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A Bit on Fate Points vs. Fortune Points
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I just checked and it is not, in fact, in the FAQ, at least on an immediate cursory reading.
So!
A Fate Point is, for DoDA purposes, the literal tilting of the scales, a mussing up of the fabric of reality, a skip forward and backwards and sideways in the corkscrew of time and space. We all know how the laws of physics and reality basically become less laws and more suggestions, suggestions that can become ignored, in the universes of Warhammer, whether 40k, Fantasy, or AoS. It's because the Warp/Immaterium/Realm of Chaos/Realm of the Gods/Realms of whatever the heck they call 'em in AoS, directly underlays and intersects and in some places overwhelms 'reality' as we know it. That's what the magic is, the influence of the Gods, the manifestation of daemons and entities and so on.
We get to see the Gods do it all the time, really.
A Sigmarite Priest summons, to the naked eye, a giant two-tailed meteor ex nihilo that appears from the heavens and drives it down like a rocket that explodes. A Shallyan priestess places her hands to someone's head, and regardless of their neurochemistry and neurological scarring caused from PTSD and genetic predispositions and can straight up cure their insanity. A Cultist of Tzeentch begs for favor and attention through a spell, and that the mob chasing him are mutated into terrifying creatures bonded by fleshy ropes that turn them into some kind of mega rat-king intertwined beast. A skaven Grey Seer chitters the right words, waves their hands, sacrifices some warpstone, and kaflash all of a sudden he's teleported through reality to pop up fifty feet away.
The difference is, the level of effort and activation and generally weight of a Fate Point is the God not simply granting divine favor and attention to cast a spell from their Divine Lore, but to actively intervene themselves ever so slightly. Any more than that, they usually cannot do, as the Gods acting so heavily upon the world would be like pressing a heavy weight to a paper map.
It might, well.
Tear.
The Dark Gods play around with it, tearing open portals as they wish, because bwahaha, evil, and they'll let loose an entire daemonic legion out of the Realm of Chaos as it corrupts the land and despoils the world around them because, like, that's their jam.
The non-Chaos Gods, on the other hand, try to preserve the world that their followers you know sort of exist on and also like to exist on, to a certain extent. And, functionally, they're just not as omnipresently strong as the Dark Gods are, in a lot of ways. They can stand up to them, hurt them, but are simply not as 'Broad' as a divine conceptual being on a metaphysical level, to go at them as pure equals most of the time. Those kinds of clashes take place in the Realm of Chaos/Realm of the Gods, because if they happened out in the regular world, well, shit, most of the time your mortals would be fucked. And a settlement of, say, Sigmar worshippers trying to make it in the Chaos Wastes is simply not going to work for any number of reasons.
So Fortune Points are small, wispy things, that can alter a single roll. You can get roll on the one thing or not, right? But they are effectively echoes of a Fate Point, by comparison.
See, a single Fortune Point might make you raise your shield in time when you weren't, or make a cavalry charge more effective, or so on. Maybe you dodge this or that.
A Fate Point, however, is a grander act, a far more potent thing. A fortune point might save you from certain death by rerolling an exchange of blades, this is true. But a Fate Point works on a wider scale. It saves you from being dragged away and executed, for on reason or another. Generally, Fate Points are outright full destiny alterations. Two examples are given in the more recent WHF rulebook, which is 'knocked out, left for dead, swept away by a river, or otherwise taken out of action; your character will survive, no matter the fatal incident's circumstances, but takes no further part in the current encounter'. The other is the more somehow avoids an immediate death but you are still in the fight, a fluke such as a blow slipping or whatever. You continue on, but no survival is guaranteed. It's a choice between the two, it seems, based on the rulebook.
But obviously, Warhammer being Warhammer, one always must pick and choose and decide for themselves what they are using and what makes more sense for them as a GM in-game.
To gain Fate Points is something else altogether. You only got it this time around because of a anniversary/boon roll sort of thing after many years. In WHF roleplaying, it's mean to come after significant important adventures. At the conclusion of them, or are otherwise granted for truly exceptional doings or favor from the Gods.
One could argue that surviving as Frederick has is some version of that, given how the dice have done for him. For instance, the last Fate Point ended up being inserted as a direct favor from Isha Herself, because of Frederick's intervening and aid to both of her Avatars in one fashion or another. Also, retroactively (but does such a thing really exist to Gods who exist in a realm where time and space are not so easily defined?) by helping save Ariel again from Drycha. She then used it in a fashion appropriate for her, that being to preach a single powerful impulse of compassion and love, which drove Hultressa who had been pickling in her own bitterness, grief, self-loathing, outward hatreds, and more after being denied safety and succor by the Shadow King who she had helped dozens of times before. She was close to giving up and just surrendering herself to the existence she'd used as a mask for a thousand years, and instead was inspired by Isha to hold on for one fucking last try at getting out and more importantly saving her daughter.
If the Fate Point had come from another God, it would have been a different intervention, though the result might have been similar. It might not have been, as well.
Like, technically, if we were to strictly and only use WHFRPG's latest edition, Frederick would probably have gotten a Fate Point after each major campaign, Nordland, Vampire War, etc. But we aren't, so we haven't, so he doesn't. Frederick's repeated survival is a mixture of his own inherent stubbornness, yes, but also very emphatically his connections and friendships, allies, associations with others. Access to magical healing, priestly connections for healing, and so on. Being restored by an Arcane Fulcrum-mantled Aurelion. Teclis potion after the Battle of Three Armies. Being seen to by Runelords, Wizard Lords, Priests, and more during Karak Ungor. So on and so on.
Without all of these things, through diplomacy and chance, he would most definitely been dead long ago.
Rolls only go so far, are only part of the picture, it is the actions and results of Frederick's actions - as well as that and those of others - which is responsible for a great deal and that should never be forgotten.
So, does that mean in January 2025, Frederick will gain 1 fate point for the quest 10 years anniversary?
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probably should put something here...
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The power of friendship was the key all along!
I mean the Fate point gave us an Druchii "Friend", so we can't beat the allegation no more
I mean the Fate point gave us an Druchii "Friend", so we can't beat the allegation no more
And now she's constantly flabbergasted at how this IMPOSSIBILITY MADE MANIFEST keeps slapping her in the face with silly silly revelations that she's decided to go FACE TO WINDSHIELD and try to bluff her way to acquiring a handmaiden without a fight.
Good job Fredrick.
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One might even say it's the culmination of Freddy's unique brand of diplomacy.
The epitome - of Freddyplomacy.
Definetly including Ungor, and mayby even Bugsman, If he ever end up in Glitering Realm.
View: https://youtu.be/1viMWZkfQJs?si=-klgf9ZhURDb-2nY
Freddy slash what the rest of the empire thinks about all the problems this year has brought
By the way what year is it again? Because legit this has been one of the most hectic years yet
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She will devinetly need a therapy after that. And enough alcohol to
2344?
and I feel ya, man . Shit's crazy
On that note, who's left in Empire outside of Ostland? Reikmarshal? Graf of Middenland? Al-Ulric?
Sword of Justise is stuck in Marienburg, and High priest of Morr readies in Ostland... just forgot who is where
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- Somewhere
1 out of 3 state armies in Reikland - No Elector Count or Runefang
0 of 2 State Armies from Wissenland - No Elector Count or Runefangs
0 of 2 State Armies from Stirland - No Elector Count or Runefangs
0 of 4 State Armies of Averland - No Elector Count or Runefangs, no heir, no stockpilled Hohenzollern stuff
0 of 3 State Armies of Westerland
??? of ??? State Armies of Ostland, 0 Elector Count of Ostland
??? of ??? State Armies of Nordland, 1 Elector Count of Nordland Stephan von Kessel
??? of ??? State Armies of Ostermark, 1 Elector Count of Ostermark Ortrud von Hertwig
??? of ??? State Armies of Hochland, 1 Elector Count of Hochland? Hans Ludenhof
??? of ??? State Armies of the Moot,
??? of ??? State Armies of Middenland, 1 Elector Count of Middenland – Gunthar von Bildhofen
??? of ??? State Armies of Talabecland, 1 Elector Count of Talabecland –Adolf Fuerbach, 1 Duke Krugar Fuerbach - Heir
No Magnus the Pious, no Ghal Maraz
No Imperial Foot
No Knights Griffon
No Reiksguard, No Reiksmarshal Fuerbach, No Runefang of the Drakwald
No Grand Theogonist Molatok
0 Arch-Lector Thorgad
0 Arch-Lector Kasmir
0 Knightly Order of Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb
0 Knightly Order of Knights of the Hammer
0 Knightly Order of Order of the Hammers of Sigmar
0 Knightly Order of Knights Panther
0 Knightly Order of Knights of Sigmar's Blood
0 Knightly Order of the Jade Griffon
0 Knightly Order of the Red Griffon
0 Knightly Order of Knights of the Fiery Heart
?? Knights of the Divine Sword
?? Knights of the Cleansing Flame
0 Knightly Order of the Order of the Black Bear
0 Knightly Order of the Golden Lion
0 Knightly Order of the Sacred Scythe
0 Knightly Order of the Broken Sword
?? Detachment of the Knights Encarmine
0 Knightly Order of the Black Rose
0 Knightly Order of Glinting Steel
?? Free Knights, either from very small Orders or fully Independent
?? Detachment of Knights Mariner
1/2 of all the Empire's White Wolves
0 Knightly Order of the Vengeful Sun
??? Flagellants that will come out of the woodwork
??? zealot citizenry who will abandon their lives to become soldiers for this single act of Sigmarite faith
??? Sisters of Sigmar Warrior Nuns of extreme zealotry
0 Battle Wizard Detachments from all 8 Magical Colleges
0 Matriarch Hildegaard of the Jade Order
0 Matriarch Gehenna of the Golden Order
0 Patriarch Caelum of the Celestial Order
0 Patriarch Gunther of the Amethyst Order
1 Supreme Patriarch Volans of the Light Order
1 Patriarch Baldor of the Amber Orde
1 Patriarch Friedrich von Tarnus of the Bright Order
1 Matriarch Bruna of the Grey Order
??? Wizard Detachments from all 8 Magical Colleges including Wizard Lords, Magisters, Journeymen, Apprentices
??? Warrior Priests of Sigmar, Ulric, Morr, Myrmidia, Verena, and Taal
3? Vapor Tanks
0 Celestial Hurricanum [Celestial College Battle Altar]
0 Luminarks of Hysh [Light College Battle Altar]
0 Amethyst Mortisiary [Amethyst College Battle Altar]
0 Golden Metallus Altar [Gold College Battle Altar]
0 Arbus Vitaerus of Ghyran [Jade College Battle Altar]
0 Ignusarum of Aqshy [Bright College Battle Altar]
1 Ar-Ulric Logan Kron
0 High Matriarch Maghda Sprenger
1 Eagle of the North Boris Hirtzeller
There somewhat rough, but the Empire is empty right now of a lot of fighting power. That recent Magnus von Hohenzollern interlude covered the Imperial strength right now. One of the smarter options could be to get allies in Norsca for the fight in the Empire, or just go home as soon as possible by sea with nothing to really show for backup or aid apart from Freddy and group.
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Disagreeing on Battle altars of Colleges, they should have few saved up or in assembly...
And we do know the state of Ostland.
Other options would either be Brittoninans or Asrai.
The wood elvs are already helping or aware and not acting. As for Bretonia, there might be some honor debt, but also Mussilion might be a problem that stops them, like when they wanted to help Estalia only for orks to mess with them.
There is a miniscule chance with Tileans fixing river of Echos early, but that is not something bet worthy.
That leave the suddenly rising heros of the common people... Admittedly it is something that happens, but most of those will not live lon enough.
It does however proves that the teoretical highest authority in Empire emergency force is Gunthar von Bildhofen and Al-Ulric with Cult of Ulric behind them... both of witch are stuck in Midenheim. leaving us with... Eagle of the North Boris Hirtzeller? as highest theological presence? Followed by any Elector that can make a recovery like Hohenzolenrs and Fuerbachs.
Could be better.
Which was why I (wrongfully after misreading the various wikis on Taal) believed and hoped that the Talabacland Hierarch was something of a "Highest Authority" among the Cult of Taal and could use the sway of Taal being "The King of the Gods" to help Marshall, organise and retaliate against the Beastmen.
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By the way, is that something that could even happen in the quest?
I mean, we did aid in centralising the following of Morr into a more coherent organisation with a High Priest in charge, could something similar happen to the Cult of Taal and Ryha without Hohenzollern involvement?
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Sadly, Cult of Taal is even more 'headless' than that of Mannan or pre-Arthur-Morr. Meaning, he can rally all of Talabecland, outside of that... knights of the round table minus king. So not good.
Afraid that most of the Empire is on Survival stage of dealing with beasttide menace. Leaving actuall dealing with problem part to anyone able really.
Now the question is: Are the beastmen going to intecept the Ostland intervention?
Afraid that most of the Empire is on Survival stage of dealing with beasttide menace. Leaving actuall dealing with problem part to anyone able really.
Now the question is: Are the beastmen going to intecept the Ostland intervention?
The Cult of Taal is quite proud of the way they are, even if it seems utterly nonsensical to everyone else. They refused an Electoral Seat, they have never elevated one of their number to total primacy over the others, it just seems to depend on the individual proving themselves a particular way or amount. Like, in the older material, you've got stuff on the Hierarchs in Reikland, which, like, big surprise, that's where most of the infobooks had a ton of focus on. You'd think that the Hierarch of Talabecland would, by virtue of being the one in charge of the faith in Taal's province, would possibly be higher in prominence and power, but it just doesn't shake out that way. They like being independent, focusing on their own individual areas and lands, and trying to set up some kind of greater interconnected apparatus has never materialized in 2000+ years.
EDIT: The one big political doings that the Cult ever made was during the Era of Three Emperors, not before and not after.
EDIT: The one big political doings that the Cult ever made was during the Era of Three Emperors, not before and not after.
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... not exacly a situation one would consider fortuitous given to ongoing events.
On another note. We had militia using 'excess' gunpowder to blowing up treestumps... Are people in Middle Mountains blowing up loose rocks and making unnecessary avalanches?
On another note. We had militia using 'excess' gunpowder to blowing up treestumps... Are people in Middle Mountains blowing up loose rocks and making unnecessary avalanches?
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That does mean the cult of taal is pretty weak politically speaking lacking the decades/centuries of political connections , favors and influence accumulated through careful deliberate manipulation and politics nor the interest in doing so
Which is a good thing since listening to back to nature luddites telling us to stop using guns , living in cities, advancing technology and taming the wilds is not even the last thing we would do so much as being outright never happening
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You know it's been at least 2 years since we had to deal with Taalite politics but as a reminder inside Ostland:
We had Ogre Archers, the Seed Drill expansion and the failure to get more Longshanks to protect our forests on Turn 39 which is the turn before this clusterfuck which is Turn 40. The Cult of Taal matters everywhere, but in our case we have spent the last fiveish turns before this one building up various Taalite infrastructure (or what counts for it among that Cult) in order to have better protection from Beastmen in the forests of Ostland.
And we can look forward to the schism between the Cults of Taal and Rhya in the Northern Trident when it comes to the Seed Drills. That's right we gave the Taalite Ogres Ballista Longbows and the Cult of Taal Edit:instead has an issue with us giving the Cult of Rhya better means to dig a hole in the ground so more people can be fed.
Edit: I have no idea how I clicked on that 9.
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The Battle Altars have a resource issue.
Given the list has 2 Luminarks of Hysh, that's at least 24 Orbs of Sorcery total, or 3 orbs of sorcery for each College. Even if the assumption actually is Teclis made 120 Orbs of Sorcery total, that would only be 15 Orbs of Sorcery for each College.
The Battle Altars aren't going to appear in the Empire during the Beasttide, not unless things in Karaz-a-Karak finish up in the Empire's favour this year.
If any of the Colleges actually have a Battle Altar in development, that will still not exceed the number of six College Battle Altars, with the max more likely to be five College Battle Altars in development (light college cannot afford to weaken what they are using the Orbs of Sorcery for), and the more realistic zero.
A 'handful' by webster dictionary definition is 'as much or as many as the hand will grasp', 'a small quantity or number', 'as much as one can manage'. Vague wording, yay!
Personally, I'd say Teclis made eight orbs for each college of magic, but that's because '8 winds' symbology. The quest might have five orbs were given to each College.
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If albion dose drop the mists could their be possibility to introduce mainland giants to albion giants in an attempt to give the race a future or are they far to culturally divergent for such a thing? on top of that I might be misremembering but on top being Heavily inbred aren't mainland giants who are smart enough to remember the past constantly drunk because they can't handle the loss of their past perhaps if they got a influx of new blood and some artifacts like the sky titian cannon to remind them that not all their past is gone they might regain hope with the possibility of future?
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