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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Ericwinter said:
Also, in mage versus mage combat, which is the main consideration in the SP duels, Mathilde usually does come out on top. Like when she nuked a Higher Daemon's spell in front of a dozen other mages.
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Mathilde has also been noted a number of times to favor effective if unconventional solutions over flashy or powerful ones, such as during the battle for the Caldera, where she nudged a Weirdboy's magic just enough to induce a catastrophic miscast.

Or during her Magisterial testing, where the duel test had to be done again after she simply shot her opponent the moment the duel began.
 
Jreengus said:
I have to really strongly disagree that immortal is somehow the ultimate qualifier for a librarian. Aside from anything else immortal is not the same as willing to dedicate eternity to this one specific job.
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Well, The We were dedicating it's immortal eternity to hunting before. Now they "hunt" with trading silk. I don't think being librarian will change much for them.
 
Lampshade said:
Hammer goes up.

"No uncle Kragg I'll be a good Wind I'll behave really!"

Hammer goes down.

"AAAAAAAAAAAA! STOP! STOP! Please I'll do anything you want just please stop!"

Hammer goes up.
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Kragg is, uh… pretty far from radical. Then again, doom mountain. Hmm…

See, now I really do want to see what he would do with an Orb or even a set. It's a pipe dream, but an awesome one.

Man, too bad Vlag doesn't have anyone with decent skills. They might be willing to try.
 
Ericwinter said:
Kragg is, uh… pretty far from radical. Then again, doom mountain. Hmm…

See, now I really do want to see what he would do with an Orb or even a set. It's a pipe dream, but an awesome one.

Man, too bad Vlag doesn't have anyone with decent skills. They might be willing to try.
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he would probably poke at it for half a century just to make sure its safe.
 
Jreengus said:
I have to really strongly disagree that immortal is somehow the ultimate qualifier for a librarian. Aside from anything else immortal is not the same as willing to dedicate eternity to this one specific job.
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I think given the We's modus operandi it probably does mean exactly that. That aside though, even if they leave someday the vast majority of their term will be more skilled than the average applicant. And then there's their other unique advantages. It's just a slow start.

Derpmind said:
[X] The We

This, more than anything else, has convinced me to switch. To the We, the retention and dissemination of knowledge is already a major part of their culture, if not their identity, too. The job of being librarians has the potential to be unusually meaningful and fulfilling for them. So because of that, and the beautiful way you made made this argument, I'm voting to give the We our offer.
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Ah geeze, that's lovely.
 
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I was doing some rereading, and this quote from Egrimm stuck out to me, considering the discussion last vote:
Boney said:
"Ah. Yes, well, you could be right. I don't think Alric would go out of his way to outright sabotage figures that prominent over being slighted, but if there's a way for him to get what he wants while also getting his own back, he'll take it."
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I've personally not really been worried about Alric messing with us for revenge, seeing as I think it's really unlikely he knows we messed with him, but here's probably the best clue as to what him messing with us would look like if he did do it.

This describes how he'd react to being slighted, and we did do more than that, but I think it does indicate that he's not the type to take a costly revenge.

Again, I'm not really worried about it myself because we were Sneaky, but I figured there might be some that would find it reassuring.
 
Speaking of Mathilde's combat ability—not her reputation, I'll leave that for now, but actual ability—I have to say I kinda forgot about this:
Boney said:
Mastery - Shadowrider: Your Shadowsteed is as familiar and easy to control as your own two legs. +5 Martial when mounted on a Shadowsteed, no penalty to rapid distance travel.
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Admittedly, we don't actually get to use it all that often—despite Mathilde using her Shadowsteed all the time for mundane stuff—but it is interesting to note that Mathilde, when mounted, gets 28 martial, and we haven't even finished her sword style or anything. That's heroic right there, and almost as dangerous as the Champion of Khorne. Stack some of her other spell bonuses, and Mathilde would be an absolute murderblender on a horse. After finishing Branarhune…
 
Ericwinter said:
Speaking of Mathilde's combat ability—not her reputation, I'll leave that for now, but actual ability—I have to say I kinda forgot about this:

Admittedly, we don't actually get to use it all that often—despite Mathilde using her Shadowsteed all the time for mundane stuff—but it is interesting to note that Mathilde, when mounted, gets 28 martial, and we haven't even finished her sword style or anything. That's heroic right there, and almost as dangerous as the Champion of Khorne. Stack some of her other spell bonuses, and Mathilde would be an absolute murderblender on a horse. After finishing Branarhune…
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The only time we've used that bonus, as far as I am aware, was defending Roswita from the undead wolves and bears. The only other time we've been in a battle whilst mounted was early on during the K8P expedition, and Boney was using tabletop inspired combat rules for that back then so it didn't directly apply.
 
LadyLynn said:
I was doing some rereading, and this quote from Egrimm stuck out to me, considering the discussion last vote:

I've personally not really been worried about Alric messing with us for revenge, seeing as I think it's really unlikely he knows we messed with him, but here's probably the best clue as to what him messing with us would look like if he did do it.

This describes how he'd react to being slighted, and we did do more than that, but I think it does indicate that he's not the type to take a costly revenge.

Again, I'm not really worried about it myself because we were Sneaky, but I figured there might be some that would find it reassuring.
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It should be noted that we are pretty insulated from Alric and everything he could do against us. Institutionally Dragonas has our back, just in terms of geography we are in another state filled with people willing and able to tell him to go suck a rock and if push comes to shove we have Heidi in our back pocket because we did not take Imperial dispensation.

I could not say we are bullet-proof, but we are quite armored.
 
DragonParadox said:
It should be noted that we are pretty insulated from Alric and everything he could do against us. Institutionally Dragonas has our back, just in terms of geography we are in another state filled with people willing and able to tell him to go suck a rock and if push comes to shove we have Heidi in our back pocket because we did not take Imperial dispensation.

I could not say we are bullet-proof, but we are quite armored.
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So basically, it would take him going out of his way to hurt us which is what Egrimm said he wouldn't do.

And it will only get worse if and when we drop the Orbs of Sorcery. Mathilde's rep in the Colleges would skyrocket from that.
 
i will say that alric has a very direct way of hurting us. recalling the light wizards should be absolutely in his power as head of the college. will he do that? no idea but thats a way to do it which he has total control over.
 
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Tobtorp said:
i will say that alric has a very direct way of hurting us. recalling the light wizards should be absolutely in his power as head of the college. will he do that? no idea but thats a way to do it which he has total control over.
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I don't actually think Alric has the authority—either personal or institutional—to tell two Lords Magister to abandon their current task (especially when that task has the approval of the Supreme Patriarch) and go do something else. That's the sort of thing that makes wizards resentful, and that's something the colleges try to avoid if possible. Now if they were magisters, or journeymen? Yeah, he might be able to do that, but not a Lord Magister.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I don't actually think Alric has the authority—either personal or institutional—to tell two Lords Magister to abandon their current task (especially when that task has the approval of the Supreme Patriarch) and go do something else. That's the sort of thing that makes wizards resentful, and that's something the colleges try to avoid if possible. Now if they were magisters, or journeymen? Yeah, he might be able to do that, but not a Lord Magister.
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It absolutely makes them resentful but I'm betting he still has the authority. Not having that authority would be very bad even with wizards.it probably would not be used often and only under dire circumstances but I'm betting it exists.
 
Tobtorp said:
i will say that alric has a very direct way of hurting us. recalling the light wizards should be absolutely in his power as head of the college. will he do that? no idea but thats a way to do it which he has total control over.
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Well, soon after that quote there's this...
Boney said:
"In any case, he seems to have found something there to keep him busy," Egrimm says, flipping through a handful of letters. "I don't like that I'm not hearing any more of it. It would be just like him to manage some last-minute comeback and yank all his puppets back into line."

"If it comes to that, I can make it more trouble than it's worth to pull you away from the project. We've got one of the most prominent Runelords of the Karaz Ankor personally involved, as well as an Elven Archmage who was old when Sigmar was young. Nobody's going to want to uproot such a promising tree before it bears fruit."

"Mm," Egrimm says, clearly unconvinced. "Let's hope it doesn't come to that."
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It is implied here that even if Alric somehow managed to claw back to power, we could still try and protect Egrimm from being pulled away from the project. And this was before we negotiated with Mira and got Egrimm to be a Lord Magister.

Alric's influence has only decayed more since then. I think it is very unlikely for him to be able to get back the kind of pull he needs to pull some shenanigans against the Project, and even if he somehow pulled it off, it would be very costly for him, considering the kinds of people he'd be pissing off.
 
Tobtorp said:
It absolutely makes them resentful but I'm betting he still has the authority. Not having that authority would be very bad even with wizards.it probably would not be used often and only under dire circumstances but I'm betting it exists.
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He probably was forced to relinquish that power to Mira. I mean why else he would be runing around the Empire looking for a big win? Because he lost it otherwise he would send Mira and her follower all over the place and dig in himself in Altdorf.

Also Mira was sure of herself when she assigned 2 LM to our project. Alric has to beat her back before he can use any theorical power over the deployements. I am sure Mira would give us headsup if she loses like that.
 
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Hmm… question. There seems to be little doubt that we're going to make and deliver a full set of Orbs of Sorcery ourself. A grand presentation and gift to the Colleges as a whole: but that makes me wonder… what are we going to call them?

After all, these aren't just Orbs of Sorcery. These are Mathilde's Orbs of Sorcery. These are the Colleges' first human made set, distinctly separate from the ones Teclis left behind. These eight Orbs will be historical artifacts. If we don't take this opportunity to name them, either seperately or as a group, I will be terribly disappointed in the thread.
 
Tobtorp said:
It absolutely makes them resentful but I'm betting he still has the authority. Not having that authority would be very bad even with wizards.it probably would not be used often and only under dire circumstances but I'm betting it exists.
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Yeah, but can he risk it? Alienating two LMs will hurt him politically in his fight with Mira. We don't know the exact mechanism Light College uses to choose their leadership, but I'm pretty sure that a vote of no confidence from the Lord Magisters can end his tenure de-facto if not de-jure and two is the significant fraction of them.
 
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