I think it needs to be "The We" instead of just "We" to count.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Could we just... tell the We that they shouldn't read some books? It might take a bit of explaining, but I think they could understand how some knowledge can be a threat
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
I don't want the We to win for the reason of .... I would not want to go to that library, ever.
Minor arachnophobia, this is creating a space I could never bring myself to go to.
Minor arachnophobia, this is creating a space I could never bring myself to go to.
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You know what, stellar discussion on the last pages about what we want our library to be. I've been won over to the community side of things. (As much as it pains me to not have Hivemind Librarians or Dragon Librarians)
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On that note, while low literacy was common in medieval Europe, this is not a natural law of the time period. For WHF, we know Dwarves value this kind of basic education, and in real life, Tokugawa-era Japan for example had a >30% literacy rate. Not to mention that WHF is very clearly moving towards a semi-industrial era. If we compare this maybe to the mid 1700s, there were countries like the Netherlands boasting a 80%+ literacy rate at that point!
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On that note, while low literacy was common in medieval Europe, this is not a natural law of the time period. For WHF, we know Dwarves value this kind of basic education, and in real life, Tokugawa-era Japan for example had a >30% literacy rate. Not to mention that WHF is very clearly moving towards a semi-industrial era. If we compare this maybe to the mid 1700s, there were countries like the Netherlands boasting a 80%+ literacy rate at that point!
That trashy novels are a thing tells me it does in fact have cheap printing. Doing that by hand just isn't economic. Movable type isn't actually required. That really matters only for smaller print runs, or when you need it really fast (so, no newspaper). But when you just want to print a whole bunch of something, you can use immovable type just fine.
It's still cheaper with movable type, but then it's cheaper still with a modern printer, because cheap is relative. What matters is that the empire can produce books for entertainment sufficiently cheaply that an apprentice can afford them (the greys don't have a money economy, but if a book was multiple months wages, they wouldn't allow the trading, because that would send the wrong message). Which means at least the cities have a substantial literate population and reading purely for entertainment (including a "low class" sector) has become part of the culture.
They just sold to to the people who could afford high prices, such as nobles and notable burghers. Both in Europe and in China, trashy romances actually predate the invention of the printing press in their respective regions.
So no; the relative availability of trashy romance novels in one of the most book-dense locations in the Empire does not imply that books are cheap.
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Fayhem
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My personal headcanon is that the reason Dragomas both knows how to turn into an Imperial Dragon and secured a treaty with Cathay is because he romanced a princess (or prince?) of the Imperial family while he was in Cathay and they taught their boytoy some family tricks. And maybe shared some info about draconic development while they were at it - I doubt he left a lovechild in Cathay, but whoever he was shacking up with might have had a draconic nephew or niece or something that they talked about at some point.
I think she would care, actually, if only because the tithe requirement is lower for Magisters than for Journeymen and that's more money staying in her coffers. I suspect the barrier is more that without Mathilde's fast travel options it would probably be a months-long round trip just to go to Altdorf and back, and that's without considering that she'd probably want to take a few months in her College to prep before testing (as Mathilde did herself). So it's just highly inconvenient to her current commitments/priorities. She'll probably knock it out if she ever finds herself closer to the Empire is my theory.
I think that Ulthuan can make Orbs of Sorcery because the Great Vortex directly over Ulthuan is also technically a breach in the barrier between reality and the Warp. Canonically, the tops of mountains in Ulthuan have a very thin veil between reality and the Warp because they're closer to the Great Vortex, so IMO the high elves probably have some mountaintop manufacturing site for them somewhere in Ulthuan.
I also suspect that Teclis just sent back to Ulthuan to have some Orbs magically mailed to him and refused to explain to the humans where they came from, because elves love mysterious smugness just as much as Grey Wizards. Or, y'know, canonically the main use for Orbs of Sorcery in the Empire is for Battle Altars, and the whole point of Teclis' trip was to train the humans to use magic in battle to stop the Everchosen. It would have actually made a great deal of sense for him to bring equipment for that with him that he wouldn't be able to produce locally, and I don't think there's any particular evidence that powerstones/Orbs actually are particularly volatile.
Trashy novels are a thing in the apprentice wing of the magic colleges. Not sure if we should assume that is a sign of their wide popularity.
SuperSonicSound
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There's two ways to empower a wizards casting via a staff, first you increase their breadth of power by increasing the total amount of wind they can draw at once and the ease with which they can do so, secondly you refine their ability to control said power.
Adelas wand is basically a small wizards staff. It increases the amount of power she can draw to her.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
You know, there was talk about trying to make this process more efficient, and while we can't make the process take less AV .... I wonder if we can make the process work on more orbs at once?
Like, as far as I'm aware, Matties current design plan is a flat circle. A horizontal design, a horizontal circle, with the AV in the center.
So ..... what about a vertical circle as well?
I suppose it depends on how far the Power Stones need to be from the center of the circle? If there's a decent amount of distance, we should be able to fit in a verticle set, if all of them need to be like an inch away than it probably can't be done. Although, even then, I think we should be able to fit in one more underneath .... although winds tend to rise, so even if it's close enough it's physical location might prevent it from working.
So, maybe?
Fayhem
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There is only a certain amount of Wind for drop of AV. So if Mathilde make second set of stones, and winds will evenly distribute between them, stones will all grow, but twice slower.
Mopman43
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Teclis didn't set out with the specific plan of teaching humans, that happened after he met Magnus.
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It doesn't really
Using a power stone (or power mist in this case) by actually drawing on the Winds contained within it consumes the stone
Adela could probably use her wand as a battery supplying her extra power, but if she does that then she'll quickly burn out the wand in a single spell
Orbs are no different
All this is to say that power stones aren't very useful for direct spellcasting, they're used for enchantment projects
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Abby Normal
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Ericwinter
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…Welp, that's fucking terrifying. And while the powers don't exactly match, a Grey LM has plenty of others that would more than make up for it. Straight invisibility for one.
Also, I'm kinda curious how Mathilde doesn't have a reputation for being a magical brawler when she's wrecked entire battlefronts alone and murdered a Black College. Sure, they may not know about the Kurgan camp—or just attribute it to the Ice Witch—but we've done some big stuff publicly.
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We've done our personal fighting alone or at the edge of the world, mostly. Can't gain a reputation for things people don't see you do.
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Not all information spreads, or spreads evenly.
And certain amount of "holy fuck" is expected of a Lady Magister i would assume.
Zedman7054
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Ericwinter
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I guess? I would've thought that word would've gotten around after the Expedition of how Mathilde wrecked battle fronts even as a Magister. There was the fort thing early on, the clan Mors fortifications, the several greenskin territories she turned into utter chaos…
I guess they might have just assumed she was using small spells to great effect.
The Black College thing is top secret. As in there are probably less than ten people who know about it.
Ericwinter
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Yeah, but two of those are Algard and Dragomas, and I would honestly be amazed if Starke at least doesn't know. Considering the original question was what the Patriarchs and LMs think of Mathilde, it would probably be a consideration for at least a few of them, and the LMs aren't a very big group to begin with, let alone the Patriarchs.
Fayhem
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Do you have a source for that? I mean, according to the wiki Teclis didn't even decide to teach any humans until the war was completely over. Given that IIRC DL canon directly contradicts this, I'm not taking that as gospel. In fact, given the notorious unreliability of the wiki and the overall state of Warhammer lore in general, I wouldn't place any bets on there being only one "official canon" answer to this.
If anyone besides Ljiljana knew about her performance when she was fighting alongside Ljiljana, her rep might be different. But most of Mathilde's other impressive performance have been rather more in the wheelhouse of "typical" Grey Wizard shenanigans that were overwhelmingly stealth/sabotage based. In fact, when she got stuck in a straight-up brawl after assassinating that one Warboss, she nearly died against some random Orcs.
There's also the fact that I doubt Dwarves gossip a lot with humans in general, much less with (other) Wizards. Seriously, there's very little overlap between people who have seen even the results of Mathilde at peak performance (much less in action) and people who interact with actual denizens of the Empire.
Which was, in fact, largely correct from what I remember of each of those events.