Colleges are in Altdorf I believe while Elector's Meets happen in Nuln since Magnus makes that city the capital during his reign, though surely still lots of mages there for one reason for another.

Naw, Malagor convinced him to help so long as they hit the Wood Elves afterwards.

They're only like 300 miles apart. With a Beastherd as massive as this one promises to be, sending a group over there to keep them from reinforcing Nuln would make sense, and it would likely be difficult to keep the Cygors from sniffing out magic in those quantities and going after them.
 
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I'd like to apologize to anyone who was offended by my post. I didn't mean to call all devoutly religious people delusional, just the (thankfully few) "devout" people who truly believe that engaging in self-harm will result in real-world benefits due to pleasing whatever they worship.

Your apology makes you out to be either a liar or idiotically careless with your words. You have made no such distinction in your post:

I think the reason for the disconnect between what those trials of piety mean to us and what they mean in-universe stems from the fact that in our world deities do not exist *ahem* "work in mysterious ways" (that are conveniently indistinguishable from having no detectable effect whatsoever on reality)
This has nothing to do with self harm. It is not about people either, this is you deciding that because something doesn't work in a way you understand it doesn't exist. You then declare that because it *obviously* doesn't exist in the real world, you'd have to be delusional to believe. Reading your post, it seems that you decided that since only crazy people have faith-and by implication we are not crazy- then it only makes sense that we would have trouble dealing with faith in a world where gods "actually exist". Taken on good faith (and I am for now), your apology is an attempt to walk your statement back. Instead of anyone who believes in religion now only people who engage in self harm for their faith are delusional. This statement is still insulting, for two reasons;

1.) It does not define what constitutes self harm. I can point to cases of priests infected with corona giving up their hospital beds to patients because the hospital was overwhelmed. Considering that they died, and that killing yourself is the ultimate form of self I can lump him in with your statement. Consider anyone who was persecuted for their religion, who got sanctioned or run out of their homes and towns and still didn't convert. Consider the basic premise behind just giving alms. All of that is self harm-personal, social, and economic-and you're calling anyone who does it delusional.
2.) You mischaracterize why people do it. Most of the examples I described are done willingly and with full knowledge of what it entails. People did it because it wasn't about getting rewarded but because it was right. Faith is trust; it is not knowing what will happen but doing something anyway because you believe that it will still be ok. You go through with it and trust whatever you believe in that the world will be better for your actions. You need trust for faith, and trust doesn't exist if you know what will happen. If you plan on rewards it is not faith; it is an expectation. I will acknowledge that you are sometimes right, that there are people who prey on this trust. Who send people to die or gather up the bitter and victimized for cheap labor. Or those who run tvengelists churches. But they do not represent the majority like you seem to think.You are looking at these predators and deciding that everyone acts like this. In doing so you are treating religion like a vending machine or a bingo card, that everyone is just trading actions for rewards or being suckered, and this is a mischaracterization.

Fundamentally, your original statement has not been retracted, only reduced in scope. This isn't an apology and as such it cannot be accepted as one.
 
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Turn 38 Plan cost = 10,100....+ (2,250 Naval cost) .... + Merc cost (????) //// 14 actions + 3 Naval Actions (19 actions +3 naval actions = 5 actions locked)
Turn 37 Plan cost = 16,600....+ (2,000 Naval cost) //// 16 actions + 2 Naval Actions (19 actions + 3 naval actions = 4 actions locked)
Turn 36 Plan cost = 19,950....+ (1,500 Naval cost) //// 13 actions + 2 Naval Actions (19 actions + 3 naval actions = 7 actions locked)
Turn 35 Plan cost = 14,350....+ (1,000 Naval cost) //// 14 actions + 2 Naval Actions (19 actions + 3 naval actions = 6 actions locked)
Turn 34 Plan cost = 7,900....+ (2,000 Naval cost) //// 10 actions + 2 Naval Actions (19 actions + 3 naval actions = 10 actions locked)
Turn 33 Plan cost = 12,200 +765 (mercs) = 12,965....+ (5,500 Naval cost) /... (765 for mercs) //// 12 actions + 3 Naval Actions (19 actions + 3 naval actions = 7 actions locked)
Turn 32 Plan cost = 9,250 +1820 (mercs) = 11,070....+ (100 Naval cost) /...(1820 for mercs) //// 8 actions + 1 Naval Actions (19 actions + 2 naval actions = 12 actions locked)
Turn 31 Plan cost = 13,500....+ (2000 Naval cost)... //// 14 actions + 1 Naval Actions (19 actions + 2 naval actions = 6 actions locked)
Turn 30 Plan cost = 8100....+ (9500 Naval cost)... //// 11 actions + 2 Naval Actions (19 actions + 2 naval actions = 8 actions locked)
Turn 29 Plan cost = 11350....+ (0 Naval cost)... //// 13 actions + 0 Naval Actions (19 actions + 2 naval actions = 8 actions locked)

Net Income of Turn 38 = 18,500 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 37 = 17,784 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 36 = 16,724 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 35 = 17,499 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 34 = 16,434 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 33 = 16,424 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 32 = 16,694 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 31 = 13,144 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 30 = 12,184 Gold Crowns Per Year
Net Income of Turn 29 = 11,363 Gold Crowns Per Year

Oh god the urge to organize this into charts is strong.

Nice to see our steadily growing income, but wildly bouncing costs - thow our plans to remain within a certain range. I'm confident we can eclipse our plan costs with our revenue. To be anal, though, it's not "net" income until after accounting for plan cost, mercenaries, and navy - but these things are worth independently tracking.
 
The mercs cost has yet to be revealed, and net income 19,950 -750 = 19200 - mercs = 18XXX or 19000 average. Then further subtract 2,000 from the chosen intrigue actions (1,000 gc a turn to fund). For 17,000 average net income at best. Putting us at being money conscious. Unless we can somehow make an additional 3,000 in one turn and not go for immediately increasing our expenses through more mercs after one turn.

More importantly is that some actions are locked up which saves the players money. A higher net Income, in the 20,000s, is great for us.

Below 18,000, the players struggle to gain cash thanks to their spending habits.
15,432 crown/turn average expenditures over the last 10 turns, with the average income over the last 10 turns being 15, 675 crowns/turn. I'm really failing to see why you think 16-17k crowns average net income wouldn't be enough, considering that that's basically what we've been working off of just fine for the last 5-10 turns. (turn incomes of 16k and change were about half of the last ten years, making it a standout mode value of income)

Yeah, the thread is usually spending money as fast as we make it - but that's not actually a bad thing, especially considering we still have ~ a quarter to half again as much money as we've spent in any one year on hand to provide that extra little bit of cushioning for the occasional surprise expenditure.
 
Not sure I'm remembering this right but certain options are locked behind certain benchmarks in our treasury. If we ever decide being frugal for a few turns we could try unlocking some of them. Granted this true.
 
Praise be to @Marlin, organizer of the charts! Also nice to see net income has been going up in general.

Oh, how do people feel about a superproject like a highway through the Middle Mountains to most easily connect the four neighboring provinces in general for more trade and such?
 
15,432 crown/turn average expenditures over the last 10 turns, with the average income over the last 10 turns being 15, 675 crowns/turn. I'm really failing to see why you think 16-17k crowns average net income wouldn't be enough, considering that that's basically what we've been working off of just fine for the last 5-10 turns. (turn incomes of 16k and change were about half of the last ten years, making it a standout mode value of income)

Yeah, the thread is usually spending money as fast as we make it - but that's not actually a bad thing, especially considering we still have ~ a quarter to half again as much money as we've spent in any one year on hand to provide that extra little bit of cushioning for the occasional surprise expenditure.
It becomes an issue when we stop having 16-17k net income, when the addition of that one research action we lacked over the last ten turns would cause the balance to fall over if the players do not have enough cash. And when torroar stops fudging the numbers to accommodate the players economy numbers. The benevolent QM is a major reason as to why actions have been cheap and affordable over the last ten turns.

Research actions add 1000 to 2000, onto a cost. We're probably looking at 16,432-17432 average expenditures over the next ten turns if we regain the research action. Something we could afford because our net income is 1800+.
 
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please remember that rule 4: don't be disruptive exists Sorry to interrupt again so soon everyone.
Fundamentally, your original statement has not been retracted, only reduced in scope. This isn't an apology and as such it cannot be accepted as one.
@flotter I would direct your attention to Rule 4: Don't be Disruptive which asks users not to disrupt threads with off-topic posting and the thread's current banner warning users to lay off the personal attacks. It is unfair to Ekzentric Lohner and to other posters in this thread for you to be picking a fight with Lohner's apology like this. Arguments should be about the Quest and not each other. If you had an issue with the nature of that post, it would be preferable to bring it to our attention by reporting it or taking it to a new thread or private messages rather than disturbing the Quest with completely off-topic material.

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Praise be to @Marlin, organizer of the charts! Also nice to see net income has been going up in general.

Oh, how do people feel about a superproject like a highway through the Middle Mountains to most easily connect the four neighboring provinces in general for more trade and such?
It sounds like a lot of effort...for dubious gains. One one hand, yay more potential for trade, on the other it would be really expensive to build, maintain, and guard. The Middle Mountains are still one of the most dangerous locations in the Empire, and the efforts to build this road is vary likely to rouse up those dangers and likely send them running into the other nearby provinces. I won't say it couldn't be done or it shouldn't, but we should talk to our mountain neighbors and see what they think about it.
 
I agree, a highway through the middle mountains would be extremely expensive and I can't see it being worth it. I think if you want some sort of penultimate superproject, then a canal system connecting either the Wolfs Run in Wulfenburg, the Drakwasser or the Talabec river to Salkaten would be the way to go. It would be prohibitively expensive (as far as I know only Reikland and Wissenland have made such vast canal systems) but it would serve some sort of purpose as well, making Salkaten another entryway into the Empire's river network à la Marienburg.
 
They're about to go through Imperial stalingrad itself?

Though Beastmen D-day is prob the more apt description.
 
They're about to go through Imperial stalingrad itself?

Though Beastmen D-day is prob the more apt description.
Well, i hope not, since D-day implies they would win :V

Another thing i can't believe i completely missed is that Magnus's the Emperor maid is apparently either not human or otherwise kinda weird and that Skaven already tried to scout him out. She has to be all kinds of scary to counter an Eshin Master Assassin.
 
It has come up in-thread, either in an interlude, a proper update, or a canon omake. Or non-threadmarked. Can't quite remember where or when, but I do remember what.

She was the former top assassin of Khaine in the Empire who was ordered to go kill Magnus because a reunified Empire was a lot harder to work in, and an unified Empire was much better for regular murder and slaughter in the name of Khaine.

Magnus caught her in the act, sat her down, and talked with her for an entire night.

By morning she foreswore Khaine, helped him and a small group of others take down the entire cell (implied but not directly stating using her status to help find many other cells throughout the southern Empire due to her incredibly high status) and later joined his service in permanency.
 
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It has come up in-thread, either in an interlude, a proper update, or a canon omake. Can't quite remember where or when, but I do remember what.

She was the former top assassin of Khaine who was ordered to go kill Magnus because a reunified Empire was a lot harder to work in, and an unified Empire was much better for regular murder and slaughter in the name of Khaine.

Magnus caught her in the act, sat her down, and talked with her for an entire night.

By morning she foreswore Khaine, helped him and a small group of others take down the entire cell (implied but not directly stating using her status to help find many other cells throughout the southern Empire due to her incredibly high status) and later joined his service in permanency.
Magnus is and will always be Awesomeness incarnate.
 
It has come up in-thread, either in an interlude, a proper update, or a canon omake. Can't quite remember where or when, but I do remember what.

She was the former top assassin of Khaine who was ordered to go kill Magnus because a reunified Empire was a lot harder to work in, and an unified Empire was much better for regular murder and slaughter in the name of Khaine.

Magnus caught her in the act, sat her down, and talked with her for an entire night.

By morning she foreswore Khaine, helped him and a small group of others take down the entire cell (implied but not directly stating using her status to help find many other cells throughout the southern Empire due to her incredibly high status) and later joined his service in permanency.
Right, that does ring a bell, so you probably brought it out once. Its just neat how many little things like this are littered through the text. I was rather new to Warhammer Fantasy when i started this quest (its actually what brought me into the franchise), so the cool things like this were kind of lost to me on first read. Its neat rediscovering them with more context now.
 
Found it: [CANON] An Owl's Journey – 2337-2338 - torroar

"Ah! Milady, please don't!"

The maid who had come through the doors cringed in fear, but to her credit refused to drop the thick metal tray upon which some light refreshments were placed. A blush of embarrassment threatened to erupt across Evangeline's face, but she controlled it and lowered the sword from a directly threatening posture, the maid slowly unfolding from her bent position. Her eyes stared at both Evangeline and then the Emperor behind his desk, before focusing rather intently on the Rechtstahl. But Evangeline did not sheath the sword entirely, she could not. Her instincts were no longer screaming, but they were nonetheless murmuring in her ear.

"Well! I certainly feel safe," Magnus said brightly, causing both women to jolt slightly in surprise.

Evangeline turned about on her heel, shaking her head ruefully. It took a nod from the Emperor to cause the maid to continue her path into the room, though she circled as far as possible away from Evangeline as she went. At the same time, the Rechtstahl once more lowered to Evangeline's side. Eventually the small sandwiches and drinks were placed on their porcelain plates, and the maid straightened to hold the tray flat over her stomach to the right and behind the Emperor. She fidgeted when Evangeline looked at her, and Evangeline worked to strangle a deep desire to fidget herself. Long lacy white gloves stretched from fingertip to past the upper arm, the lace at the top waving in the air with every movement of the maid.

"You are wound quite tightly, Evangeline," he murmured, a hands folding beneath his chin. "I can imagine why."

"I…cannot apologize enough-," she ground to a halt as her new master shook his head.

"No, your instincts were good. You'll need them like that in the future. Leah was once one of the greatest assassins in the Old World," he spoke casually while tilting his head in the maid's direction. "You couldn't tell exactly what, but something was setting you off. That's a lot more than many manage."

Evangeline just stared, first at him, then the maid…who suddenly looked much less like a maid. The nervous ticks were gone, the tiny fidgets disappeared into lethal stillness, and the fear in the eyes simply evaporated. An annoyed pout replaced the worrying at the lip before that too smoothed itself away. In return, Evangeline suddenly looked at someone with some of the coldest gazes she'd ever seen. Most infuriatingly, the clothes still appeared natural on her, instead of just being a costume, which is what it should have been. Her mind was playing tricks on her even when she was aware of it!

A slow smile carved its way across the woman's lips as she watched Evangeline study her.

"I am…afraid I don't quite understand?" Evangeline spoke slowly, looking from Emperor to maid and then back again.

"You did not have to tell her," Leah spoke in a demure whisper, ducking her head with her words.

Were it not for how she kept a disturbing unblinking stare on Evangeline, it could have fooled many into thinking that she'd become nothing but a maid again.

"She has literally just become one of my main representatives to the outside world, Leah," Magnus looked at the maid with a raised eyebrow, "Things like this are going to come up, and I'll not have her stew in ignorance if it is not absolutely required." He adjusted in the seat slightly and glanced back towards Evangeline. "I have many shields, Evangeline, some of them are required to be less openly shown than others," he jerked his chin at Leah. "She is one of them…as well as being a capable maid."

A look of incredulity crossing her face was impossible to halt from forming. Leah, for her part, just smile wickedly before looking down pointedly at her tray. With slight, nearly imperceptible motions, the metal handles and edges of the tray clicked, then rotated. Evangeline watched, astonished, as two thin and serrated blades were drawn halfway out of the tray's body in previously hidden sheathes. Another simple push and slight twist and the handles of the blades were once more simply parts of the tray. One hand disappeared into the dress itself, unfurling a longer blade, one nearly a foot and a half long, from…somewhere within its ruffles. Once that blade was returned, a hand crossbow was withdrawn to replace it. Also from somewhere that could not be perfectly understood. Then a trio of vials of disturbingly colored liquids, which then disappeared. Leah, at that point, halted the process with a dainty shrug of her shoulders. One that, rather obviously, implied that it was not all she possessed.

"The tray has a sheet of gromril inside of it," the older woman said in her near whisper. "No runes, but…."

Evangeline did not gape, but she rather felt like she should have been.

"How did…why…," she finally managed.

"The why? I can answer that one simply," Magnus said as he grabbed a small sandwich. "Who better to protect from assassins than one of their own kind? As for how…," he looked meaningfully at Leah.

Leah sighed, looking entirely more put-upon than Evangeline thought she had a right to. Then she began to speak, which made things even worse.

"Once upon a time there was a little girl born in Marienburg," Leah began speaking in a disturbing tone reminiscent of a mother telling a bedtime story to children. "She was raised in a cult dedicated to the God of Murder. Her first murder was her own brother, at the age of five."

Evangeline could have done without the cutesy gasps and overly exaggerated expressions.

"She drenched her body and soul in the blood of innocents and guilty alike, all at the whims of her parents, who ruled the cell with an iron grip. They made money, and were allowed to constantly commit murder, for there were always those willing to pay for spilt blood."

The maid looked to Magnus, who nodded, and then placed the tray on the table. Her arms thus freed, she peeled away at one of the arm-length gloves with excruciating slowness. But the moment the glove was pulled past the elbow, Evangeline could see the way the skin twisted into melted and scarred masses. On top of that, however, were a vast number of tattoos and symbols belonging to only Goddesses – Verena, Shallya, Myrmidia, and Rhya. Once Leah made sure that Evangeline could see, the maid tugged the glove back upwards.

"The girl ascended in the cult to quite a high point, the God of Murder's markings were indelibly – or nearly so – inked from fingertip to elbow," Leah said with far too much warmth. "She was ready to ascend to the head of the cult itself, even, to slay her own parents as they had done to their own, but had to complete one final mission first."

Gloved fingers picked the tray up in a delicate grip.

"To murder an Emperor, whose reunited Empire was beginning to make it much harder for the cult to continue existing," Leah glanced at the Emperor. "So the girl, a woman then, went to do her work. She made it all the way into the Imperial Palace, to his very bedroom. He awoke, however, somehow, and instead of immediately striking her down…,"

Something gripped the maid, then, something that choked her words off. It took her a moment to continue.

"He talked to her. He just…talked to her. Like no one – no one – ever had," Leah's face gained a small, watery smile. "And five hours later, the God of Murder was renounced, forevermore. In return, as thanks, that woman has sworn to serve that Emperor until she dies."

There was something in that promise that tasted to Evangeline practically of a dwarf's oath.

"Thank you Leah," Magnus said, giving her a comforting smile. "You may go."

"Thank you, sir," the maid bowed deeply to him before heading on her way. "Lady Hertwig," she added as she passed Evangeline and out of the doors of the office.

Then they were alone once more.

"I'm not sure I understand," Evangeline said once more.

"Not everything is as it seems," Magnus answered, no humor in his voice whatsoever. "But now then, where were we…ah yes. Tell me of your journeys with the dwarfs, if you would."

"…all right?"

Yeah. Could have been the head of the Cult of Khaine in the Empire. Magnus convinced her otherwise. Her name is Leah, she is one of the deadliest killers in the Old World, she is directly responsible for grievous harm and damage dealt to the Cult of Khaine afterwards, and she publicly works as a maid in the Imperial Palace in Nuln. She has been in scenes involving servants that Frederick has been present in, but never pointed out or described, because that's rather the point. In point of fact, Frederick does not even know that she exists, or what other positions she might hold than her demure public one in the ongoing functioning of the Empire and service to Magnus. And as such, outside of small blips like the above, she is IC a totally invisible entity that is nonetheless nominally Imperial-aligned. Which goes back to the first post of the entire thread, talking about how the world is bigger than just the player faction and what they can directly see.

It's why I, personally, do not recommend skimming the things I post. Cause, like. There's stuff, man. There's stuff that might only be a few paragraphs or even just a few sentences long, but they can definitely matter to the wider IC world.
 
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Right, that does ring a bell, so you probably brought it out once. Its just neat how many little things like this are littered through the text. I was rather new to Warhammer Fantasy when i started this quest (its actually what brought me into the franchise), so the cool things like this were kind of lost to me on first read. Its neat rediscovering them with more context now.

That's why I always recommend keeping the wiki on hand when I recommend this to prospective readers. There is a metric ton of canon characters featured and setting concepts that might alienate Warhammer novices. Frederick starting out exiled and somewhat clueless is actually kind of helpful, for he has to learn as much as newcomer has to.
 
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