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That's awesome. Go BARAK AZAMAR!
Oh hell yeah. Combine that with Makerstrike;
Combo, Makerstrike: [Master Rune of Conduction, Rune of Smednir, Rune of Thungni][The weapon's molten hot blows vaporize flesh, progressively weakening the armour and weapons it strikes, and outright burns or melts sufficiently poor craftsmanship. The tool guides the bearer who wields it so that his craft has improved toughness and durability while Runes struck with it last longer.]

Runes made while wearing Barak Azamar while wielding our new Hammer will last for fucking ever
 
Oh hell yeah. Combine that with Makerstrike;
Combo, Makerstrike: [Master Rune of Conduction, Rune of Smednir, Rune of Thungni][The weapon's molten hot blows vaporize flesh, progressively weakening the armour and weapons it strikes, and outright burns or melts sufficiently poor craftsmanship. The tool guides the bearer who wields it so that his craft has improved toughness and durability while Runes struck with it last longer.]

Runes made while wearing Barak Azamar while wielding our new Hammer will last for fucking ever
Barring us encountering something with a similar effect to the Cloak of Beards, which nullifies Runes.

EDIT: Why are people marking this as Funny?
 
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Barring us encountering something with a similar effect to the Cloak of Beards, which nullifies Runes.
Would it though? Normal Runes draw power from the Winds. Our Runes though, at least those made from this point forward, will also be drawing power from the Living Earth. It obviously depends on how the Cloak of Beards works but our Runes may very well be somewhat immune to it
 
I can't help but wonder how this will effect narrative wise the story? With both the Hammer and Armour on to make Runes will there be a change that we notice in the writing or is it only a game-play change?
 
I can't help but wonder how this will effect narrative wise the story? With both the Hammer and Armour on to make Runes will there be a change that we notice in the writing or is it only a game-play change?
I think it will be another fashion statement... for our current apprentices to imitate

Battle casual?
Oh, I'm just wearing this to get some work done, don't mind me
 
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remember when Snorri was fighting the greedy troll and extended use of his anti magic amulet resulted in him gaining the ability to deny magic even without having the talismen , well I think it's possible that with enough time using both the hammer and the armor to channel the deep magic of the earth Snorri will develop the ability to naturally do so himself without the armor or tools and maybe even develop runes that specialize in using the deep magic to create all sorts of unique effects or develop techniques to channel and wield the magic of the earth which he can pass down , bringing great change to the dwarf race effectively becoming the ancestor god of magic
 
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Taking bets now if Creations of Note actually gets updated or if it won't be updated until the vote gets posted like BA was
remember when Snorri was fighting the greedy troll and extended use of his anti magic amulet resulted in him gaining the ability to deny magic even without having the talismen
No not in the slightest. Looking for it now though.
E: Huh

- Winds Dispersed: All Enemy Spells will suffer -15 automatically if Snorri takes the field. The power of your amulet and your continuous use of it throughout the battle has imparted a part of itself to you, turning your natural immunity to magic into a tangible effect that can cripple enemy casters.
I though passive was just part of being an old dwarf and stuff guess I was wrong.
 
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Huh, I hadn't remembered that part and that happening that way.

That makes me want to keep the Talisman slot as an anti-magic item perhaps. Well that, or, somehow tap into anti-magic and stone and deep earth themes for it. For a non-combat Talisman I might be interested in MPurification, Thungni, and Smednir (or maybe Stone in there somewhere?). Or maybe place that on a forge or structure rather than a Talisman...

Actually that reminds me. Our forge or workshop. With Barak Azamar, and now Zharrgal, Snorri is going to have much stronger and more mystical crafting tools.

Because I wonder. If, with Barak Azamar and Zharrgal (whatever it turns out being), it might be the case that Snorri now simply can work with metal and fire even more directly and finely? That Barak Azamar provides enough heat resistance and sheer strength, and Zharrgal enough heat and arête, that Snorri actually might want/need to upgrade his workshop or forge to keep up?

In fact. I wonder, how much more heat resistance would Snorri need on top of Barak Azamar, in order to be able to withstand the MPurification rune? If, for example, he had a Fireward Talisman on top of having Barak Azamar would that be enough? If so, it might be interesting to start working with Rune Metal and researching the Master Rune of Purification -- and the Adamant-Maker Combo, perhaps compressing it -- too.
Wonder if snorri will become permanently part gronti then?
If he loses a limb and replaces it with a prosthetic, then he will be
Huh, there's a thought. I wonder what it would be like if Snorri put Barak Azamar on Jorri and activated for a minute? How would Jorri's arm feel like, during that time?
 
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Did we ever discuss building a forge out of adamant? Not the whole thing, just the main part for the fires
what would be the point? It doesn't have runes on it, so building it out of adamant would be pretty pointless. Maybe if we needed to melt something with a melting point higher than adamant. At this point it would be pretty useless, imo
 
wait would BA let us live long enough to forge leitheroal equipment? that anti chaos metal.
Laihtero, and possibly? The reason for most Runesmiths trying to make it died was that they would drop dead once their single-minded pursuit of creating it couldn't sustain them through negligence in self care. BA might let us survive long enough, but would Snorri be able to seclude himself into his workshop for the potential centuries it would take when he could instead be making runic items that help save and improve Dawi lives? That I'm not so certain about.
 
I'm really glad I pushed (although it didn't take much) to make the hammer wearing our armour.
Items and Runes made while wearing Barak Azamar will instinctively draw from the deep magic of the earth as easily as they do the winds, improving their longevity.
Interestingly, items and runes. I wonder what potential that opens up. Do items physically regenerate, or are they tougher?
 
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[Canon] Nightfeather [Branakroki/Griffon] Added to Character Recruitment Pool (youre gonna need crits for this to happen +subvote)
"I'm sorry?" Arnfinn said.

"I said I wanted to join the Hearth Guard." His friend shot him a quizzical look. "Why, is that surprising? Do you think I'm too young?"

"Well, uh, no," Arnfinn floundered. "I suppose there's probably some wardens who are your age or younger. It's just..." he trailed off, searching fruitlessly for some tactful way to explain his reaction. "I don't think you're quite what Lord Snorri had in mind when he formed the guard?"

"I'm sure I don't know what you mean."

There was a moment of pained indecision, after which Arnfinn finally gave up on expressing himself diplomatically and settled for the blunt truth. "I think recruitment is probably only open to dwarfs, all right?"

Nightfeather clacked his beak at him. "I have perused the articles of association, and nowhere do they say membership is restricted to any particular species. On the contrary, aspirants of all lineages are explicitly permitted to apply. The only requirements are personal combat prowess and the desire to aid those in danger, both of which I possess, as well as useful noncombat skills. In that respect I believe I have much to offer: I am an experienced scout, for example, and could track down lost travellers from a high vantage point in the sky, or quickly ferry supplies to beleaguered prospectors stuck on a mountainside. I could carry messages great distances. If the group should ever encounter any of the sea folk, I could act as translator, regardless of what dialect those sea folk spoke. Furthermore, I can shoot lightning bolts out of my eyes."

Arnfinn pinched the bridge of his nose. He had found himself in a situation with which he had by now become familiar, knowing with bone-deep certainty Nightfeather was wrong but struggling to articulate exactly why. "Right, I'm sure you'd be very helpful, but that's not what I mean. The wardens are all longbeards, and you're not a longbeard, even if you're of an age with one."

"I do not believe having a beard is mandatory. The warden we met did not have one."

"She was a woman, of course she didn't have a beard!"

"So we agree," Nightfeather said shrewdly, "that 'longbeard' is merely a respectful term denoting age and experience, and that one can be a longbeard without in fact having a beard that is long?"

"Look, beard, plaits, you need one or the other and you haven't got either, so give it up."

"It is true I could not grow a facsimile of those things, either on my head or my throat, but if long hair on some part of the body is required, I have fur on my hindquarters and I believe with the right inducement it could grow quite long-"

"Please don't tell Lord Snorri you're planning to grow a beard on your ass," Arnfinn interjected. "He, uh, he would not take it in the spirit you intend. Look, just- forget about the hair thing, all right? It's all beside the point. A place in a runelord's personal retinue is one of the highest honours a citizen of Krakka Drakk can aspire to. Nobody's ever heard of someone who isn't even a dwarf holding a title like that."

Arnfinn and Nightfeather stared at each other for a long, awkward moment. Then: "I begin to understand. The author of the articles did not specify a member had to be a dwarf because, to him, it was so obvious it did not require mentioning. You object to my joining the retinue not because it would offend against some explicit rule, but rather because it would be unconventional. There is no precedent to draw on; I may protest my suitability for the position, but in the end, those are only words, and words without precedent carry little weight."

"Yeah, it'd be unprecedented, that's the word exactly," Arnfinn said gratefully. "It's nothing to do with you personally, a griffon retainer is just such a huge step from what we know. Maybe in a thousand years things will be different, but not now. I'm sorry."

"You need not be sorry, friend Arnfinn. The patron of the hearth wardens is known to depart from convention, from time to time, given sufficient cause. I merely need to persuade him that, although accepting a member of the sky folk as a retainer would be a new thing, in this instance it would also be a good thing."

"How are you gonna do that?" Arnfinn asked, interested despite himself.

"It is very simple. In the coming years and decades, I shall dedicate myself to assisting those in need of help, by co-ordinating with your rangers, accompanying the expedition to the place of isolation and by whatever other avenues I may think of. I shall come to the aid of many people, and once I have accrued much merit, I shall go before He Who Quietens the Wind. To my own petition, I shall add the testimonies of those I have assisted, thereby proving that even without precedent my words can still have weight. Once I have demonstrated my sincerity and the strength of my convictions, I believe he will be willing to set a new precedent."

"That's great, but you can't know Lord Snorri will take you on just because you've done some good work. Besides, he might already be full up on retainers by the time you're done preparing, for all you know. What then?"

Then I shall have acted with honour," Nightfeather said firmly, "and have earned the goodwill of many mountain folk in the process. My efforts will not have been wasted."

Arnfinn grasped for his next objection, and couldn't think of any. It was a damned odd thing, what Nightfeather was trying to do, but also honourable, in its own strange way. In fact, if he was going to go out of his way to help travellers in need then it'd be positively dishonourable to try to talk him out of it. "Well, I think you'll have a hard time convincing Lord Snorri, but I can see you're determined. So I guess all I can do is wish you luck."

"Your well wishes are much appreciated, friend Arnfinn. Now if you will excuse me; I have much planning to do."
 
"I'm sorry?" Arnfinn said.

"I said I wanted to join the Hearth Guard." His friend shot him a quizzical look. "Why, is that surprising? Do you think I'm too young?"

"Well, uh, no," Arnfinn floundered. "I suppose there's probably some wardens who are your age or younger. It's just..." he trailed off, searching fruitlessly for some tactful way to explain his reaction. "I don't think you're quite what Lord Snorri had in mind when he formed the guard?"

"I'm sure I don't know what you mean."

There was a moment of pained indecision, after which Arnfinn finally gave up on expressing himself diplomatically and settled for the blunt truth. "I think recruitment is probably only open to dwarfs, all right?"

Nightfeather clacked his beak at him. "I have perused the articles of association, and nowhere do they say membership is restricted to any particular species. On the contrary, aspirants of all lineages are explicitly permitted to apply. The only requirements are personal combat prowess and the desire to aid those in danger, both of which I possess, as well as useful noncombat skills. In that respect I believe I have much to offer: I am an experienced scout, for example, and could track down lost travellers from a high vantage point in the sky, or quickly ferry supplies to beleaguered prospectors stuck on a mountainside. I could carry messages great distances. If the group should ever encounter any of the sea folk, I could act as translator, regardless of what dialect those sea folk spoke. Furthermore, I can shoot lightning bolts out of my eyes."

Arnfinn pinched the bridge of his nose. He had found himself in a situation with which he had by now become familiar, knowing with bone-deep certainty Nightfeather was wrong but struggling to articulate exactly why. "Right, I'm sure you'd be very helpful, but that's not what I mean. The wardens are all longbeards, and you're not a longbeard, even if you're of an age with one."

"I do not believe having a beard is mandatory. The warden we met did not have one."

"She was a woman, of course she didn't have a beard!"

"So we agree," Nightfeather said shrewdly, "that 'longbeard' is merely a respectful term denoting age and experience, and that one can be a longbeard without in fact having a beard that is long?"

"Look, beard, plaits, you need one or the other and you haven't got either, so give it up."

"It is true I could not grow a facsimile of those things, either on my head or my throat, but if long hair on some part of the body is required, I have fur on my hindquarters and I believe with the right inducement it could grow quite long-"

"Please don't tell Lord Snorri you're planning to grow a beard on your ass," Arnfinn interjected. "He, uh, he would not take it in the spirit you intend. Look, just- forget about the hair thing, all right? It's all beside the point. A place in a runelord's personal retinue is one of the highest honours a citizen of Krakka Drakk can aspire to. Nobody's ever heard of someone who isn't even a dwarf holding a title like that."

Arnfinn and Nightfeather stared at each other for a long, awkward moment. Then: "I begin to understand. The author of the articles did not specify a member had to be a dwarf because, to him, it was so obvious it did not require mentioning. You object to my joining the retinue not because it would offend against some explicit rule, but rather because it would be unconventional. There is no precedent to draw on; I may protest my suitability for the position, but in the end, those are only words, and words without precedent carry little weight."

"Yeah, it'd be unprecedented, that's the word exactly," Arnfinn said gratefully. "It's nothing to do with you personally, a griffon retainer is just such a huge step from what we know. Maybe in a thousand years things will be different, but not now. I'm sorry."

"You need not be sorry, friend Arnfinn. The patron of the hearth wardens is known to depart from convention, from time to time, given sufficient cause. I merely need to persuade him that, although accepting a member of the sky folk as a retainer would be a new thing, in this instance it would also be a good thing."

"How are you gonna do that?" Arnfinn asked, interested despite himself.

"It is very simple. In the coming years and decades, I shall dedicate myself to assisting those in need of help, by co-ordinating with your rangers, accompanying the expedition to the place of isolation and by whatever other avenues I may think of. I shall come to the aid of many people, and once I have accrued much merit, I shall go before He Who Quietens the Wind. To my own petition, I shall add the testimonies of those I have assisted, thereby proving that even without precedent my words can still have weight. Once I have demonstrated my sincerity and the strength of my convictions, I believe he will be willing to set a new precedent."

"That's great, but you can't know Lord Snorri will take you on just because you've done some good work. Besides, he might already be full up on retainers by the time you're done preparing, for all you know. What then?"

Then I shall have acted with honour," Nightfeather said firmly, "and have earned the goodwill of many mountain folk in the process. My efforts will not have been wasted."

Arnfinn grasped for his next objection, and couldn't think of any. It was a damned odd thing, what Nightfeather was trying to do, but also honourable, in its own strange way. In fact, if he was going to go out of his way to help travellers in need then it'd be positively dishonourable to try to talk him out of it. "Well, I think you'll have a hard time convincing Lord Snorri, but I can see you're determined. So I guess all I can do is wish you luck."

"Your well wishes are much appreciated, friend Arnfinn. Now if you will excuse me; I have much planning to do."
...yes...Yes! Griffon members! Of course! A fantastic idea! You're a genius!
 
The wardens are all longbeards, and you're not a longbeard, even if you're of an age with one."
I'm not sure he can be that old? Snorri killed the Greedy One in turn 3, now is turn 30, which is 270 years. Even assuming the KotS was a few decades old when he ate the heart of the Greedy Ones firstborn, he'd be like 300 at most.
And that's the KotS himself. Unless he's one of the first generation of griffons he's unlikely to breach 200, far away from being a longbeard.
It's easy to forgot that the very birth of the Branakroki is in living memory of a good portion of the hold.
 
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...yes...Yes! Griffon members! Of course! A fantastic idea! You're a genius!

Well, maybe soul approves and maybe he doesn't, I guess we'll have to see. I mostly just wrote it because the idea of a pedantic griffon playing the Air Bud card made me lol.

I'm not sure he can be that old? We killed the Greedy One in turn 3, now is turn 30, which is 270 years. Even assuming the KotS was a few decades old when he ate the heart of the Greedy Ones firstborn, he'd be like 300 at most.
And that's the KotS himself. Unless he's one of the first generation of griffons he's unlikely to breach 200, far away from being a longbeard.
It's easy to forgot that the very birth of the Branakroki is in living memory of a good portion of the hold.

Dolgi's been called a longbeard since before he finished his apprenticeship. I don't remember exactly when it got added to his description but it was before he turned 150, at any rate, so I figure someone who's around 200 can probably qualify. Or maybe the Dolgi thing is an aberration, who knows, but in that case I figure I can chalk the whole thing up to artistic license. He's an old bird, at any rate.
 
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