I feel like this is a shaky definition of "player agency," because it appears to treat "player agency" as a synonym for "players always decide what happens and nothing significantly unwelcome to players can happen."

Except "the other team's agency" is (also) largely decided by dice rolls in quests like these. Just like the player's agency and successes are largely decided by the dice. While narrative decisions might happen or there might be logical explanations for why the other teams has had things happen in such a way for them, the fact of the matter remains that if they had rolled poorly, the Beast Tide wouldn't have come together at all or in the way it had for example. That it did is because they rolled so well that they then had the agency to pull it together.

If you are playing a game and the other team wins the match, it does not mean that as a member of the losing team you "lacked agency."

Also, team games are primarily not dice based and often invoke actual skill. If another team wins a match and my team loses, it's because my team lacked skill, not luck. And in dice based quests, luck is agency. And luck is decided by the die. Thus, dice are player agency.
 
Except "the other team's agency" is (also) largely decided by dice rolls in quests like these. Just like the player's agency and successes are largely decided by the dice. While narrative decisions might happen or there might be logical explanations for why the other teams has had things happen in such a way for them, the fact of the matter remains that if they had rolled poorly, the Beast Tide wouldn't have come together at all or in the way it had for example. That it did is because they rolled so well that they then had the agency to pull it together.



Also, team games are primarily not dice based and often invoke actual skill. If another team wins a match and my team loses, it's because my team lacked skill, not luck. And in dice based quests, luck is agency. And luck is decided by the die. Thus, dice are player agency.

Please don't continue this. Torroar just asked us all to stop with this discussion and let matters lie.
 
Idle AU Pokery
Note: Just idle brain worm after reading some fics somewhere, don't worry about it, apologies if bad, very sleepy and medicine for cold/flu? not great.

The hangar facilities were filled with a buzzing thrum of activity fit to make any hive of bees blush. Literal hundreds of techs and logistics personnel were rushing back and forth, while forklifts and trucks strained heavily under the weight of what they carried. Munitions, fuel, anything and all that could be needed in the next immediate few minutes. Certain cradles let out pneumatic hisses as enormous arms whirred back and forth to hastily weld on new armor plates. Others, for some, were reloading ammo racks, replacing damaged components, or were outright installing brand new weapon systems. None of which even came close to eclipsing what was going on outside of the hangars. The very earth trembled and shook with the sheer tonnage of infantry and tanks that were rushing forward to the outer defenses of the base. The former ran the gamut of shiny brand new recruits who had barely gotten out of basic practically stumbling every other step, while others loped along, towering above everyone else thanks to the powerful exoskeletons which covered their bodies.

Amidst the chaos, the man moved smoothly and without fear, marching straight towards a waiting ladder that led up to a higher gantry up above. Unlike any of the techs or infantry, he was almost completely naked save for his smallclothes, revealing a muscular frame that was absolutely smothered in scars and old healed wounds. Despite this, no one barred his way, nor that of the other men and women rushing through the hangar in similar states of comparative undress. In fact, the rushing personnel parted before him like a ship through the sea, by presence alone. His eyes were narrowed in thought as he listened to the reports coming in through the earbuds he'd put in. There was general panic, of course, but that was to be expected when someone recklessly threw themselves out of a pirate point and straight towards the planet, regardless of the fact that it had some of the heaviest established orbital defenses around. Half of the enemy hadn't even made it through the atmosphere, and a fourth of those that had gotten through had simply crashed into fiery wrecks afterwards.

But that didn't mean the threat was over.

Not by a long shot.

"Is it ready?" He called out as he scaled the ladder up, up, and up again, until he came face to face with a smaller woman with a three foot high mohawk marked with a black and white pattern.

Her technicians uniform was filthy with industrial oils and unguents, but her gaze was clear - albeit clear and practically dead.

"Of course it's ready," she said flatly, utterly without emotion. "Brand new, as if it was coming right out the doors of Alaric's personal factory floor."

"So they're in there, then?" He asked, appraising the behemoth of metal before him.

"Damn straight," she said tonelessly. "Brand new Ultra Glacial Freezers, courtesy of Frozen Throne Industries, and of course, the Tzarina of the Kislevite Dominion."

She emphasized her point with a slap against the metal, face still expressionless.

"This baby can fit so much fucking death in it."

"Excellent," he grinned with bared teeth before clambering inside, "And where will you be during this, oh daughter mine?"

The answer came just before the hatch began to seal.

"With the Long Toms and my Arrow Vs," she said without emotion.

He frowned at that, and toggled the radio.

"You're not putting atomics in those things, are you?"

The silence made him frown deeper before the response came in.

"...not necessarily."

"Anna!"

"I made the warheads plug and place, you know that. Besides, you should get out there, my new auspex system says they're closing in on the outer defenses faster than expected."

He rolled his eyes and started flipping switches and tabbing buttons, feeling as the absolutely ancient machine, literally crafted by inhuman hands, came to life without a flicker of static or crackle of electricity. What did come immediately however, was the challenge.

"Who are ye, that ye would wield the craft of Alaric!" Bellowed a crazed dwarf from the distant past, a section of the machine's innards protruding from the wall to reveal something that looked nothing more and nothing less than the hilt of a sword.

A hilt that the man grasped.

"A man that serves his nation, and its Gods," he said, grunting as the multiple needles within the hilt stabbed into him.

"The blood runs pure yet," Alaric's old voice ruminated fondly as the systems rapidly catalogued the sample taken. "Go on then, and kill the bastards! Fulfill the oaths sworn! Awaken!"

That last was a command for the machine, not its pilot, and the venerable creation did so, reactor fully activating and going green, other panels and screens coming to life around him, while just to his right, beneath the now withdrawing hilt, a small panel slid away to release frosted air into the confined space and a frothing mug inside as well.

"Hah!" He laughed as he saw it, and drank deep.

"Final Authorization Required," the machine itself rumbled now as he finished his drink and slid the empty mug back into the compartment and lid it shut. "Where do we live? Where do we die? Where does every Ostlander find their pride?"

Elector Count Frederick von Hohenzollern, ruler of the Ostland Province of the Confederation of Sigmar, wiped his lips and grinned.

"IN THE MUD, WITH THE BLOOD AND THE BEER!"

"AUTHORIZATION ACKNOWLEDGED."

Once more, just as it had done so for more than two thousand and some odd years, the masterwork creation of Alaric the Mad rumbled forth, out from the hangar, where more than a few Greatsword Heavy Assault Mechs began to follow. From another hangar bay, this one even larger than theirs, came the Super-Heavies under the command of no less than Urgdug Greatbellow himself, one of the few of his race to have ever achieved so high an office outside of the Mourn Kingdoms, one of the most dangerous pirate nations to ever exist Spinward or otherwise. Frederick passed by them all, feeling the powerful systems of his mech as if it were his own body, until he reached the ridge, and saw the foe that was even now trundling towards them in their ramshackle creations belching smoke and potentially even radioactive waste from their reactors. Hastily put together as they might have been, no one could ever say that the cobbled together creations of the greenskins were not capable of being dangerous.

"You don't come to my province, and you don't invade my planets, you bastards." Frederick pushed his controls forward. "Least of all this one!"

And Brain Wounder, one of the only twelve 'Runefang' Battlemechs to have ever been created, almost seemed to roar as it fired its full arsenal, obliterating a dozen approaching ork 'Mechs' in one go.

Yet again, the planet of Wulfenburg saw battle.
 
I literally know nothing about battletech except the fics on SV and SB, and my eyes glaze over sooooo hard when people start talking about ERPPC OR ERL or what nots with the jump jets and flamethrowers, but the scenes are usually still generally cool.
 
I literally know nothing about battletech except the fics on SV and SB, and my eyes glaze over sooooo hard when people start talking about ERPPC OR ERL or what nots with the jump jets and flamethrowers, but the scenes are usually still generally cool.

I honestly thought that this was a 40K AU and that Frederick was piloting some kind of archaeotech Imperial Knight until the word BattleMech came up.

EDIT: Not that such an AU would be a *bad* thing...
 
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Damnation, I saw two threadmarks and got excited! Curse you, Torroar, for... Being a genuinely good writer, I guess?

...

Well, if there's ever a thing to curse someone for, it might as well be that!
 
I realize it had to happen eventually, but Jesus Christ every single flipping roll?
 
Hey how about we talk more about this incredible picture, huh? Instead of that, given the aforementioned circling endlessly nature of that discussion? I feel it was not given the attention and praises it deserves due to sort of bobbing up amidst the immediate aftermath of the update being posted
This picture is indeed awesome.
*jazz music stops* [takes a drink] *metal music starts* [smiles]

[cut to Loec laughing his face off]
You want to really get awkward have Alith Anar be summoned by the everqueen if she ever gets the whole story of this. Of course he turns up for no one not even the phoenix king.
Except no matter where he goes. Or what he is doing. Or how far into the wilderness he is. The summons keep reaching him.

First it's a handmaiden. Then it's letters. Then it is singing. Then it is a message tied to an arrow fired by a handmaiden.

Along with some hints that it will not be messages that track him down if he keeps refusing to turn up.

Eventually he answers the summons just to find out how that is happening only to learn the everqueen is not very happy with him.

Fun fact carrying around a divine artifact for Millenia might make it easier for said divinity to find you on behalf of their wife. Even if you do not have it with you all the time.
 
Fuck Alith. He's an asshole, he's doing it wrong. Let's conquer the ark and show him how to do 'it' (reintegrating the supposedly irredeemably corrupted) (ie Hultressa, ie Gwendolyn) correctly
 
You want to really get awkward have Alith Anar be summoned by the everqueen if she ever gets the whole story of this. Of course he turns up for no one not even the phoenix king.
Except no matter where he goes. Or what he is doing. Or how far into the wilderness he is. The summons keep reaching him.
While indeniably hilarious, I doubt even Alitg Anar would ignore summons from the Everqueen herself.
 
I honestly thought that this was a 40K AU and that Frederick was piloting some kind of archaeotech Imperial Knight until the word BattleMech came up.

EDIT: Not that such an AU would be a *bad* thing...

See, I've thought about it in the past, and actually, I kind of think it would be a bad thing?

There is 0% chance that Frederick would be okay with psyker treatment coming for his wife or children, or how he'd try and visit his psyker kids while at schola. So Assassinorum for him, definitely. Especially if he tried to marry his psyker wife. A whole planet/sector even of cryokinetic psykers? Might well have been something that the Great Crusade would have wiped out in the past if they didn't submit to some kind of special ruling under the Emperor - which, given Nikea and everything, they probably wouldn't have gotten. Brain Wounder could work as is, basically some kind of uber sword created in the distant past by a Votann psyker-craftsman, or something, but why would he have it, then? Twelve super swords kind of works, but yeah. And Frederick wouldn't work as a space marine either, because a whole heaping part of his character is specifically his family, his wife and children, so even for the hardy har hard drinking Space Wolves or the familial relations of the Salamanders would properly work for him. Even including his blacksmithing portion, which would make him lean more Salamander. Anna, a cryokinetic psyker joining the Mechanicus? Maybe, that's probably one of the easier to slot in things if she cut out part of her that made her psyker and instead went full Mechanicus.

Like, I've tried to game it out, with, I dunno, the Mallus Sector, with the Sigmarite Subsector founded by Saint Sigmar and Miskan Subsector founded by Saint Miska the Slaughterer and Cathayan Subsector and what not, but it just...doesn't quite translate properly. Frederick wouldn't be who he is if his wife was some half-lobotomized psyker with stakes driven into her eyes and minders from the Sisters of Silence keeping watch over her, at least not an Imperial. And there's no way he'd be a Chaos worshipper either, so...at best, they'd be a meager single planet of rebellious anti-Imperial sentiment and get bombarded to glass for it.

At best, you could translate certain characters in, but Frederick, Natasha, Anna, Alexandria? A good bit of the actual Hohenzollerns wouldn't work, except maybe as a kind of Rogue Trader Dynasty thing, but even then it'd get wiggly with the psyker stuff and the Inquisition being the Witch Hunters of WHF scaled up a kajillion times. Urgdug could be an especially smart Ogryn, the Freeblade Knight Roland works perfectly fine, the mutant wandering mercenary Johanna, but like...eh, you know?
 
Maybe if they are not psykers?
An abhuman with biological cryogenesis?
Someone touched by gene-locked archeotech nobody understands but gets, in essence, nanites that immitate frostpowers. With a quite cruel machinespirit with opinions. One that could horribly malfunction on a male, sending a feedback loop that corrupts all instances of cryo-nanites.
 
Like, the castle? Sure. The city? Depends on where we are in the Dynasty ranks.

Frederick has had Natasha effectively be his regent/steward when he's out of the city plenty of times. When both of them are, it falls to Magnus, when all three of them are gone, it goes to Anna, if she also needs to be somewhere, it'd be probably Sabine or Serhild, depending. Arthur maybe, but it would have be even more strictly temporary as having a High Priest of any of the Cults usurp the position of the nobility would be a highly contentious thing. Otherwise, if it really got down to it, you might have Frederick the Younger do it, and if it got worse, probably Tasha.
 
like...eh, you know?
Yeah like. This is something I've complained about before, but trying to move anything from fantasy to 40k just doesn't work- either you keep mallus the same and the scale of 40k makes everything irrelevant/trivial, or you try to move stuff in piecemeal and it just clashes too much with the 40k milieu
 
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Like, the castle? Sure. The city? Depends on where we are in the Dynasty ranks.

Frederick has had Natasha effectively be his regent/steward when he's out of the city plenty of times. When both of them are, it falls to Magnus, when all three of them are gone, it goes to Anna, if she also needs to be somewhere, it'd be probably Sabine or Serhild, depending. Arthur maybe, but it would have be even more strictly temporary as having a High Priest of any of the Cults usurp the position of the nobility would be a highly contentious thing. Otherwise, if it really got down to it, you might have Frederick the Younger do it, and if it got worse, probably Tasha.

Hah, Tasha is more likely to get the job than Magnus' heir.
 
How about we come to an understanding that those two are very separete settings and leave it at that?
Also, there are other settings that could translate easier both in fantasy ans sci-fi.
Lord of the rings? star wars? Hell, Marvel and DC would probably be an intresting exercise...
And now I wanna see Freddy and Hulk having a deep philosophical disscussions about nature of rage...
 
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Tasha's older than Karola by a smidge when you get down that far, but honestly, at the point you're looking at either Tasha or Karola, you might well end up just electing an adult regent instead.
 
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