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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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The least amount of gold of all the options and we probably are going to need a lot of gold soon to repair all the damages we just took.
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The lance is not magical and the Eonir have specialliists to handle black dragon flesh. The druchii loot we are aware of is an opportunity to boost relations with groups Freddy has access to through hard won connections. Or we can just hand it over to any wizard who comes showing up whenever we get to the point we can dish out the loot, if we can get to dish out the loot. Freddy hasn't won the black arks attack at Salkalten yet.
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Yeah, but looking at this quest we can see that, boons, gift, and favours are much more worthy than gold 99.99% of the times...
Imperious
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Fair enough on the lance then, since we have Word of God that it's not tainted. However when it comes to the dragons' remains torroar told us the Eonir would want it for use of Dhar which IMO is hardly something we should be encouraging or aiding the Eonir in using.
The thing is that I don't actually consider Druchi loot to be a reward or a gift.
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Selling one of the Dragons works just as well.
The Eonir came through for us with gifts befitting our deeds and returning the favor not to get even, but as a show of equal partnership? That has weight. Much more weight than whatever gold Caledor can shit out of it ass.
Also, the battle isn't over yet, so who knows what other loot is going to fall into our hands. Funniest case? We somehow manage to kill Tullaris. At that point the Phoenix Court will give us more money than is possible for his no doubt Khaine infested sword.
That's fair and something I can get behind. From a human perspective at least. I'm for selling one Dragon carcass and preparing the other for a banquet.
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Well, the motherfucker is actively hunting Freddy's head, and it is unlikely that he will call off the attack before he gets it...
So at this point either we got that loot, or Freddy dies...
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No we must not, let's not suggest something like that shall we?
No we must not, let's not suggest something like that shall we?
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Given recent word of god I'd be in favor of selling the tainted Dragon corpses to the Dwarfs. I'm less picky about who to give the lance to now that we know it's not tainted. While our Runefang is good enough that we have no use of the lance for ourself, having it be the weapon of a position of some sort of Ostland champion, selling it to the Eonir, or selling it to the Gold College seem like they'd be fine choices. Maybe Caledor if they offer something REALLY nice for it.
Deciding to eat the dragons is something I'm not in favor of. Even if the Esmeraldans will do all they can to try purify them first, I'm not in favor of taking such a risk to begin with.
Giving the dragon bodies to the Eonir is also something I'm very much not in favor of. It seems like it would just be encouraging the worst of their habits.
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I don't think its our place or right to dictate our values to others who do not share them , if the wood elves can do and have been doing for centuries Dhar safe enough then who are we to tell them otherwise besides nothing we do or say is ever gonna make them drop it so may as well reap the benefits
They didn't favor any of them over the others, not really. And no, they just were visually distinct compared to the Wu. Azyr was used most heavily with the Maw. Dhar was involved, but not heavily favored by the Shu.
Ortrud knew what she was swearing to.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Except they haven't been using Dhar "safe enough". That's the point. Wood Elf Dhar usage has been a major bane to at least Athel Loren and is part of why they tend to be so insufferable to humans some of time. It may not be our place to dictate to Wood Elves our values, but it can be our place to decide who we want to sell Dhar tainted artifacts to and this thread is certainly my place to voice my own opinion on such.
As for reaping the benefits, that human nations of the Old World also end up reaping the benefits of the Old World's forests being corrupted is in fact something of the point, or at least part of it.
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Our artillery is the only thing we have with the range to immediately occupy and deal with the enemy artillery, correct?
Our fliers are still occupied and contesting the skies.
Until the enemy artillery is actually destroyed, letting them target as they please with impunity is extremely reckless. They're taking us seriously now and will aim for the ideal targets that will help them win. Any plan or resulting advantage we hope to gain could be wiped out by a well placed artillery barrage.
That could happen regardless, rolls being what they are, but having our artillery counter theirs is at least a chance of preventing that rather than just hoping the uncontested Druchii artillery miss whatever they're aiming for.
Our fliers are still occupied and contesting the skies.
Until the enemy artillery is actually destroyed, letting them target as they please with impunity is extremely reckless. They're taking us seriously now and will aim for the ideal targets that will help them win. Any plan or resulting advantage we hope to gain could be wiped out by a well placed artillery barrage.
That could happen regardless, rolls being what they are, but having our artillery counter theirs is at least a chance of preventing that rather than just hoping the uncontested Druchii artillery miss whatever they're aiming for.
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Hypothetical Possible TT Stat line - Blackout
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Nothing official (that I know of), but here's something I whipped up over the coffee break:
| M | WS | BS | S | T | W | I | A | LD | |
| Frederick | 4 | 6(7) | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 10 |
| Oskana | 6 | 5 | 0 | 6 | 5(10) | 5 | 4 | 4 | 7 |
Unit Type (Frederick): Infantry (Special Character)
Unit Type (Oskana): Monster
Special Rules (Frederick):
Hold the Line
Stubborn
Immune to Psychology
Special Rules (Oskana)
Fly
Large Target
Terror
Bloodroar
Armour Piercing
Equipment (Frederick):
Full Plate Armour: Confers a 4+ Armour Save.
Brain Wounder: Magical Weapon. All hits from this weapon wound automatically with no armour saves allowed.
Light of Summer: Talisman. Confers Regeneration (4+).
Bokdrungni: Magic Armour. Confers a 6+ Ward Save, +1 to Armour Save and a bonus to Weapon Skill already factored into statline. In addition, every time this model is the target of an enemy spell, roll a dice after Dispel attempts have been made. On a roll of a 6+, the controlling player may select a new target for the spell instead, treating this model as the caster for the purposes of lines of sight. Then resolve the spell as normal.
Equipment (Oskana):
Runic Breastplate: Magic Armour. Bonus to Toughness already factored into statline.
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I agree. And they have high incentive to take ours out after the bombardments they've walked through.
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Being fair, I'm like 90% sure the only reason Freddy got anything was because we got, in order- Grombrindal's approval, helped save the High King from death alongside the Axe of Grimnir from the belly of a squig, destroyed the False Throne of Power, was involved in making sure that the Throne of Power and Dammaz Kron got out of the depths of Karak Ungor, and helped fulfill the dynastic oath of the Slayer Kings.
I'm like 95% certain that Ortrud walked out with the gratitude of every dwarf involved and probably the same oaths Freddy got cementing her as a Dawongr to all the participating Dwarf Holds, but she didn't do quite as much as Freddy did during Karak Ungor. Still did a lot! Just not as much as Freddy.
Also, on the rewards front- while it'd be fun to piss off the Druchii more, I don't quite want to have them post 'slay this bloodline for X amount of gold'. As of right now, we're probably 'just' on 'slay this man for X amount of gold'- and I'd like to keep it that way. I don't necessarily want our entire bloodline to earn the eternal enmity of the Druchii- so my current votes are something like 'give the lance to the Gold College' and 'give the dragon corpses to the Eonir' to boost our relations with those two. The Esmerelda vote doesn't do anything except for 'piss off the Druchii'. The Esmereldans would probably be grateful and we'd probably get an eternity of good meals until the day we died, but I kind of want to get along even better with the Eonir- especially since Naraiel's- an elf- has actually sent us people to help fight!
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Do we really want to leave the enemy artillery uncontested? Especially considering Oskana +our wife and the Whitewings are flying about?
Secure aerial dominance, remove a potent caster, and deal a devastating psychological blow to Frederick? I can see the Druuchi going for it.
I'll remind you these are repeater bolt throwers, much better than our cannons at shooting a small number of fast moving targets. And they probably have experience targeting flying creatures just by dint of their environment, nevermind taking on Uthuan's own menagerie.
The more I think about it the more convinced I am! They have PLENTY of experience against flying foes.
Secure aerial dominance, remove a potent caster, and deal a devastating psychological blow to Frederick? I can see the Druuchi going for it.
I'll remind you these are repeater bolt throwers, much better than our cannons at shooting a small number of fast moving targets. And they probably have experience targeting flying creatures just by dint of their environment, nevermind taking on Uthuan's own menagerie.
The more I think about it the more convinced I am! They have PLENTY of experience against flying foes.
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Or the druchii artillery might aim for the flagellants as they charge before they can even do any good. Or take out our cavalry. Or take out our artillery that's focused elsewhere and then they go hog wild on us.
Or they could do all those things, because the enemy artillery will not be contested at all if ours isn't aiming focusing on them.
If the enemy has artillery, the point of your artillery is to counter theirs until the enemy no longer has it. If ours is focusing on something else there's NOTHING stopping the druchii artillery from hitting anything they want.
However, if we focus our artillery on theirs and they make the mistake of aiming for another target as that happens, we have a greater chance of removing their artillery for good and then ours has free reign over the long range application of death.
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People I think are viewing things from the lens of the recent combat and aiming to develop on that, as opposed to considering that the enemy artillery is a wholly new element that changes the game entirely.
If nothing else they could simply engage in their own counterbattery fire unmolested and then we've gone and focused on the masses for nothing because we have no artillery left but they do, and we will have nothing barring a suicidal aerial attack to threaten them.
If nothing else they could simply engage in their own counterbattery fire unmolested and then we've gone and focused on the masses for nothing because we have no artillery left but they do, and we will have nothing barring a suicidal aerial attack to threaten them.
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That makes no sense to me. You act based on the most up to date information on the battlefield. The enemy artillery being present now fundamentally changes what the druchii can accomplish and that needs to be accounted for.
Their range has increased. The only counter we have to that currently, the only way to reach and stop that, is our own artillery. So not addressing that is an invitation for our artillery to be wiped out by theirs, because then we'd have ansolutely no way to target theirs as they proceed to attack everything else from range.
I'd like to kill more druchii too, but we can do that by making sure our artillery destroys theirs (and then we can redirect it) or at least keep their artillery from attacking our troops and walls with no way to stop them.
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i reakon giving the lance to the golds is a good idea the empire equiping more of the troops with enchanted gear is a massive boosts to it's elite units imagine a unit of demigripths with enchanted lances made by the gold college the eonir only want to let one person use that lance the golds want to reverse engineer it and make thousands of weaker but still useful weapons from it's secrets
or perhaps we just get gold from calador
or perhaps we just get gold from calador
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For the record, there's no guarantee that the Esmeraldans would succeed in purifying it. It's just an option that they could try. As mentioned, they haven't really done anything 'big' in terms of showings. Like, Ulric blew the top off a mountain, has his Sacred Flame, supposedly fought off the Chaos Gods alone that one time, Sigmar is obvious, so on and so forth. If they succeed, potentially large boost to Esmeralda and the Cult of Esmeralda. If they fail, well, probably still some interest in the resulting stuff by the Eonir and certain Wizards of the Gold College.
Just saying.
Just saying.
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I'm kind of repeating myself but imagine this: we kill a lot of Druuchi with our artillery. Then we kill less. Then we kill even less. At this point, ideally we start to realize we can't let our artillery keep getting scrapped so shift fire to the enemy artillery, but they have our number so we're taking losses as we reorient. We counterfire, but the enemy numbers on their side at this point, and we're worn away in a battle of attrition.
Now the enemy artillery fires, more on our side are dying and less on theirs because we have no artillery. And we're in (more) trouble.
Or they just kill our wife…
[] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
has our artillery focusing on their artillery.
Now the enemy artillery fires, more on our side are dying and less on theirs because we have no artillery. And we're in (more) trouble.
Or they just kill our wife…
[] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
has our artillery focusing on their artillery.
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