Look, I'm a simple man, as long as we can get a Dragon drunk on dwarven beer at some point, I am happy. Perhaps by given the egg to Eldyra it would happen.

Assuming Eldyra is still alive...she has already made friends with a Star Dragon. She didn't ride him because it wouldn't do for a squire to upstage their knight. But once she's knighted she'll probably ride him.

If you want the dragon to appreciate alcohol, give the egg to Kerillian, the 'Queen of Ales' herself.

I do hope Freddy and Kerillian get the chance to go on a massive tavern crawl.
 
I do hope Freddy and Kerillian get the chance to go on a massive tavern crawl.
She fought at our side. It's basically tradition by now. We shall invite her to Wulfenburg and have a grand drinking tour. Then, to make it worthwhile to Asrai sensibilities, she may look upon our tree child and stare at its bark in awe.
 
I can imagine in an alternate future where she has to deal with an vermintide (just not in the end of times one since even GW is realizing it was a mistake and is likely to undo it) she get in a common ground with the dwarf by mentioning she really needs a drinking binge on ostoland when they are done with the rats.
 
If we are talking about Aurelion's ex-fiance Khalanos... I don't wanna make-up with him.
Prince Khalanos of Caledor [2/10]
He's a Dragon Prince of Ulthuan. Caledor.
We don't have any plans with the egg.
He's going to be alive a long time. Time he might use to screw with us or our descendants.
Lets just make up with him so we don't have problems we can't outlive.
He's rather influential and famous too.

2/10 means he's ready to kill us without risking himself.
But hey. Elves LOVE DRAGONS.

Alternative:
We can give the egg to the Eonir because they probably don't have dragons but remember.
They already like us LOADS. There's not much else they can do for us.

Anyone else would probably just harvest the reagents or eat the egg.
 
Dude i woul rather try to mend bridges with guntar... This prince (read dragon rider) is a complete dipshit and while Freddy is not that famous to the phoenix throne any action against him or even his descendants would put him on the shitlist of some very important asur.
Freddy is the definition of not worth the trouble for him.
If he was a druichi i would be more concerned but as asur he have to risk too much.
 
I think the biggest use we could have for this dragon, would be for him to be raised as a guardian for the middle mountains.
There's some shit there that would be good having a immortal guardian watching for.
 
I think the biggest use we could have for this dragon, would be for him to be raised as a guardian for the middle mountains.
There's some shit there that would be good having a immortal guardian watching for.

We'd still have to raise and feed that dragon, cause we can't let it just hunt around the area willy-nilley, the common folk would never stand for that, and then we'd be obligated to kill it when it inevitably kills someone or eats the commoners animals or something, cause it's a Black Dragon and those things are born to kill, and that hits the same issue of dragons being prohibitively expensive to keep, especially for a single province that is also not absurdly wealthy.
 
Dude i woul rather try to mend bridges with guntar... This prince (read dragon rider) is a complete dipshit and while Freddy is not that famous to the phoenix throne any action against him or even his descendants would put him on the shitlist of some very important asur.
Freddy is the definition of not worth the trouble for him.
If he was a druichi i would be more concerned but as asur he have to risk too much.
Me too. But a dragon egg won't help Gunthar like Fredrick more.
I think the biggest use we could have for this dragon, would be for him to be raised as a guardian for the middle mountains.
There's some shit there that would be good having a immortal guardian watching for.
Griffon upkeep= 2500/year
Dragon Upkeep=upwards of 5kGold
NOT WORTH IT.
I too want to keep a dragon around.
We simply cannot afford it.
 
I don't think the eggs were tainted. Wasn't it the Druchii corrupting and torturing rhem?

The thing is that the Black Dragons have been for thousands of years exposed to Dhar which has not only warped their bodies but also their minds. They are vicious, spiteful creatures who are in many ways a reflection of how the Dark Elf's are the Elves at their worst. They are going to be on average much less likely to give any being they consider less then themselves any consideration. We could try raising one but I would say it would be better to turn the egg over to the High Elves.

Fredrick already has a homegrown imperial bird that has proven itself superior to a dragon I say we toss the egg to Eldyra when she shows up. She always wanted to be a dragon rider.

In all difference to our Griffion she had a lot of help especially the magic that our opponent did not have to help her.

Guys, I really can't believe people see an egg and go "dragon for us!"

We are on or nearing the final step of a critical battle, Tullaris of all people is after us, and Frederick has a history of leveraging assisting factors to win against deadly individuals since as far back as the first battle of Salkaten.

The most accurate response is something along the lines of "omelet time"

We don't have the Knowledge or skills necessary to turn into a quick power up plus that's a good way to lose our High Elf friend.

This hole battle is basically an sequence of event that freddy looks to sardira goes "And now this is what kids call, a pro gamer move" then proceeds to brutalise and boogieman of her people.

About the dragon egg, i tempted to give it to the eonir they need a superweapon.

Without the Wood Elf's help the Dark Elf would have killed us so no I don't see her thinking of us as a bogeyman.

To move on from the dragon stuff, I was wondering, since Kerillian is a major Wood Elf outcast, anybody else think we have good odds of fully recruiting her to our retinue once the dust settles, and if we make it out alive? She is rather intrigued by Freddy, and will only be more interested in him as the battles go on.

The reason she is in Ostland is because she was curious and her exile is more then a hundred years in the future.

You lost me on the dumb lizard part, but yeah having a dragon is... Unatainable, that said giving it to the asur would not do much diference on the grand scheme of things.

If a dragon can grow up in Altdorf then one could grow up in Wulfenburg.

Me too. But a dragon egg won't help Gunthar like Fredrick more.

Griffon upkeep= 2500/year
Dragon Upkeep=upwards of 5kGold
NOT WORTH IT.
I too want to keep a dragon around.
We simply cannot afford it.

I have to ask how one Griffion can somehow out eat hundreds of Ogres and even if the Griffion costs 2,500 gold there is no guarantee that a Dragon would cost over 5,000 a year.
 
Me too. But a dragon egg won't help Gunthar like Fredrick more.
I don't think it would help with the pince too trough, like he is a Arogant prick that would probably see the flex for what it is. Now the elven kingdom that he is from probably will get some positive rep by the fact we kull Caledor's bane, we could even sen his skull with the pointy hat as a present. But the reason that i advocate to keep the dragon with the eonir is A- if the province is really fucked we could call on the eonir to help because is is a treat to ostoland is a treat to laureon, and B they are better equiped to keep a dragon since elves and magic.
 
If we are talking about Aurelion's ex-fiance Khalanos... I don't wanna make-up with him.

It's not about making up - from his perspective it's barely any time since we punched him and ruined his plans - and here we are smugly announcing with a Handmaiden of the Everqueen to vouch that we slew Caledor's Bane, oh, and here's a black dragon egg we saved, a sacred object that we'll just give to you.

He's totally arrogantly pissed already, now we just one-upped him in the hugest of ways and worst, he and his House are going to be so indebted that the idea of retaliation is unthinkable. It will burn in his craw worse than a Magma Wyrm and it will be glorious.
 
It's not about making up - from his perspective it's barely any time since we punched him and ruined his plans - and here we are smugly announcing with a Handmaiden of the Everqueen to vouch that we slew Caledor's Bane, oh, and here's a black dragon egg we saved, a sacred object that we'll just give to you.

He's totally arrogantly pissed already, now we just one-upped him in the hugest of ways and worst, he and his House are going to be so indebted that the idea of retaliation is unthinkable. It will burn in his craw worse than a Magma Wyrm and it will be glorious.

Even looking at it that way, it'd still be giving a baby dragon to be raised by a complete asshole. The poor thing doesn't deserve that.
 
I have to ask how one Griffion can somehow out eat hundreds of Ogres and even if the Griffion costs 2,500 gold there is no guarantee that a Dragon would cost over 5,000 a year.

It's simple math. First off, we aren't paying for the Ogres every meal, they're paid a salary and they participate in the economy, feed themselves, etc. Oskana isn't necessarily out-eating them, we just have to pay for her every meal (which is like, a cow a day) straight out of pocket.

For the dragon, that's again just math. We know that how much Oskana eats and the cost of it is based off her size. We also know that dragons are larger and eat more than griffins. I'll also note, Oskana's price is more like 4000, it's just reduced thanks to favorable deals and alternative payment methods (like the prestige of feeding your Elector Count's Griffon).

If we actually use Torroar's example price scale of 10 gold per cow/per day, and we say the dragon eats maybe two cows per day, since it's probably gonna eat more than her, that's 20 gold a day, 394 days a year, which comes out to 7,880 gold a year to feed one dragon. Maybe if it eats a bit less, maybe just 1.5 cows a day, that's 5,910 gold a year. Hell, even if I'm wrong and it just eats as much as Oskana, that's another 4000 gold a year, so 8k just to feed two animals. I have also not accounted for the Oskar tax either, because I forgot until this exact moment that we are feeding two griffins already.

Even looking at it that way, it'd still be giving a baby dragon to be raised by a complete asshole. The poor thing doesn't deserve that.

I'll be the first to say that giving the egg to Khalanos is a waste, but this is just incorrect. He's still a prince of Caledor, so at the very least he's guaranteed to be a very good parent to that dragon no matter what. Worst case scenario for the dragon is that it grows up to be an insufferable prick, but that's just called being from Caledor so it's expected anyway. I just would rather give the theoretical eggs to people we actually like.
 
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Eitherways, it is a toss up between Eonir or Asur, though seeing the aftermath, we prob should lean towards the Asur for the dosh.
 
Really hope to see Urgdug face off against those monsters with his main weapon since pretty sure he would reduce most to bloody chunks with a single hit.
 
We probably should see if we can set up more meat production if we want more high demand beasts really.
 
It's simple math. First off, we aren't paying for the Ogres every meal, they're paid a salary and they participate in the economy, feed themselves, etc. Oskana isn't necessarily out-eating them, we just have to pay for her every meal (which is like, a cow a day) straight out of pocket.

For the dragon, that's again just math. We know that how much Oskana eats and the cost of it is based off her size. We also know that dragons are larger and eat more than griffins. I'll also note, Oskana's price is more like 4000, it's just reduced thanks to favorable deals and alternative payment methods (like the prestige of feeding your Elector Count's Griffon).

If we actually use Torroar's example price scale of 10 gold per cow/per day, and we say the dragon eats maybe two cows per day, since it's probably gonna eat more than her, that's 20 gold a day, 365 days a year, which comes out to 7,300 gold a year to feed one dragon. Maybe if it eats a bit less, maybe just 1.5 cows a day, that's 5,475 gold a year. Hell, even if I'm wrong and it just eats as much as Oskana, that's another 4000 gold a year, so 8k just to feed two animals. I have also not accounted for the Oskar tax either, because I forgot until this exact moment that we are feeding two griffins already.
Why does she eat so much? Entire Lion Prides don't eat that much.
Most animals only hunt when hungry. A quick google search shows that while a Male lion can eat 45kg of meat a day (but usually only does 8-7 kg's) While they weigh 180kg (male). Lets just round that off to 200Kg and that's roughly a quarter of it's weight.

And while I can understand that while she's constantly exercising and is considerably larger than a normal griffon, eating a whole cow should be beyond her.
A whole modern cow would be like 700kg.
Even if an Ostland cow is half that weight(350kg)
She'd still be consuming the equivalent of half her body weight.
YEs she'd eat the bones.

How big is our ride if she eats a whole cow?????
Dragon size?
 
Why does she eat so much? Entire Lion Prides don't eat that much.
Most animals only hunt when hungry. A quick google search shows that while a Male lion can eat 45kg of meat a day (but usually only does 8-7 kg's) While they weigh 180kg (male). Lets just round that off to 200Kg and that's roughly a quarter of it's weight.

And while I can understand that while she's constantly exercising and is considerably larger than a normal griffon, eating a whole cow should be beyond her.
A whole modern cow would be like 700kg.
Even if an Ostland cow is half that weight(350kg)
She'd still be consuming the equivalent of half her body weight.
YEs she'd eat the bones.

How big is our ride if she eats a whole cow?????
Dragon size?

There's a size chart on the post I linked to, griffins are about 390 cm tall, which is larger than an elephant, and likely weighs more two, as a google search says large male elephants are 290 cm tall, and weigh 5 short tons. She is also a giant carnivorous fantasy bird lion mix so she can't graze and shit too, it has to be all meat (and just think, she's still smaller than a dragon as well!). She can and has devoured an entire cow in a day. I doubt these are like, hard hard numbers where she is eating exactly one cow a day, Torroar's post made it clear it was primarily example numbers so we could wrap our heads around it, and the reality is more like some days she may not eat a whole cow, other days she might eat two or more. She's also a domesticated animal that doesn't need to hunt, she's just handed a cow a day to keep her in absolute peak condition. It's like how your dog always has at least one bowl of kibble a day, just swap kibble with cows.

In conclusion, griffins are huge and dragons are huger and it makes Freddy's wallet cry

Side note, I just realized I used irl year time instead of Warhammer Fantasy, which is 394 days in a year. As such, the example math for a dragon would be
Two cows: 7880 a year
1.5 cows: 5910 a year
 
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By maths, its prob cheaper to build more vapor tanks.

(Honestly, most of the monstous cav problem runs into long term cost.)
 
A Dragon and Oskana have one ability that validates all the upkeep. They can fly. That's incredibly valuable not just on the battlefield, but more so off the battlefield and for transportation. Now the thing is, we already have said ability to fly.

There's no need to spend money on something we have already covered. You'd basically be spending money on a second private helicopter, yes?
 
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