- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Well, I mean, that's presumably why we'd keep her in Fukushima, in whatever Meguca prison Yuki makes for us that's as secure and resilient as puellaly possible.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Well, I mean, that's presumably why we'd keep her in Fukushima, in whatever Meguca prison Yuki makes for us that's as secure and resilient as puellaly possible.
- Location
- Illinois
Okay, I have a request.
So, I've been thinking about this, but...
Has anyone else here tried reading this arc from start to finish recently?
I don't have issues with the actions taken. They are what they are.
But it's... As an arc, it's nothing less than a jumbled mess that jumps back and forth and makes nothing resembling a coherent whole. That's my feeling, anyway. I feel like it could really use a facelift after the fact in the interest of it not just kind of coming off as a low point, quality-wise -- nothing to do with content, or sentiments, or any of that, just... Maybe kind of make the flow of the conversation make some degree of sense.
So, I've been thinking about this, but...
Has anyone else here tried reading this arc from start to finish recently?
I don't have issues with the actions taken. They are what they are.
But it's... As an arc, it's nothing less than a jumbled mess that jumps back and forth and makes nothing resembling a coherent whole. That's my feeling, anyway. I feel like it could really use a facelift after the fact in the interest of it not just kind of coming off as a low point, quality-wise -- nothing to do with content, or sentiments, or any of that, just... Maybe kind of make the flow of the conversation make some degree of sense.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"Hello Sabrina."
"Hello Yuki."
"I can't help but notice I've kind of became a prison warden."
"A perfectly honorable ocupation."
"I used to be a mercenary."
"Dangerous."
"I liked being a mercenary."
"We all grow up in due time. The warden gig is far more stable."
"So you say."
"Yep."
"So you force yourself into my life, into everyone's lives, and changed their course to fit your views of what is best, to create your perfect little vision of what the world could be, everyone who dares stand against you, is eventually swept along."
"Pretty much."
"I don't like being a warden."
"Then why are you?"
"... Because it's comfy and safe and pays well."
"How's Anri, by the way?"
*Sighs*
"She's doing fine..."
"Do they always do this?"
"Complaining?"
*Nods*
"Every time."
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Well I guess if the thread is Sabrina... then the content reflects Sabrina going into a tailspin at realizing how messed up the situation with Rionna is.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I have. It isn't a coherent conversation, because Sabrina wasn't trying to have a conversation. It basically comes down to what was voted through. The thread, and thus Sabrina, was looking for any point of leverage, any threadbare excuse to let Rionna go.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I mean, the prison contract we have with Fukushima is just a monetary payment that's seperate from the overall defense pact.
Presumably there are other girls we can get along with that have powers appropriate for maintaining a prison, so it's not like we'd force Yuki to do it if she didn't want to.
And even if she was the only one we were in contact with... that just means she has a natural monopoly, and can price gouge us to whatever level she wants to make running the thing worth it to her.
"So about the payment... I'll keep doing this for you, running the whole detention system, for another five years. But in exchange?"
"...yeeeeesss?"
"I want Venus. The entire planet, the whole thing. In writing."
"...Fine."
Presumably there are other girls we can get along with that have powers appropriate for maintaining a prison, so it's not like we'd force Yuki to do it if she didn't want to.
And even if she was the only one we were in contact with... that just means she has a natural monopoly, and can price gouge us to whatever level she wants to make running the thing worth it to her.
"So about the payment... I'll keep doing this for you, running the whole detention system, for another five years. But in exchange?"
"...yeeeeesss?"
"I want Venus. The entire planet, the whole thing. In writing."
"...Fine."
Decades later
"In other news, construction of the Venus penal colony is almost complete..."
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Even more decades later.
*Realizes every concession got out of Sabrina only furthered her role as warden for Sabrina's meguca prison and sometimes mercenary*
*Flips table*
"VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Even Kyouko?
BTW, we really need to get back at her. Need to talk about the Sakura church.
I kind of miss hand vote counting. Back before the vote counting tool existed, I'd regularly count votes by hand in several quests and I could take things like this into account, summarizing aspects of the results like "these people have no preference between these two plans; these two plans with vote totals combining more than the leading vote both have this aspect in common; if these people who declared their vote as 'whichever of X or Y plans gets more votes' are counted, Y wins" for the QM to use or ignore as they see fit, without it all having to be built into a tool (and therefore needing syntax for it) or having to have the QM decipher it from the auto results.
We haven't tried asking her not to, without setting any other conditions. That was something I floated two or three updates ago, I think. Though, tbh, that was when it seemed unlikely that souls she has now were being tortured - it's less viable now because we have to address that aspect too.
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Well I don't know about not having any bloodshed, but as an example of a way we could do this.
First we set up our anti-Riona preparations (anti-magic, soul protection, clones, shade spotters, etc) since it's just good sense.
- We leave peacefully and arrange another meeting.
- We continue to talk with Riona and she continues to be uncooperative. (talk about potential projects, clear seeds, not being evil, etc.)
- We inform Riona we're not going to let her continue her evil ways ("I can't let you continue bringing misery to people and controlling people's souls, change your ways or I'll have to stop you.")
- A fight commences! ("You can't stop me! I'm invincible!", says Riona having not read the book of things a villain should never say.)
- Various shonen announcements are made ("It's OK to be happy and bring happiness to others Riona, using my fists I'll show you there's another way!")
- Riona gets tagged by anti-magic, all her shades are released in an obvious metaphor for her releasing her regrets. ("I've lost, I'm crying and beaten and yet I feel so relieved.")
- Riona becomes a morally grey ally that no one really trusts. ("Hey that position is already filled", says Oriko.)
More seriously (because I seriously doubt things would ever progress in such a comically cliche manner) just because we know it's practically guaranteed there's going to be fight doesn't mean it should be our first method of conflict resolution. It might be difficult, it might be nearly impossible, but we should still try to defeat her with our words before proceeding to defeating her with our fists.
(However if (when really) a fight occurs we should hold all the cards and be sure no one is going to be hurt. Which is why we'd need to spend a fair amount of time in time-stop setting up preparations. If we know where all her shades are, have countermeasures for everything she can do and can call in time-stop at any time it's not really that big a deal to try social combat first.)
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Er... if we're making plans about spin management in a way that's specifically adversarial to Kyubey, let's keep in mind that Kyubey can cut us off from telepathy. We do have the IRCs available to us, but it's going to be hard to get ahead of Kyubey's version.
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
Staff Notice- Rule 4
At the end of the day, i think I'm just really scared of the potential consequences of fighting this girl and want to have her as a viable source if information when all is said and done
There's also the fact that the author's morality didn't line up with a significant chunk of the voterbase, be that above or below tolerance, and hence the initial freakout and backlash to the initial freakout
I'll freely admit that i err on the side of caution andtend to value practical concerns over moral ones too, which is how I keep managing to get staff warnings
I may just have to go away for a while and not come back until this whole situation is over
And now I'm rambling
Blagh
There's also the fact that the author's morality didn't line up with a significant chunk of the voterbase, be that above or below tolerance, and hence the initial freakout and backlash to the initial freakout
I'll freely admit that i err on the side of caution andtend to value practical concerns over moral ones too, which is how I keep managing to get staff warnings
I may just have to go away for a while and not come back until this whole situation is over
And now I'm rambling
Blagh
Idea for future: we should get antimagic clips for everyone's soul gems.
Sabrina should have an antimagic clip that blocks all magic except for Sabrina's.
Mami should have an antimagic clip that blocks all magic except for Mami's (and Sabrina's, for cleanses).
Et cetera.
This makes everyone immune to Riona.
Sabrina should have an antimagic clip that blocks all magic except for Sabrina's.
Mami should have an antimagic clip that blocks all magic except for Mami's (and Sabrina's, for cleanses).
Et cetera.
This makes everyone immune to Riona.
Gadjo
Doka
You left out the part where she probably doesn't agree to another meeting, and if she does, prepares her own ambush specifically to keep us from being able to overpower her again. Also she's implied she's only not killed us because she isn't sure she could take us, so the moment that balance of power is upset she's going for the kill. Talking to her while she's still free and armed was never doable.
Would that make Yuki the Amanda Waller analogue? Someone
Killing the shades, let's not mince words. Maybe death is better than the state they're in now, but it's sure as hell not better than being brought back to life.
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
Right! You've reminded me! That was the thing I was gonna say before, that I forgot-
If we plan on trying to save the Shades and re-body them, or in any way deal with them in a way that's not straight up killing them by dissipation immediately, let's remember we'll need to have that prison system or some other stopgap set up, because at least one of them, probably more, does fall under the category of 'deliberately Witches out other meguca for personal gain', specifically noting Rionna's "Last one had her and her posse livin' high on the backs of a good couple score Witches and all." Even if she's straight-up lied about a lot more than we've been assuming, it would be negligent not to take into account that we don't know what we'll be potentially letting out of that metaphorical box.
Gadjo
Doka
I frankly don't think saving them is likely- even if Sayaka can copy her power, she'd have to immediately hold on to all of Riona's shades, everywhere, and there's no guarantee copying it will tell Sayaka where they even all are. And even if she could, we don't know how to put a soul back in a body unless that soul is in a soul gem. I doubt the shades translate.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
This entire arc was a shitshow in-story and in-thread. Personally I don't think it needs to be facelifted.
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didn't Yuki offer to help us with politics?
Might be a good idea to ask her for advice after this is done
Might be a good idea to ask her for advice after this is done
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I'm not sure that this will have any political or social consequences. If Kyubey wanted to drag our name through the mud he has far better ammunition, and if he wants to just screw us over he doesn't even need that - witchbombing our team would be pretty close to an instant game over. And if people hear about this through us or any of our allies instead of through Kyubey, we'll have less than no problem: "She arrived intending to murder and then torture another grief controller and her friends. When I turned out to be 'the real deal' she decided to go back home and was abrasive enough about it that I suspected she was trying to bait me so she could try to take my soul anyway. When I pressed her about her murder-then-torture hobby she attempted to mind-control me into letting her walk. She's on timeout now."
It sort of makes a little sense? Maybe? Okay, not really.
The way I see it, Sabrina is a perfectionist. "Save everyone", "Get the Golden Ending". And she happens to really dislike hurting people or throwing her weight around. So trying to find a perfect peaceful solution past all evidence of the contrary isn't that much of surprise. Or at least, that's the way I try to justify this whole mess. I dunno if that actually works.
- Location
- London, 1935. August.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Excuse me, considering this is decades in the future, I think you mean: