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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Enthusiast#117 said:
We still have a T5 brain lying around.

We still haven't researched it to know what it's good for.

For all we know it would be perfect for a gronti; increasing it's autonomous decision-making ability and/or fighting with more skill.

Or maybe it wouldn't be useful for a Gronti, but we won't know till we do the research.




And yes. It is something of a vanity project.
But that just makes me more committed to making it a battlefield asset worth the expense.

Are we considering a Banner with M.Rune of Taunting? If the enemy army basically feeds itself to it, that would be... effective.

We'd need to make sure one of it's weapons was designed for continuous AOE work, but still...
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I am absolutely unwilling to waste T5 material on Gronti. The magic that awakens them retreats deeper into the earth.
 
Czes said:
Short question. Why does the Gronti have to look like Grimnir? I'm just wondering, if it isn't slightly presumptuous to build one in the image of our literal God when even his fellow Ancestor Gods and their direct descendents haven't done so.
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I think the idea is to make something impressive enough that it can compete with the Image of Grimnir the Doomed.

We've made the Miner, technically an image of Grungni, and the Maiden, inspired by Valaya... so a third, more impressive Gronti is just par for the course. It won't be Grimnir gronti... but "the Valiant"... or "the Warrior".
 
Czes said:
Short question. Why does the Gronti have to look like Grimnir? I'm just wondering, if it isn't slightly presumptuous to build one in the image of our literal God when even his fellow Ancestor Gods and their direct descendents haven't done so.
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It's probably acceptable to make a bot that looks like him. Snorri's already made one that looks like a younger valaya and nobody's given him shit for that.

Some posters have put forward an argument that making it in his image is supposed to be beneficial. It goes something like this: as his final act, Grimnir took off his armour and left on a mission that was sure to result in his death. In the future, ppl in this thread say, dwarfs who feel they've dishonoured themselves will emulate him as a form of socially acceptable suicide, marching off bare-chested to die gloriously in a fight with the biggest baddest monster they can find. This is bad, and it would be better if shamed dwarfs could recover their honour without killing themselves. The giant robot is supposed to help in this respect by being an extremely prominent representation of Grimnir as he was before he set of on his suicide mission, hopefully entrenching the idea of Grimnir the general in people's minds and making Grimnir the death-seeker less culturally prominent. This, it is hoped, would in turn make dwarfs less predisposed to suicide and more likely to go about redeeming themselves in some more contructive way. I personally don't believe this argument holds water, because it's basically just putting up a really huge billboard and doesn't offer any kind of explanation for Grimnir's final act that might compete with the lessons dwarfs will otherwise draw from it, but this is the case for Grimninator 2000 as presented to the thread.

(And then there's probably some other posters who don't care about any of this stuff and just want Grimninator because they think it would be cool, and, you know, fair play to them.)
 
What do you guys think are the 'elite' soldier of the Northern Holds, like Ravnsvake's Raven Cloaked.
 
I personally figure that while there's a chance of somehow affecting Slayer culture with the Grimnir-Bot 9000, it's more likely just to introduce a twist or spin on it rather than eliminate it entirely.

Though this does bring up a thought, one that might have come up in thread before - if Slayers aren't a thing right now, what do dawi who've broken oaths or had their honor violated to such a degree that they'd take the Oath in other circumstances do? Just regular suicide?
 
Xantalos said:
I personally figure that while there's a chance of somehow affecting Slayer culture with the Grimnir-Bot 9000, it's more likely just to introduce a twist or spin on it rather than eliminate it entirely.

Though this does bring up a thought, one that might have come up in thread before - if Slayers aren't a thing right now, what do dawi who've broken oaths or had their honor violated to such a degree that they'd take the Oath in other circumstances do? Just regular suicide?
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I don't think there is a standard response yet
 
Xantalos said:
I personally figure that while there's a chance of somehow affecting Slayer culture with the Grimnir-Bot 9000, it's more likely just to introduce a twist or spin on it rather than eliminate it entirely.

Though this does bring up a thought, one that might have come up in thread before - if Slayers aren't a thing right now, what do dawi who've broken oaths or had their honor violated to such a degree that they'd take the Oath in other circumstances do? Just regular suicide?
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well the merchant one just joined hearthguard, so perhaps hearthguard could become that for long beard or older dwarfs who disgrace themselves?
CatOnTheWeb said:
What do you guys think are the 'elite' soldier of the Northern Holds, like Ravnsvake's Raven Cloaked.
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I think they are awesome on want more of them especially since the only thing we are not great at right now is movement speed, which for obvious reason is bad
 
bird yells said:
(And then there's probably some other posters who don't care about any of this stuff and just want Grimninator because they think it would be cool, and, you know, fair play to them.)
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There is also the fact that Grimnir Gronti is literally what Snorri wants and has been a possible suggested project for dozen of turns or so. Ever since he went on his final pilgrimage.

I was actually the one who sparked the whole "make that shit as sparkly as possible" on account of creating incredibly powerful and opulent prestige project that reaches Mythical rank, which is literally said to alter the fate of nations by weight of its existence.
 
pucflek said:
There is also the fact that Grimnir Gronti is literally what Snorri wants and has been a possible suggested project for dozen of turns or so. Ever since he went on his final pilgrimage.

I was actually the one who sparked the whole "make that shit as sparkly as possible" on account of creating incredibly powerful and opulent prestige project that reaches Mythical rank, which is literally said to alter the fate of nations by weight of its existence.
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I mean if a nation had a nuke proof super kaiju mecha capable of single handidly erasing armies while ignoring literally everything you throw at it then yeah that would alter a lot of fates wouldn't it?
 
pucflek said:
There is also the fact that Grimnir Gronti is literally what Snorri wants and has been a possible suggested project for dozen of turns or so. Ever since he went on his final pilgrimage.
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You realise its a suggested project because soulcake was asked to add it? Exact same as Chains for a Dragon and A Matrons Banner.
They aren't there for some IC reason unless they've been referred to textually, otherwise they're just specific versions of this:
soulcake said:
[ ] [Difficult] Write In Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. Apply optional Rune Ingredients here. You've had an idea! This is the template for write in item request! Please put down the name, description and type of equipment/item you want made. Pt 2 of the item will cost differently depending on the number of items and potentially the size of it as well. A base guideline for Pt. 2 costs will be at the bottom of the post.
- [ ] Choose: choose three runes you want on the weapon.
- [ ] Theme: write in a theme for the weapon. (I will roll to see if you find a new combo)
- [ ] GM: Leave it to the GM. (I will roll to see if you find a new combo)
- [ ] Function: Give a function or effect for the item in question and the type of equipment. (I will do my best to fulfill the desired effect, if impossible or requiring materials I will alert you. I will roll to see if you find a new combo)
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That got enough thread momentum that soulcake thought it was worth formalising the idea.
If its been referenced in a story update, correct me but I don't think it has.
 
Dark as Silver said:
That got enough thread momentum that soulcake thought it was worth formalising the idea.
If its been referenced in a story update, correct me but I don't think it has.
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I really don't wanna go through the thread pages 664 to 715 to find out if there has been a suggestion about Grimnir Gronti that Soulcake took, but considering the elaborateness of it (Entire 4 projects, from Panoply to the actual Gronti, plus flavour text) i have just assumed that it was added by Snorri(Soulcake).
 
pucflek said:
I really don't wanna go through the thread pages 664 to 715 to find out if there has been a suggestion about Grimnir Gronti that Soulcake took, but considering the elaborateness of it (Entire 4 projects, from Panoply to the actual Gronti, plus flavour text) i have just assumed that it was added by Snorri(Soulcake).
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Honestly, finding it is just a matter of using the search function. The big problem is that soulcakes habit of editing posts makes it difficult for me to actually date things and its earliest appearance who came up with the idea.
Here is what I can offer as far as evidence its come from comments.
TotallyNotEvil said:
[ ] [Difficult] Write in, The Valiant Ancestor Golem Pt. 1: Since returning from the campaign you've been reflecting on Grimnir and how he fought, twin axes flashing. And now, He is gone. Grimnir's departure will be forever seared into the hearts and minds of the Karaz Ankor, of that you have no doubt. But what about His life? Unlike most, you are one of the honored few to have met Him in person, to have spoken with Him. You shall make a gronti to remind the world of His deeds, of His glorious life. The size of a Bloodthirster, a living altar of Pure Gromril clad in everlasting Adamant, it shall be powered by the Heart of the Greedy One to forever guard your people, much like Grimnir is doing even now.

[] [Difficult] Write in, War Panoply of The Valiant. Pt. 1: The gronti is done, but your work isn't. While its skin is made in the image of His warplate, such an homage to Grimnir would never been complete without His characteristic mighty axes. Two to wield in melee, one on its back to reach foes beyond the earth, made of the purest Adamant.

[] [Difficult] Write in, Regalia of The Valiant. Pt. 1: He is armed and armored, but more than a fighter, Grimnir was the finest general your people have ever, and will ever, have. A leader like no other, He strikes fear into the hearts of His foes, His brilliance unmatched, His presence unmistakable. A banner and a crown you shall create, at last, to tell of His deeds during the Coming of Chaos and remind stout dawi of who fights for them. What matters if the enemy is an army of Greater Daemons, a tide of corruption to blot out the skies and swallow the land? The Ancestors are always with us, and that's all we will ever need.

We should be able to more or less craft this without wait times from Adamant if the Big Smelter meets the minimum amount we expect of it. We don't need to go without Adamant Armor for ourselves to make it, but something this big will need a lot of power to run at peak efficiency. I believe there's no better use for the Heart, and it's a hell of a send-off for the Age of Ancestors. The plan is to make the KoTS armor on T24, our own on T25, Movement of Things on T26 and the Gronti on T27.

Like this? @BungieONI as you've apparently made a bunch of this, thoughts?
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From TotallyNotEvils words following the vote options, I think its clear that this is seeking opinions and improvement on a suggestion from the thread.
BungieONI said:
The first write in and the approach you are taking is pretty much an evolution of of my own thoughts about a month ago so I have no particular issue with it as itself. As a Gronti in general though I think it carries some issues when it comes to using the Heart on Gronti in general, which I've enumerated before and will enumerate below because while I don't mind if we commit the Heart to it because I primarily care about committing the Heart to something over anything else, I think the thread should know what problems it will face if it commits to this course:
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The fact that Bungie (in reponse to the previous quote) says that they had been developing a plan for months, is a strong sign that the plan to build a Gronti was in the works long before it was actually added to the threadmarks and originated from the thread not from Snorri.
that plan that they're mentioning was the Ymir golem, that got phased out because people prefered the Grimnir imagery.
BungieONI said:
I mean, yeah. What I'm talking about there for context is the Super Golem idea, Ymir. That has a lot of leg work in research to do the best, but crucially, those requirements are limited because as you and I have said. DOING is important. Need a terminus, cut off point, if you want to actually DO anything. Depending on what project we want done with it in the end there's some logical, and crucially, limited requirements to do that project appropriately. Research projects among them. Whatever that hypothetical project might be, there's been multiple suggestions. And, well, like I said and you mention about DOING things. One can argue that we should be researching everything to make the bestest thing ever and that we should get the widest selection of great ingredients. But we really shouldn't and its not a support to starting the Heart now because research and collection without end just wastes time and will inevitably exceed our abilities to even use anyway.

To revisit my old statements I've got no problems with trickle research(trickle research being defined in my mind as one to two actions, because our traits are pretty valuable) onto like, any project quite frankly, though obviously the Heart and the Rune Metal are in the lead in the priority list for the research as it stands. So putting the Heart onto next turn's plan is straightforward under that criteria. Basically, researching it now is good prepwork that we won't have to worry about in two centuries or whatever.

I don't have any real issue with starting the Heart now, largely because to do any of the projects that have been proposed that make a lot of use from it would just take Time and lots of it before the gathering of ingredients and scutwork to a project is done.

Basically in that post I'm objecting to the idea of projects with the Heart that are on the scale of Trollslayer. I'd like to do a project that's significant enough that build up is required to realize it, because I think that as it stands Snorri doesn't have the knowledge, tools, or materials to properly make use of the Heart. What exactly needs to be built up will vary between the various options we have. And tbh, before we get too far into such proposals we should research the Heart, so that we have a better grasp of its potential.
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This was dated April a month before the Grimnir Golem first appeared (? bloody edits) in the threadmarks

My apologies to TotallyNotEvil and BungieONI who are getting random quote alerts from this. :V
 
Dark as Silver said:
Honestly, finding it is just a matter of using the search function. The big problem is that soulcakes habit of editing posts makes it difficult for me to actually date things and its earliest appearance who came up with the idea.
Here is what I can offer as far as evidence its come from comments.

From TotallyNotEvils words following the vote options, I think its clear that this is seeking opinions and improvement on a suggestion from the thread.

The fact that Bungie (in reponse to the previous quote) says that they had been developing a plan for months, is a strong sign that the plan to build a Gronti was in the works long before it was actually added to the threadmarks and originated from the thread not from Snorri.
that plan that they're mentioning was the Ymir golem, that got phased out because people prefered the Grimnir imagery.

This was dated April a month before the Grimnir Golem first appeared (? bloody edits) in the threadmarks

My apologies to TotallyNotEvil and BungieONI who are getting random quote alerts from this. :V
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Can confirm that the Valiant and all of its associated equipment are write ins, don't recall putting them... I might have put them up myself but I'm pretty sure it was either TNE or TehChron who formalized them.
 
soulcake said:
Otrek son of Gorn, Lord of Clan Ironarm and King of Kraka Drakk is dead.

For three hundred and thirty-three years and thirty-three days did he rule his people wisely and justly, and now he is to be carried aloft by his kinsmen to the temple of Gazul and then to his eternal rest. For four days the Priests enact rituals and rites of their order beyond closed doors, just as tradition demands, and for four days the news proliferates throughout the Hold and surrounding area.
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Something I've realized with Otrek's legacy. Warhammer has some basic numerology going on, with each chaos god favoring multiples of a certain number or said number repeated. Of course, the chaos gods aren't the only deities around and other groups may have other sacred numbers, like Ranald and 4.

There are three major Ancestor gods, and the first king of Kraka Drak ruled 333 years, and 33 days. That's kinda cool.
 
That's a good 2000 years from now. So probably not. At this time either some Fimir boy or Beast Lord. Humans haven't really become much of a thing yet. I suppose we might get some early Humans but they kinda suck for a while.
 
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