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Would we er... need to purify the egg. I mean yes Black Dragons in the hands of the Druchi are monsters, but so are most beings unfortunete enough to fall into the hands of their beastmasters. On the nature/nurture scale it may well be that Black Dragons' ill temperament is mostly or entirely a function of the former over the latter
 
We might be allowed to keep the egg with minimal grumbling for having dealt the druchhi such a blow and retrieving it to begin with. But that's it. And they'll probably want to purify it either way, which is a good idea anyway, if it is even possible to purifying a dragon that was conceived as it is.
 
Annatar said:
First of all, how good of an idea do you really think it is to eat an egg filled with Dhar as a human, let alone a human who has already had issues with hidden Dhar corruption in the past.
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Torroar already said that it isn't filled with Dhar, go back and check.

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Second of all how willing are you to permanently fuck relations with a premier world power who have a beach head in our backyard that we can't assault?
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You're making assumptions that it will do anything.
IF the egg can't be changed so it doesn't give birth to an evil dragon then I doubt they'll care to much. Also there are Wood Elf caster with us that are using True Dhar. If we can't use it to supercharge Fred, we can use it to upgrade one of the wood elf casters.
 
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FFS why is people's first reactions to the thing either "I wanna eat it" when there are numerous fairly obvious reasons why that is just kinda...silly and ill advised, or "dragon mount!"

The latter I kinda get, but why are so many people's first reactions to eat the baby!

Can't we just be happy that this one didn't go squish at terminal velocity and the high elves might be able to get a dragon out of this mess?

Fenrir44 said:
Lets not sell our new shiny away would like a new pet for freddy to burn the beastide with
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There are so many reasons this is fanciful its frankly extraordinary.
 
flotter said:
@torroar If we gave the egg to the elves of Laurelorn, would they be able to either purify or get it purified, and would a regular dragon egg be useful to them?
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Who knows!

DragonParadox said:
Would we er... need to purify the egg. I mean yes Black Dragons in the hands of the Druchi are monsters, but so are most beings unfortunete enough to fall into the hands of their beastmasters. On the nature/nurture scale it may well be that Black Dragons' ill temperament is mostly or entirely a function of the former over the latter
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Uncertain!
 
DragonParadox said:
Would we er... need to purify the egg. I mean yes Black Dragons in the hands of the Druchi are monsters, but so are most beings unfortunete enough to fall into the hands of their beastmasters. On the nature/nurture scale it may well be that Black Dragons' ill temperament is mostly or entirely a function of the former over the latter
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Probably not necessarily needed, but a lot of their temperament is canonically noted to come from being Dhar-infused beasts. Personally I'm just more worried about the fact that we have tons of small children, no idea how to raise a dragon, and it has a shitty personality.
 
I imagine that it's probably going to be a black dragon in appearance regardless of whatever else, because that was how it came to be. But the temperament is a different story.
 
lancelot said:
Torroar already said that it isn't filled with Dhar, go back and check.



You're making assumptions that it will do anything. If the egg can't be changed so it doesn't give birth to an evil dragon then I doubt they'll care to much. Also there are Wood Elf caster with us that are using True Dhar. If we can't us it to supercharge Fred, we can use it to upgrade one of the wood elf casters.
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Torroar literally told us Sadrina will try to kill us, Ulthuan will cut relations with us and the Arcane Fulcrum will declare independence as its own militarized outpost of Ulthuan if we try to eat that dragon egg:
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'Haha, what if I just ate it'
'Haha, what if I killed you the moment you put it near your goddamned mouth and ran away with it back to Ulthuan and also we cut off all contact with your province and did our utmost best to tear the Arcane Fulcrum's bindings and shift it elsewhere or otherwise maintain it as a militant outpost against the Empire until we could do so'
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Like...for gods sakes people, we don't know if its a fertile egg!

I'm impressed at torrar's ability to show a small snippit and and everyone starts going egg, egg egg, but I think some people are getting carried away.

For all intents and purposes this could be essentially a paper weight, outside of eating the damn thing which would be absurd for Freddy to do even if he knew that it was something he could do.

It also presumes that it would do anything for him in the first place, as he's not a trained dragon elf.
 
yea okay, I've been convinced. Let's give the Egg to the Elves. this might help get the 500 foot rod up their asses some of the way out.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Like...for gods sakes people, we don't know if its a fertile egg!

I'm impressed at torrar's ability to show a small snippit and and everyone starts going egg, egg egg, but I think some people are getting carried away.

For all intents and purposes this could be essentially a paper weight, outside of eating the damn thing which would be absurd for Freddy to do even if he knew that it was something he could do.

It also presumes that it would do anything for him in the first place, as he's not a trained dragon elf.
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That Sadrina was so excited to find the egg does suggest that she at least thinks it might be fertilized.

Anyway the Imperial Dragon shows that having a dragon live in the Empire can work but it would be seriously not worth it to keep it here if we couldn't be 100% sure it wasn't tainted.
 
Didn't see that then no don't eat it, and if they give a damn about it then that means it can be purified. If it's that important it might be enough having it hear could quickly get us back up from Fulcrum if Sadrina could contact them.
 
Fenrir44 said:
the wanna eat i can understand because who doesnt like a good made omelet huh

But a new mount sounds much better especially seeing the first option would burn our relations with the elfes
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I don't want a new mount several hundred years in the future. Assuming the egg can hatch in the first place which is a massive if, since if they have large numbers of eggs I doubt they'd bring fertilised ones along, there are an absolute shit ton of steps between "egg" and adult dragon.

Step one figure out how long it would be until it would even hatch. Nice it takes several hundred years.

Imperious said:
That Sadrina was so excited to find the egg does suggest that she at least thinks it might be fertilized.
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Alternatively she's an elf and going "OHHH DRAGON EGG EEEEEEEE!"

Its a big deal for her, that's all we can infer and the fact its a big deal is no surprise Ulthauan takes dragons seriously.

lancelot said:
Didn't see that then no don't eat it, and if they give a damn about it then that means it can be purified. If it's that important it might be enough having it hear could quickly get us back up from Fulcrum if Sadrina could contact them.
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I think I saw no purification required, though it'd be given a go over by the experts for you know safety and health reasons.
 
Eating the dragon egg is off the table anyways even if we knew about the powerup ic.

A dhar egg is not for eating and a regular egg is something we are better off hatching since a living dragon is a far better investment over a powerup either by giving it away to the elves or keeping it.

On the egg numbers we have no idea how many are left in the magic saddle bags ,for that we would havr to wait for the doot proper methinks
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Like...for gods sakes people, we don't know if its a fertile egg!

I'm impressed at torrar's ability to show a small snippit and and everyone starts going egg, egg egg, but I think some people are getting carried away.

For all intents and purposes this could be essentially a paper weight, outside of eating the damn thing which would be absurd for Freddy to do even if he knew that it was something he could do.

It also presumes that it would do anything for him in the first place, as he's not a trained dragon elf.
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I want to say it was stated already somewhere that it's fertile cause it, like, has to be to give them the power boost, but I'm not 100% sure and that might be just my own personal assumptions bleeding in so don't quote me on that.
 
moon-llama said:
On the egg numbers we have no idea how many are left in the magic saddle bags ,for that we would havr to wait for the doot proper methinks
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I mean one egg is plenty frankly. And ultimately its of no real relevance to us as far as I can tell, we lack the expertise or ability to make use of a dragon. I'd much rather rub Caledor's collective faces in both killing the guy who was touting himself as their bane and as the guy who returned a dragon egg.

Really make the dragon prince we punched turn all kinds of weird colours.

TheCynicalPogo said:
I want to say it was stated already somewhere that it's fertile cause it, like, has to be to give them the power boost, but I'm not 100% sure and that might be just my own personal assumptions bleeding in so don't quote me on that.
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Byzantine said:
I'd assume all dragon eggs are fertile, just because that makes Sadrina's reaction make the most sense.
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These are both massive presumptions.

I certainly can't remember it being stated it needs to be fertile anywhere and again the reason her reaction makes sense is because this is a massive cultural deal for her whether the egg is fertile or not. At the end of the day its a fucking dragon egg for a group that love their dragons to an insane degree. We can't determine anything more than that and going beyond that is just kinda silly.
 
We don't know if dragons even lay unfertilized eggs to begin with.

Not all reptiles lay unfertilized eggs like chickens, and dragons only bear superficial resemblance to IRL reptiles anyway. From a Doylist perspective, dragon eggs are always treated with serious and powerful gravitas by the narrative, whether that's adventurers risking their lives to steal them, Asur considering them sacred and illegal to mess with, or Druchii using them as powerups. Going "haha it's just a useless unfertilized egg" feels kind of... off. And makes the Druchii eating them like magic mushrooms less horrifyingly callous and cruel.
 
Blackout said:
We don't know if dragons even lay unfertilized eggs to begin with.

Not all reptiles lay unfertilized eggs like chickens, and dragons only bear superficial resemblance to IRL reptiles anyway. From a Doylist perspective, dragon eggs are always treated with serious and powerful gravitas by the narrative, whether that's adventurers risking their lives to steal them, Asur considering them sacred and illegal to mess with, or Druchii using them as powerups. Going "haha it's just a useless unfertilized egg" feels kind of... off. And makes the Druchii eating them like magic mushrooms less horrifyingly callous and cruel.
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This is true, but I felt the point needed to be raised that people are kinda looking it at and jumping to all sorts of conclusions. I'd even agree it is more likely to be a fertilised egg, the point is that whether or not its capable of even hatching in the first place is just step one of a very long list of steps which I do not think ends at "we have a dragon now."

To be sure a lot of these are presumptions of my own, but ultimately it isn't relevant. Freddy is not going to be fighting the beastmen on an acid spewing black dragon by the time the beast men show up.
 
To move on from the dragon stuff, I was wondering, since Kerillian is a major Wood Elf outcast, anybody else think we have good odds of fully recruiting her to our retinue once the dust settles, and if we make it out alive? She is rather intrigued by Freddy, and will only be more interested in him as the battles go on.
 
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