonstrate you can produce outliers before you start to stand out.
That's because most of the Grey Magic combat spells period are Fiendishly Complex, because it's not actually a Wind that's particularly naturally suited to magical brawling. You pretty much have to get into Battle Magic to actually get big flashy battlefield spells in Grey Magic, which isn't the case for a number of other Winds. And while the Battle Magic spells for Greys actually do include some real doozies, Mathilde hardly knows any of them. And I think most actual Magisters would be expected to have a repertoire of Fiendishly Complex spells.
Like, Wizards in general are impressive battlefield assets by the standards of normal people - that's kind of the main point of them, as far as the Empire is concerned. In order to be famous for that by the standards of full-bore Wizards you have to really go above and beyond, and you have to do it in a context where a lot of people will actually hear about it.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
I kind of doubt Lady Magister Grey had anybody nearby actually seeing her mess with the Chaos Dwarves, and as I pointed out Mathilde did do it several times.
Sure, but to reliably cast FC spells, you also need to be able to cast Battle magic—7 Magic, stat wise—which isn't a common thing for Magisters.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Akharad was classified... Kurgan camp was need to know... we mostly played miasma turret in the battle for Vlag... the retaking of eight peaks we did most of our stuff as a lone ranger without any witnesses...
why would we have this reputation?
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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As I've been saying, Eight Peaks mostly. Pretty much everywhere Mathilde went fortifications crumbled, and a lot of people noticed. Sure, nobody actually saw us doing it, but they saw the effects and I highly doubt anybody actually saw Lady Magister Grey's Chaos Dwarf adventures in person either.
@Boney I know you mentioned that the last time someone tried to carve a rune into raw magic it was Alaric and the material was warpstone, but given that we have powerstones in the tower I would hope that the dwarfs acknowledge single wind powerstones as safer than the Evil Uranium. Assuming that is right does Mathilde think there is a runesmith out there radical enough to be willing to carve in raw Ulgu?
I ask because colaboration with Runesmiths was one of the stated goals of Web-mat and that would be a hell of a way to start it off.
I ask because colaboration with Runesmiths was one of the stated goals of Web-mat and that would be a hell of a way to start it off.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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The first point is fair, and probably relates to the fact that the population in question was Lord/Lady Magisters and Magister Patriarchs/Matriarchs. The latter point... no? Again, the overwhelming majority of her impressive results were achieved via sabotage and stealth, not via brawling. The question isn't "does Mathilde have a record of impressive results" it's "does Mathilde have a record of impressive magical brawling."
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...That's not that relevant, really? Theoretically being able to cast Battle magic is quite a far cry from, y'know, actually casting Battle magic. That's like saying "[x random guy] is strong enough to wield a greatsword as a weapon, so he should have the same combat reputation as an actual Greatsword."
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The actual take-away from this argument is that we really need to flex on the rest of the colleges by dropping Orbs of Sorcery on their laps, and get around to codifying our sword style into something people can use.
We've broken one rep system, gotta break another one now.
We've broken one rep system, gotta break another one now.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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That kind of is Grey magic brawling though. Unless you think LM Grey wasn't also using sabotage and stealth? Like, she's got the same magic we've got. Unless she was walking around throwing Battle magic repeatedly—in which case how in the fuck has she not blown up—she was probably doing the same thing Mathilde does.
Sovereign Hunt
A Concentric Circle
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Boney's characters are intelligent actors that preempt problems, talk things through, and find ways to make it work.
I don't think Cython or We will cause that many problems that they and Mathilde can't solve or account for in some way.
I trust that votes have ways of working themselves out, so I always vote for what I think would be the most interesting thing to read about.
And that's bookwyrm librarian.
[x] Cython
I don't think Cython or We will cause that many problems that they and Mathilde can't solve or account for in some way.
I trust that votes have ways of working themselves out, so I always vote for what I think would be the most interesting thing to read about.
And that's bookwyrm librarian.
[x] Cython
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The most climactic scene in the final reconquest of Karak Eight Peaks, the one they wrote songs about, was the Battle at the West Gates. We spent that one lurking below ground. In the Battle for Karagril, we assassinated Warbosses alone. During the initial Expedition, Mathilde spent the ending watching from atop Karag Nar. Mathilde's roles aren't small, but they're also not well publicized. Unseen, But Not Unfelt indeed.
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Nicholas
No longer teaching battlethings on a battleship
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>Passenger Gyrocarriage
So... how long will Cousin Okri have to stare at Mathilde's ride before he hits upon the idea of air-mobile Dwarven deep-strike raiding teams? Small teams of elite Dwarven Rangers, heavily equipped and armed, inserted and extracted via Gyrocopter.
"Some dwarves are born, maaade to swing the pick!
Oh, do they love to hear it sing!~"
So... how long will Cousin Okri have to stare at Mathilde's ride before he hits upon the idea of air-mobile Dwarven deep-strike raiding teams? Small teams of elite Dwarven Rangers, heavily equipped and armed, inserted and extracted via Gyrocopter.
"Some dwarves are born, maaade to swing the pick!
Oh, do they love to hear it sing!~"
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Might I interest you in some Aerial Drop Iron Hammers?
Breaking down what I think are Mathy's known feats by skill I think it would be something like this:
Diplomacy:
Conclusion: Are we sure she is not a dwarf?
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What do you mean she is one?
Diplomacy:
- Works well with dwarfs
- Has the ear of the Elector Count of Stirland
- Has something going on with the empress
- Close in fighter, has an faux-Runefang
- Decent commander in a pinch, good with dwarfs
- Skilled against Skaven, orcs and the undead
- Has a stake in a prosperous trading company that runs like a logistics company
- Seems to love big infrastructure projects
- Seems to use it as a supplement to her other feats
- Good infiltration skills coupled with a knack for assassination
- Made a Battle Mountain
- Appears to be focused on the broad theoretical questions of magic
Conclusion: Are we sure she is not a dwarf?
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What do you mean she is one?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Also, in mage versus mage combat, which is the main consideration in the SP duels, Mathilde usually does come out on top. Like when she nuked a Higher Daemon's spell in front of a dozen other mages.
Yes, a lot of stuff Mathilde has done isn't publicized, but a lot of it is.
Some of them, yeah, but you're ignoring the fort that the army sent to back her up just mopped up because she set the enemies to fighting each other. The Mors battlefront where a Throng basically just walked through because Mathilde had already gone by and all the Skaven left were just laying on the ground? The big obvious battle where she made one enemy explode and completely stripped an orc army of their energy.
Yes, a lot of stuff Mathilde has done isn't publicized, but a lot of it is.
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- She/Her
[X] The We
This, more than anything else, has convinced me to switch. To the We, the retention and dissemination of knowledge is already a major part of their culture, if not their identity, too. The job of being librarians has the potential to be unusually meaningful and fulfilling for them. So because of that, and the beautiful way you made made this argument, I'm voting to give the We our offer.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
He didn't establish the Colleges until after the war was over, but he took students before that.
The only thing Realms of Sorcery says about Teclis' intentions before reaching the Empire:
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
…You know, a lot of her big magical skills are making everybody else's magic harder. Which is a major skill for Runesmiths, the closest thing dwarves have to mages. Just saying.Conclusion: Are we sure she is not a dwarf?
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What do you mean she is one?