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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'd rather not give Gimli any random equip just because. I believe we've outgrown giving non-narratively important gear.

If we do bother making him anything, then it should be a reminder to this campaign, so something tangenially related to Gazul would be best.
 
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TimEd said:
I'd rather not give Gimli any random equip just because. I bekieve we've outgrown giving non-narratively important gear.

If we do bother making him anything, then it should be a reminder to this campaign, so something tangenially related to Gazul would be best.
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Yeah, an axe for Grimnir + Gazul + Daemonslaying would be pretty evocative for what I think occurred in the depths of Dum on his part.
 
Between all the chains/mat sci/compression/understanding MR and the new ties research I don't think we should take too many commissions for a while. Also there's the retinue stuff to get to eventually which needs a few combo compression/understand a MR before starting some of Gnu's banner designs.

We're at 16 bars of adamant so eight turns out from the bloodthirster sized one though I'm guessing that's going to wait for the capstone mind/movement chains and maybe the brain research.
 
BungieONI said:
Yeah, an axe for Grimnir + Gazul + Daemonslaying would be pretty evocative for what I think occurred in the depths of Dum on his part.
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Or we could make him a sword. To my knowledge, there's no rule against using them, you just get Dawi giving you odd looks. And it would echo the tale of how Gazul came to wield Zharrvengryn we heard in the Karak Dum Campaign Part 2 update quite nicely. It would also be fitting, since Gimli's the one who's been going around being a monster slayer.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Or we could make him a sword. To my knowledge, there's no rule against using them, you just get Dawi giving you odd looks. And it would echo the tale of how Gazul came to wield Zharrvengryn we heard in the Karak Dum Campaign Part 2 update quite nicely. It would also be fitting, since Gimli's the one who's been going around being a monster slayer.
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Dwarves who use swords are ones who signal their devotion to Gazul, which is why they get odd looks. Giving him a sword would be pushing him into that worship, or the image of it at least, when we don't know if he actually wants to be and further, does not connect to a major part of his life which is his blood connection to Grimnir via the shape of an axe in his weapon of choice.

That's why he picked three Axes.

E: Plus eventually he's gonna use Trollslayer, which is an Axe and that's where his skills lie.
 
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So, are we sure the Adamant production is still up? Doesn't it need someone to do a few (short) grunt works per bar? And I doubt Snorri would have allowed anyone not in on the secret to mess with the adamant smelters as it stands.

So maybe when we get back we wont have any (well maybe 1) new adamant bars to work with.
 
BungieONI said:
We've been discussing Gloin's weapon for a long ass time, but not Gimli's. A Blizzard themed thing would be largely for Gloin more than Gimli, since it has more chance for Set Bonus with the Heir's Royal Panoply. I'm not adverse to making him that.

Gimli in the lineage basically has a place as something like the 'Future Prince' so to speak, which in my mind is a role distinct from the King and Heir, largely because we can expect it to be filled regularly given the time spans involved. So, going from that thought there is also an option to make him something Grimnir and monster-slaying themed since he's kinda keen on those things which can then carry forward for all future dwarfs in the 'Future Prince/Princess' role and then make something else for Gloin.

It would be more straight forward to make him something Ice themed to tidy up the Heir set for the future, and as it so happens I think Ironarm is going to come to us first, so we'll know a good way ahead of time when they're getting really. Granted I just remembered we don't have the Master Rune of Everfrost, so we can't really make a proper Ice themed axe, which is why we haven't up to this point.
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I mean the reason I want to give Gimli an ice axe is because it's been hinted pretty heavily that Otrek is going to step down soon once he's settled the Zornish clan into Kraka Drakk which means Gloin will take up the Kings Fire themed set and Gimli will take up the Heirs Ice themed set and when Gloin eventually steps down Gimlis ice axe will stay as the Heir axe as he takes up Trollslayer.

Also we don't need the MEverfrost to make a solid ice axe, we have this;
[Tier 4] Elder Thundertusk's Tusk x2: Can be a cold oriented upgrade to [T3] Stonehorn's Horns.
 
The issues, as I see it with giving Gimli a sword are like this:

-We are something like nine times his age on top of putting his grandfather on the throne and all of our manifold deeds for Ironarm. He will take what we say and do as literal gospel and shape himself to what he assumes is Snorri's wishes if we give him something.
-He's spent his life so far training with axes, with the expectation he will be using the Royal Panoplies and that is where his primary skill lies.
-He also seems to be pretty interested in Grimnir, with his choice of three axes in emulation of Grimnir, and in his general martial focus and monster hunter activities.

Basically if we make him a sword, he will take it, learn it and become a devotee of Gazul and straight up I don't want to mold him that much since he's already making his own decisions and seems to have a solid grasp of his own desires.

TimEd said:
So, are we sure the Adamant production is still up? Doesn't it need someone to do a few (short) grunt works per bar? And I doubt Snorri would have allowed anyone not in on the secret to mess with the adamant smelters as it stands.

So maybe when we get back we wont have any (well maybe 1) new adamant bars to work with.
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I presume he loaded it up and did it, cause it only takes a short time to actually transmute the bars and he had time to do that before he left. The time span in between is all the recharge time.

UlseDovThur said:
I mean the reason I want to give Gimli an ice axe is because it's been hinted pretty heavily that Otrek is going to step down soon once he's settled the Zornish clan into Kraka Drakk which means Gloin will take up the Kings Fire themed set and Gimli will take up the Heirs Ice themed set and when Gloin eventually steps down Gimlis ice axe will stay as the Heir axe as he takes up Trollslayer.
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That's where my own thoughts were leaning.

UlseDovThur said:
Also we don't need the MEverfrost to make a solid ice axe, we have this;
[Tier 4] Elder Thundertusk's Tusk x2: Can be a cold oriented upgrade to [T3] Stonehorn's Horns.
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That could be interesting.
 
UlseDovThur said:
I mean the reason I want to give Gimli an ice axe is because it's been hinted pretty heavily that Otrek is going to step down soon once he's settled the Zornish clan into Kraka Drakk which means Gloin will take up the Kings Fire themed set and Gimli will take up the Heirs Ice themed set and when Gloin eventually steps down Gimlis ice axe will stay as the Heir axe as he takes up Trollslayer.

Also we don't need the MEverfrost to make a solid ice axe, we have this;
[Tier 4] Elder Thundertusk's Tusk x2: Can be a cold oriented upgrade to [T3] Stonehorn's Horns.
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I'm guessing you want to try for the MSmiting hammer that was proposed a while back? The MSmiting/impact/might one?
 
BungieONI said:
An option to replace Impact or Might could theoretically be Empowerment, if we can use it on a weapon. Which we might not be able to.
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Well it is a base/simple rune. Can't see why not. But no I was thinking MSmiting(ETT), Cold(Thundertusk Blood), Impact(Thundertusk Tusk).
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
Empowerment causes a debuff though which probably isn't ideal for a non gronti. MSmiting/impact/might with the thundertusk might be as close to the cold version of meteorfall as we can get without MEverfrost though.
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Only for an equal amount of time as it was active. If the user only activated it at the moment of impact then immediately turned it off the down time would be less time then it would take to wind up the second hit.
 
BungieONI said:
Yeah, an axe for Grimnir + Gazul + Daemonslaying would be pretty evocative for what I think occurred in the depths of Dum on his part.
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Actually, with the conversation he had with Snorri and what we tried to impart on him? A Talisman of Valaya might actually go really well. Not sure what runes specifically we could use. But the goal would be similar to the conversation.

Something to remind him of why he's doing what he does, even when its shit like in Dum. Something to remind him of Home, the dwarves he is obligated to lead and protect. Something to help him when he might of lost his way, reminding him of the obligation he has to lead his people.

Not sure what Runes it should use unfortunately. Rune of Valaya should be on there for the Hearth is part of her domain but beyond that I have no idea.

edit; its a pity we can't really reuse the combo we have for the Wyrmheart Amulet but it has a similar idea to what I was going for, just not totally focused on the warmth of the home.
 
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Captain Spatula said:
Actually, with the conversation he had with Snorri and what we tried to impart on him? A Talisman of Valaya might actually go really well. Not sure what runes specifically we could use. But the goal would be similar to the conversation.

Something to remind him of why he's doing what he does, even when its shit like in Dum. Something to remind him of Home, the dwarves he is obligated to lead and protect. Something to help him when he might of lost his way, reminding him of the obligation he has to lead his people.

Not sure what Runes it should use unfortunately. Rune of Valaya should be on there for the Hearth is part of her domain but beyond that I have no idea.
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I was thinking that Wandering fit him, he can always go where he needs and wants and is in a sense a being who can make choices on where he wants to go and who he wants to be. Then put that together with Gazul and Light or possibly Fire to indicate that he can stand against the Darkness like Gazul does or Gazul + Spellbreaking to kind of say he is not bound by evil magics with the further implication of evil fates, but Valaya would work rather well as a reminder of home and safe harbor as well as freedom from ills with Wandering.
 
BungieONI said:
I was thinking that Wandering fit him, he can always go where he needs and wants and is in a sense a being who can make choices on where he wants to go and who he wants to be. Then put that together with Gazul and Light or possibly Fire to indicate that he can stand against the Darkness like Gazul does or Gazul + Spellbreaking to kind of say he is not bound by evil magics with the further implication of evil fates, but Valaya would work rather well as a reminder of home and safe harbor as well as freedom from ills with Wandering.
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Yeah, I looked through the Rune List, saw Rune of Direction and figured "Yeah, pair that with a MR of Valaya so that he will always know where Home and Hearth are" and then I read what the Rune actually did. Bit let down after that.

edit; Suppose that's something we could work on eventually. Direction is such a broad concept. Point the way to Hearth and Home. Guide the way to an answer he's after. Give him Direction for when he doesn't know what to do. Would be an interesting thing to maybe eventually pair with the Rune of Ties (Fate?) we just got.
 
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Captain Spatula said:
Yeah, I looked through the Rune List, saw Rune of Direction and figured "Yeah, pair that with a MR of Valaya so that he will always know where Home and Hearth are" and then I read what the Rune actually did. Bit let down after that.
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Yeah. With Wandering and Valaya and Gazul, the two ancestors most about safe harbor and sanctuary, I get the big vibe of "always be able to wander back home".
 
BungieONI said:
Yeah. With Wandering and Valaya and Gazul, the two ancestors most about safe harbor and sanctuary, I get the big vibe of "always be able to wander back home".
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Less than what I was going for but it could pair really well if we can make him another talisman to pair with it. MR Valaya, Brotherhood (maybe if we stretch it reaaaaly far) and something else to tie into somehow having a feel for how his hearth and home is doing. I'd wanna say kingship or fate but those aren't really a thing we can do yet.

Using Brotherhood for the connection aspect, tying it to the MR of Valaya in her aspect of the Ancestor God of the Hearth and Home and then Kingship or Fate to always have a general feel for whats happening in his Domain/People while he's out on campaign.

So giving a link from Gimli to his future domain and allowing him to know with 100% surety how his people are faring whenever he might be questioning what he's doing. It could give him that extra drive to go above and beyond knowing that what he's doing will contribute to making sure his domain remains peaceful and prosperous.
 
I really dont wanna give Gimli any weapons. Our newly adopted daughter is starting to form a business relationship with him, and we dont wanna be messing with that.

It's why I support giving him a talisman (or any other thing Karstah hasn't shown interest in) of some sort, since it could be construed as something Karstah has to match up to (a runic yardstick) instead of a reproof (replacing her hard work).
 
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