Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Tasoli
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Plus Dragomas will countermand any orders to that effect anyway.
That's fair. But it still implies he has the authority. As in if he really wanted he could do it. As I said in my post I don't know if he would want to but he could.
And I very much doubt dragomas would willingly meddle in internal college matters if he at all can avoid it.
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We probably need a better name than that since I don't think Boney would want to write about people admiring the grand presentation of "Mathilde's Orbs of Sorcery".
Maybe if this was a MAGDA WESSEN novel...
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Tasoli
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Waystone project is not internal matter to Light Collage and Light Collage did make a pladge wheter Alric likes it or not. He can't break that pledge without Dragomas approval.
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On the other hand, Dragomas is a supporter of the Waystone Project, and someone who hates it when politics get in the way of things getting done.
Something like this, maybe?
One of Dragomas's responsibilities is to resolve disputes between the different colleges. A dispute within a single college? Not his business, that's up to the patriarch of that college to resolve. A Light Wizard attempting to disrupt a Grey Wizard's project? Absolutely his business.
Ericwinter
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3 if you count Mira herself. That leaves, what, Alric and one or two other people?
… jeez, we have a lot of the Light College LMs on side. And an Ice dragon friend. Mathilde really likes Hysh mages, doesn't she?
Along those lines, yes.
The decision to pull a light wizard by the light wizard patriarch on the other hand? One that wasn't discussed with said patriarch? For our other wizard we went straight to the patriarch? I very much doubt he would intervene because that smells of internal politic. No matter how much he likes us. Because it would set a precedent, a precedent that you can make deals without your patriarchs knowledge or permission and the college needs to upholds it.
NavySeel
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To pull two unwilling Lord/Lady Magisters from another Lady Magister's project, one that has personal approval from the Supreme Patriarch and is being participated in by 3 foreign nations?
No that is very much a political shitstorm in the making and for all his flaws I doubt Alric is that stupid.
Does not matter if it was discussed or not, someone in the Light College promised us help, if Alric then chooses to renege on it we can totally say 'the Light College is not being serious and messing up our complicated diplomatic project'. At that point Dragonas has to punish someone either Alric or Mira for this mess and I am betting if it comes down to the Supreme Patriarch moving to censure the college Alric is not long for his post.
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Oh yes, i never said otherwise. But alric still has the authority and it's still a internal matter.
Alrics counterpoint to that would be "if you wanted to make deals with the college why did you not ask the head of the college?" Which he still is.
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So I was thinking about next social turn, we probably want to check in with Mandred and Heidi. Then Mathilde also wanted to introduce Panoramia to Cadaeth. Introducing tree girlfriend to... Tree-girl friend?
I kind if want to try to get to know the two elven members of the project better if they're around.
It's also been a while since we saw Belegar or Anton.
I kind if want to try to get to know the two elven members of the project better if they're around.
It's also been a while since we saw Belegar or Anton.
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I think we want to check up on the organ vat and Skaven tech to see if we can shake some cf lose.
Mathilde: I was informed there was a power sharing structure in place. Clearly that was in error and the Light College should make sure no other wizards are deceived by such rumors. I will leave that up to the Supreme Patriarch.
We could make a hell of mess for the Lights on this if we really want to.
Officially there is nothing in place. Officially he's head of the college. Period. If the Senate is held by republicans then other countries can't make deals with the speaker of the Senate. It's not exactly like that but it's close enough.
Average college has four Lords Magister plus a promoted Battlewizard. The Greys have an above average number, whilst the Lights supposedly have a below average number, so it's possible that we've met every Light LM except the promoted battlewizard, who's probably in Stirland somewhere. Mira, Elrisse, Alric and Egrimm make four.
Look, if Alric wants to fuck with us by destabilising the most important magical research project since the Golden Age of the Dwarves and the Elves, I'm happy to fuck with back hard. He can absolutely not just swan into Laurelorn and say "Egrimm, Elrisse, pack your bags, you're wasting your time here." He is not untouchable. We have powerful friends, we have influence, we have our own reputation. Hell, worst case scenario, we have a quiet chat with Heidi, she has a quiet chat with her husband, and then he yells at Alric for us. Can Alric claim to be friends with the Emperor? Boris Toddbringer and the Ar-Ulric will get involved as well, the Karaz Ankor will back us up. That's a lot of powerful people he can't afford to upset.
So if Alric wants to antagonise half the civilised world, I say let him—because it'll probably be the last mistake he'll make.
That's not even incorrect, either. Early on in the quest, Mathilde believed that power was shared jointly by the two. It was only later that she realised that the actual situation was a lot less polite.
Again, for the third time. My only point was that he could. I do not know if he would I'm not called boney. But everyone was throwing around that he was impotent in fucking with us and that's just straight untrue.
Does not matter if it is official or not, this is not Bureaucracy Land, this is a Colleges of Magic, a relatively small institution whose currency is literally favor, If something like this is not settled Lights could face such lovely consequences as ''your favor is now worth half as much when trading with others because you cannot be trusted outside of official arm twisting'.
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I think that there are things he 'could' formally do that would lead to his immediate removal as Patriarch and I very much suspect trying to pull our lights off the project unilaterally is one of those things.
And if it's settled by dragomas suddenly the precedent of "why do you even need patriarchs?" Exists.
We need to see how the throng is gathering at Evepeak and how much AV they may need or how soon Mathilde needs to join the throng. If it is years away we can make a second set of orbs to flex harder on the colleges. If it is soon than we need to start talking to people about seeing who we can get to send with the throng. We might be able to get the colleges to send battle altars .