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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Aramis said:
Wait, do illiterate dwarves exist in enough numbers for that to be an issue? During their Golden Age, no less? Huh, I suppose that even with such long childhoods they might not find someone to teach them how to read and write. It's just disconcerting for me to think about them as such.

Edit: Just read through the explanations up above. Sorry, I didn't think to refresh before I posted.
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Dwarfs still live in a preindustrial society so literacy isn't guaranteed. The average Dwarf probably knows enough of the Klinkarhun and Agrurhun to get by but aside from the recordkeepers and loremasters a lot of Dwarf history is orally transmitted from elder to beardling and remembered with great precision, but is still nevertheless checked against the written accounts by those who can read from time to time. Not that the elders will brook any correction from anyone but their peers or elders.
 
soulcake said:
Dwarfs still live in a preindustrial society so literacy isn't guaranteed. The average Dwarf probably knows enough of the Klinkarhun and Agrurhun to get by but aside from the recordkeepers and loremasters a lot of Dwarf history is orally transmitted from elder to beardling and remembered with great precision, but is still nevertheless checked against the written accounts by those who can read from time to time. Not that the elders will brook any correction from anyone but their peers or elders.
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Why back in my day we remembered things none of this writing stuff ruining beardlings memory.
 
soulcake said:
Dwarfs still live in a preindustrial society so literacy isn't guaranteed. The average Dwarf probably knows enough of the Klinkarhun and Agrurhun to get by but aside from the recordkeepers and loremasters a lot of Dwarf history is orally transmitted from elder to beardling and remembered with great precision, but is still nevertheless checked against the written accounts by those who can read from time to time. Not that the elders will brook any correction from anyone but their peers or elders.
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Not like that is necessary. The Indigenous Australians kept accurate historical facts alive for several millenia, from before Christ, unchanged solely by word of mouth. I find the parallels cool. It also makes the fact that Dawi lost so much of their history post Age of Woes all the more tragic, because the people who could pass it on would have all died. Which is kinda really scary.
 
TehChron said:
I'm not sure if you're being ironical bringing up the Aboriginals as a parallel to Dawi culture or not
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I mean, the only parallel i am making (and seeing) is the record keeping. I find the fact that you can keep an accurate record of an event for eighteen thousand years solely by word of mouth with no deviation even in real life to be utterly fascinating.
 
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pucflek said:
I mean, the only parallel i am making (and seeing) is the record keeping. I find the fact that you can keep an accurate record of an event for eighteen thousand years solely by word of mouth with no deviation even in real life to be utterly fascinating.
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No, like that's what I mean

Their entire culture was locked in stasis for eighteen thousand years

That's why I wasnt sure if you were being ironical or not
 
soulcake said:
Dwarfs still live in a preindustrial society so literacy isn't guaranteed. The average Dwarf probably knows enough of the Klinkarhun and Agrurhun to get by but aside from the recordkeepers and loremasters a lot of Dwarf history is orally transmitted from elder to beardling and remembered with great precision, but is still nevertheless checked against the written accounts by those who can read from time to time. Not that the elders will brook any correction from anyone but their peers or elders.
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I imagine back in the days before the ancestors adoption could often also be slowed by dwarves whose father had gotten on perfectly well in the mines without it and didn't see a reason to learn this new fangled writing when the sign on the tavern was shaped like its name. :p
 
Hm.

Do you suppose the Dwarfs could make a runic whatever out of a greeskin? Say, one of the bosses or shamans?
 
Almost certainly yes, given our habits on the subject. The question is what Orc bitz... do?

Probably good for Strength runes.
 
There is also Soul's general avoidance of anything to do with using sapient beings as runic ingredients, because it can go very iffy places if you don't keep a proper rein on it. He only kept dragons in because its representative of the malaise and issues between dwarves and dragons. And its relatively easy to handle just having basically one thing of this type to deal with.

Among other things, he has actually changed some stuff, as IIRC the stuff that uses Stonehorn bits initially used Giant bits.
 
With regards to the whole Kholek being gone thing, I'd be a little hesitant to start celebrating hard.

Not just because some of the time he's likely smashing things/groups that are evil and would be a problem that now will need someone else to smash them either. No, the thing I'm more worried about is that Chaos now has room in its upper tier champion roster, and it might get filled by someone/thing that isn't dormant 4/5 of the time.

Now, whatever fills the slot is also likely to be substantially less killy for the remaining 1/5 of the time, sure, but it's not an absolute given that the forces of order are coming out substantially ahead on this.

Chaos fucking cheats.
 
BungieONI said:
There is also Soul's general avoidance of anything to do with using sapient beings as runic ingredients, because it can go very iffy places if you don't keep a proper rein on it. He only kept dragons in because its representative of the malaise and issues between dwarves and dragons. And its relatively easy to handle just having basically one thing of this type to deal with.

Among other things, he has actually changed some stuff, as IIRC the stuff that uses Stonehorn bits initially used Giant bits.
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Well that's probably also because the Giants aren't really a THING yet. There's Sky Titans, but not Giants. And the Sky Titans... I don't think the Dawi know Sky Titans EXIST yet?

It's hard to make Runes out of that which we have never met.
 
BungieONI said:
There is also Soul's general avoidance of anything to do with using sapient beings as runic ingredients, because it can go very iffy places if you don't keep a proper rein on it. He only kept dragons in because its representative of the malaise and issues between dwarves and dragons. And its relatively easy to handle just having basically one thing of this type to deal with.

Among other things, he has actually changed some stuff, as IIRC the stuff that uses Stonehorn bits initially used Giant bits.
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True.

But then it was more of a "in general", rather than specifically here, in this quest, with Soulcake.
 
BungieONI said:
There is also Soul's general avoidance of anything to do with using sapient beings as runic ingredients, because it can go very iffy places if you don't keep a proper rein on it. He only kept dragons in because its representative of the malaise and issues between dwarves and dragons. And its relatively easy to handle just having basically one thing of this type to deal with.

Among other things, he has actually changed some stuff, as IIRC the stuff that uses Stonehorn bits initially used Giant bits.
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Aren't trolls sapient too? I don't know wahammer lore very well, but the art has them wielding hammers and the wiki talks about them being bribed by orks which implies they're not just animals.

Hell, didn't Fjolla actually talk to a greedy troll before killing and butchering it for meat recently?

I agree with you on not hunting down thinking beings for parts, but the most significant IC deviation from that standard isn't the dragon blood.

I just avoid thinking about it too hard when it comes up on screen, but it feels kind of awkward to start talking about the boundaries of good taste without acknowledging the contents of our pantry.
 
I'm pretty sure Giants were a thing before the Sky Titans fell too, with Gants being at least in part beings that helped with some of the Old Ones great works but fell to corruption over long periods of exposure to Chaos energies in many cases (the Albion giants being an exception)
 
BronzeTongue said:
Aren't trolls sapient too? I don't know wahammer lore very well, but the art has them wielding hammers and the wiki talks about them being bribed by orks which implies they're not just animals.

Hell, didn't Fjolla actually talk to a greedy troll before killing and butchering it for meat recently?

I agree with you on not hunting down thinking beings for parts, but the most significant IC deviation from that standard isn't the dragon blood.

I just avoid thinking about it too hard when it comes up on screen, but it feels kind of awkward to start talking about the boundaries of good taste without acknowledging the contents of our pantry.
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Troll sapience is a pretty murky context honestly, since most of the time they are just animals. Greedy Trolls deviate from that norm though it appears. And yeah I feel it'd be best to just not think about it too hard and not get too deep into it.
 
argenten said:
I'm pretty sure Giants were a thing before the Sky Titans fell too, with Gants being at least in part beings that helped with some of the Old Ones great works but fell to corruption over long periods of exposure to Chaos energies in many cases (the Albion giants being an exception)
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Checking the wiki, no, Giants are degenerated Sky Titans.
Giant

Nothing about the Giants helping with Old One works, just... degraded Sky Titans after the Ogres decided THEY HONGRY MEN.
 
ArchAIngel said:
Checking the wiki, no, Giants are degenerated Sky Titans.
Giant

Nothing about the Giants helping with Old One works, just... degraded Sky Titans after the Ogres decided THEY HONGRY MEN.
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From your link

" Giants are the creation of the Old Ones, designed to protect their treasures and secrets.[8a]​ In ages past, the Giants were the direct descendants of the Sky Titan civilisation, who ruled benevolently within the highest peaks of the Mountains of Mourn. They were far larger than any Giants of today, and were also considerably more intelligent. Unlike the Giants, the Skytitans didn't interfere with the lands below; instead, they kept to themselves, secure in their ancient fortresses surrounded by a sea of clouds. For the most part, they only ventured from their fastnesses to tend to their flocks of Mammoths, aloof from the conflict of the world below. As with all things, however, this peace was destined to end, and the Skytitans were eventually destroyed by the destructive migration of the Ogre race. "
 
argenten said:
From your link

" Giants are the creation of the Old Ones, designed to protect their treasures and secrets.[8a]​ In ages past, the Giants were the direct descendants of the Sky Titan civilisation, who ruled benevolently within the highest peaks of the Mountains of Mourn. They were far larger than any Giants of today, and were also considerably more intelligent. Unlike the Giants, the Skytitans didn't interfere with the lands below; instead, they kept to themselves, secure in their ancient fortresses surrounded by a sea of clouds. For the most part, they only ventured from their fastnesses to tend to their flocks of Mammoths, aloof from the conflict of the world below. As with all things, however, this peace was destined to end, and the Skytitans were eventually destroyed by the destructive migration of the Ogre race. "
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yep sky titans in past

on unrelated note

yah it unlikely for them to come into contact with dwarves due to them being so so high up in the sky and mountian of mourne seperating them and think it will be a little bit before the dwarves start expanding into new ranges again, so it will at a minium be a little while before contact happen and sky titans have a while too and looking at canon timeline it a thousands and more year until

though if we save farther of mammoths then we might found at that way when he starts to sense the slaughter of mammoths that whille occur in east when orges invade


are the darkalnd going to be a devasted land with no life like in canon?
 
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