Feedback from our friends is the most important thing when deciding what to do with Riona. Because we get too caught up in our head sometimes. Its like infinity in here.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Thanks. I'll be more careful with that in the future.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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I mean, yea, you're right, but Homura has a special case in that she basically knows objectively what her despair amounts to and has a karmic link to actual motherfucking God and I'm not even going to begin to pretend to know how that fucks with karmic destiny bullshit but I'd sooner blame that than Madoka's will.
Stop: Just need to address a few things
just need to address a few things
Congratulations are also in order here, it seems. For you have won a timeout from the thread, courtesy of yours truly, for your uncivil behavior.
Let's keep the thread banner in mind in the future before you post, yeah?
Good thing I'm gonna keep this short and sweet then. You get warnings because you are being disruptive in the thread and arguing that a point that the QM has requested not be argued. That is disruptive to the thread, and this post serves as nothing but a derail.
With that in mind, let's go with an extended vacation. 2 weeks will do here.
Again, this is not something that needs to be brought up in the thread. The QM has made it clear that he does not wish for the thread to discuss this topic and to leave it be, and all you're doing is derailing the thread with your arguments. So take a few days off to clear your head and remember to abide by the QM's rules in the future.
As for everyone else, please follow the rules established by the QM in the thread, and remember to stay civil with each other and avoid certain topics. It's keeps the stress down overall if everyone plays nicely, after all.
And the award for "Fastest way to kill light-hearted humor with horror" for this week goes to... LendvaV!
Folks, let's show LendvaV what he's won!
That's right, a facepalm! Let's give our contestant a round of forehead-smacking facepalms!
Congratulations are also in order here, it seems. For you have won a timeout from the thread, courtesy of yours truly, for your uncivil behavior.
Let's keep the thread banner in mind in the future before you post, yeah?
Good thing I'm gonna keep this short and sweet then. You get warnings because you are being disruptive in the thread and arguing that a point that the QM has requested not be argued. That is disruptive to the thread, and this post serves as nothing but a derail.
With that in mind, let's go with an extended vacation. 2 weeks will do here.
Again, this is not something that needs to be brought up in the thread. The QM has made it clear that he does not wish for the thread to discuss this topic and to leave it be, and all you're doing is derailing the thread with your arguments. So take a few days off to clear your head and remember to abide by the QM's rules in the future.
As for everyone else, please follow the rules established by the QM in the thread, and remember to stay civil with each other and avoid certain topics. It's keeps the stress down overall if everyone plays nicely, after all.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Hrmmm.
To try and get back into more light-hearted discussion...
Sabrina's referenced a few magical girl shows at this point - Sailor Moon, of course, Nanoha, Cardcaptor Sayaka...
So, what else can/should we do? Something from Utena? Tutu? Precure? Mew Mew, whenever we get around to appeasing @Kaizuki with cat ears?
E: Hmm. I think we can get some Tanya references in when we're dealing with Yuki in the future...
To try and get back into more light-hearted discussion...
Sabrina's referenced a few magical girl shows at this point - Sailor Moon, of course, Nanoha, Cardcaptor Sayaka...
So, what else can/should we do? Something from Utena? Tutu? Precure? Mew Mew, whenever we get around to appeasing @Kaizuki with cat ears?
E: Hmm. I think we can get some Tanya references in when we're dealing with Yuki in the future...
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Well, certainly there's that risk. I can speak for me only, but I changed my mind before that WoG: The chances of getting a promise we could trust from Riona (hell, a promise at all) that she wouldn't kill anyone else showed themselves last update to be in the real of e elevated to the negative eighty seven, which are basically 0. More 0 than anything not zero can be, more or less.
So the odds became, to me, pretty certain that not stopping Riona meant more death.
Now, that's me. From an in universe perspective, there's of course going to be hard to judge cases. Meguca con could convince us that they're gonna turn good even thought they won't, if we're lenient enough to not sweep those alongside the truly repentant when we work to allow 'evil' meguca to repent.
... Of course, there's probably a lot we could take from RL to better apply judgement, and measure we could employ to minimize risks (safety measures). But, give we got magic, I think that's what we're gonna base our judging and safety measure.
So... Precog's out, but mind related powers seem to be a dime a dozen, so we probably can get reliable lie detection, at least.
Some sort of Geas for the extreme cases?
Also, magic aside, therapists. Meguca Need Therapists Badly.
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- Illinois
I...
Can we go over Sayaka and the witchbomb, actually? I think most of the argument got laid out IC -- she can handle it, it'll hurt, etc etc... hm, never mind.
I just... after this, I wanna take Sayaka more places. And I want to see if...
I think we need a science session with Mami. I want to give her a magic booster and see what she can do with the clone technique.
In all honesty, what struck me the most with this arc was how alone we can be, sometimes. We were in our very seat of power and we didn't speak with any of the characters we so love for something like three months OOC. I don't think we've ever really done that before, at least not in my time here, and I hated it.
Our friends stabilize us. They make the updates something to look forward. Their absence was chilling, and I think if there's a single lesson we should take from this it's that we should do more to keep them by our side.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Our last roadtrip with Sayaka went well. We might want to do another of those. Kyoto in particular seems interesting to me, since the Shrine Maidens there have a magic booster, which sounds really intriguing combined with Sayaka's power. Hah - maybe with a boost she could even finally copy us?
Also, it may be asking a bit too much, but if anywhere's going to have records on how the transition between semi-open magic to the current masquerade went, it'd be an ancient shrine, right? (Assuming the "shrine maidens" aren't just cosplayers with a theme, that is...)
E: Also, if all of you haven't had enough infuriating conversations that go nowhere yet, there is one other thing left to do today...
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We need to remember to do things tonight:Our last roadtrip with Sayaka went well. We might want to do another of those. Kyoto in particular seems interesting to me, since the Shrine Maidens there have a magic booster, which sounds really intriguing combined with Sayaka's power. Hah - maybe with a boost she could even finally copy us?
Also, it may be asking a bit too much, but if anywhere's going to have records on how the transition between semi-open magic to the current masquerade went, it'd be an ancient shrine, right? (Assuming the "shrine maidens" aren't just cosplayers with a theme, that is...)
E: Also, if all of you haven't had enough infuriating conversations that go nowhere yet, there is one other thing left to do today...
Niko asked us to call her after we met Riona.
We were gonna call Nagisa (and make speckled enchants). We should call our Imouto.
We need to talk with Hijiri, but maybe tomorrow? Morning check up?
We're gonna need to talk with Nadia.
But most important, above everything else, we need to do the dishes. We left them in the sink.
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We haven't heard her say "that's so cool" in a while, have we?
Road trips sound neat, and since Sayaka has the effect of the Mobile Offensive Mediator copied, we can try a few of our ideas along the way!
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
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- Walking the Endless Corridors
Eh, Maybe after we have a chance to hug our friends and cool off with mumitimez.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I still like the idea of calling it the Arthra.
Sayaka's can be the Saint's Cradle, right @The Phoenixian ?
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- The state of Paranoia
We can take her with us to Edinburgh? We're probably going to be spending a while there, so I would suggest bringing everyone we can. If nothing else, so that the thread doesn't go nuts from only having Homura to talk to.
Part of securing Edinburgh and filling the power vacuum will be interviewing meguca to see if they can be trusted with power and how to fix their problems enough that they won't go all Akiko on people. During these interviews, Sayaka will be able to ask to copy their powers. Even better, she might be able to find a lie detector power, which will be invaluable for interviews, useful for the next time we find an annoying meguca, and might even help us interrogate Riona if we ever feel confident waking her up again.
Mami is needed for hugs, and also to connect everyone if we go in timestop.
Homura is needed for timestop. There might be some advantages to not being under timestop while there, but it's probably a bad idea to spend this much time away from Mitakihara if we can help it. It might be hard to convince her to go though, since this isn't really connected to saving Madoka and actually pulls her away from where Madoka is.
Anyone I'm missing? Oriko might be helpful for social, but I'm not sure whether Homura would be okay with that. Or whether Sayaka would be, for that matter.
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Appletank
Acquire Cheese
After all, the most powerful Magic is Friendship.
...shit, my fandom card is showing again.
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I don't get that reference.I still like the idea of calling it the Arthra.
Sayaka's can be the Saint's Cradle, right @The Phoenixian ?
On another note, who else wants to say 'Grieve no more!' the next time we rescue somebody?
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While we're on the topic of things to do today:
We can have our venting session with Homu while we're at it, too. Just chill with mom.
We can have our venting session with Homu while we're at it, too. Just chill with mom.
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- Illinois
Re: after-action:
There are a number of loose ends after this arc.
- Rionna mentioned friends in Tokyo. Who? What kind of people?
- Maintaining our link with Nadia
I'm going to recommend the following actions in the aftermath...
1) Outreach. A short statement regarding our actions should be posted to the IRC we are familiar with. It should explain that Rionna stated she would have liked to take our soul, that she expressed an intention to continue harming -- murdering -- innocents in a scenario where she did not need to worry about cleansing, that she engaged in the use of what she placed beyond reasonable doubt were sapient souls (1) as slaves and expressed a desire to maintain that state of affairs, that we disconnected her soul gem from her body, and that we intend to preserve both in separation for the foreseeable future. It should be accompanied by photographs of her body and her soul gem in two different places, clearly disconnected and unharmed. Nadia should be notified of the statement's existence -- if she knows of the IRC, she can access it.
2) We should really start utilizing Sayaka more heavily. We need to explore the limitations on her teleportation.
3) We should ask Oriko why we weren't supposed to inquire about Rionna's sister. We didn't, but we don't really see the reasoning. Was it simply dangerous?
4) We should look into Rionna's friends in Tokyo, just in case.
1 needs to happen next vote-ish. I understand that the gem will be in an anti-magic box, but opening the box after proper preparation should be completely safe, and it can be closed afterwards. I think it's well worth establishing that we didn't kill her.
(1) -- There would have been no reason to raise her sister's killer if the shades weren't sapient and couldn't suffer.
There are a number of loose ends after this arc.
- Rionna mentioned friends in Tokyo. Who? What kind of people?
- Maintaining our link with Nadia
I'm going to recommend the following actions in the aftermath...
1) Outreach. A short statement regarding our actions should be posted to the IRC we are familiar with. It should explain that Rionna stated she would have liked to take our soul, that she expressed an intention to continue harming -- murdering -- innocents in a scenario where she did not need to worry about cleansing, that she engaged in the use of what she placed beyond reasonable doubt were sapient souls (1) as slaves and expressed a desire to maintain that state of affairs, that we disconnected her soul gem from her body, and that we intend to preserve both in separation for the foreseeable future. It should be accompanied by photographs of her body and her soul gem in two different places, clearly disconnected and unharmed. Nadia should be notified of the statement's existence -- if she knows of the IRC, she can access it.
2) We should really start utilizing Sayaka more heavily. We need to explore the limitations on her teleportation.
3) We should ask Oriko why we weren't supposed to inquire about Rionna's sister. We didn't, but we don't really see the reasoning. Was it simply dangerous?
4) We should look into Rionna's friends in Tokyo, just in case.
1 needs to happen next vote-ish. I understand that the gem will be in an anti-magic box, but opening the box after proper preparation should be completely safe, and it can be closed afterwards. I think it's well worth establishing that we didn't kill her.
(1) -- There would have been no reason to raise her sister's killer if the shades weren't sapient and couldn't suffer.
I really only miss Nagisa right now, tbh. Any plans to visit Best Little Sister?
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
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- Walking the Endless Corridors
We should call her this evening, or tomorrow morning.
EDIT: I really want to write Sabrina Meeting 'Mami Said to Knock You Out's Yuma...
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- The state of Paranoia
We also have to go and stabilize Edinburgh. The reason we're gemming Riona is because any lives she takes from now on is on our hands. Similarly, anyone who dies because we gemmed Riona is also our fault.
Therefore, we need to fill up the power vacuum that will shortly appear in Edinburgh. I think we can assume we have at least 1 day until things start deteriorating, since Riona wasn't planning to be back until then, but we don't know how long after that that we have.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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after this things I want Sabrina to do
1) Mumi Hugs
2) Rant in timestop with Homura
3) More Mumi hugs
4) IDK... hunt some witches. Be nice to do something more or less straighfoward AND it gives us more seeds to test stuff on or use as baselines.
1) Mumi Hugs
2) Rant in timestop with Homura
3) More Mumi hugs
4) IDK... hunt some witches. Be nice to do something more or less straighfoward AND it gives us more seeds to test stuff on or use as baselines.
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- Illinois
We aren't obligated to do that, but we should, yes. However, I would like to study Sayaka's teleportation capabilities first -- ballistic travel would take too damn long.
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- USA, Midworld world line
@Kaizuki , @Sentient Tree , @Redshirt Army -
Sayaka has our back for support extraordinaire. Let's not change Rionna's tickets to account for her stay in Japan. Instead, we should pretend she went home. Espionage action! Sayaka clones herself, disguises the clone as Rionna, uses her ticket and exits / enters customs correctly. Much better way to tie off the loose ends. Then she can swap teleport Yuki over there, if we go that route.
This would be a different menu than the fact-finding trip in timestop.
Sayaka has our back for support extraordinaire. Let's not change Rionna's tickets to account for her stay in Japan. Instead, we should pretend she went home. Espionage action! Sayaka clones herself, disguises the clone as Rionna, uses her ticket and exits / enters customs correctly. Much better way to tie off the loose ends. Then she can swap teleport Yuki over there, if we go that route.
This would be a different menu than the fact-finding trip in timestop.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I think this is pretty damn insightful, actually. @Firnagzen , you might want to take note of this.
This whole mess might not have been as exhausting and frustrating and...well, boring, if it weren't just Sabrina and Rionna, with the latter being someone not sympathetic, refusing to give much insight into her character (making it like pulling teeth), refusing to compromise or show interest in anything we had to offer (to the point of being willing to actually offer anything), and being really frustrating to deal with. The wishborne Hijiri was similar, but the whole situation was tempered by the fact that A) trying to deal with her was a shorter affair, and B) we were with a bunch of other characters that we liked and found interesting.
Likewise, Megane Ono was another supremely frustrating and confusing character to deal with, but you did a great job of establishing sympathy for her from the get-go--the clear implication that she was soon going to become a Witch (and the nature of her despair), being in the middle of crying and stumbling when first meeting her, being obviously new to being an MG, and having a legitimate (if entirely overblown) excuse to be rude and uncooperative with us--plus getting some insight into her character when seeing the state of her home and her room. And the fact that we were with Mami and Homura during the crisis helped, too.
Similarly, as frustrating as Akiko was (and how puzzling and stubborn she was), we were always interacting with other characters alongside that, who were also part of the situation, and there were plenty of hints eventually that Akiko was definitely not entirely sane.