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Yeah, no shit. You haven't treated it as an "of course we'll do that," so naturally not everyone treats it that way. This argument has literally only existed because you created it from thin air by doubting that we would set up a legal system and then arguing that we should.

No, the argument has only existed because the winning vote explicitly said about gemming Riona until we can 'try to rehabilitate her', and NOT until we can securely detain, or until we can provide a trial for her. The argument has existed because people kept saying 'She's morally black, there's no need for a trial, and she has forfeited her rights because she's a murderer and slaver'

I'm getting tired of your constants attacks against me and your continuous horrid misrepresentations of what has occurred in the discussion. Now you are trying to say that you all were in favour of my position all along? Perhaps you should have said so from the start then, instead of disagreeing with me because of the 'morally black' mantra that you've been using as a justification and an excuse to take away Riona's rights *indefinitely* (rather than temporarily until she can be tried).
 
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"Partially dystopic elements"? Lolwut? The MSY and Governance are basically anti-dystopia.
Why let universal implants which auto-locks muscles whenever violent intentions are enacted get in the way of eudaemonic utopia? :thonk:

Orwell's 1984's wet dreams aside, Governance does genuinely tries its hardest to represent and empower its constituency to the best of its ability, and that reiteration of Homumom is someone that we should look up to.

Tis a shame that Governance's ruling model is ... nigh impossible to implement without tons of HORRIBLEBADNESS going down first.
 
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Why let universal implants which auto-locks muscles whenever violent intentions are enacted get in the way of eudaemonic utopia? :thonk:

Orwell's 1984's wet dreams aside, Governance does genuinely tries its hardest to represent and empower its constituency to the best of its ability, and that reiteration of Homumom is someone that we should look up to.

Tis a shame that Governance's ruling model is ... nigh impossible to implement without tons of HORRIBLEBADNESS going down first.

While true, we only need to found the MSY, not governance. We can set further long-term goals at that point.

... I should also note, it's been a looooooooooong time since I read TTS.
 
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While true, we only need to found the MSY, not governance. We can set further long-term goals at that point.

... I should also note, it's been a looooooooooong time since I read TTS.

Good point, since we'll never play 400+ years' worth of time IC. Homumom was approaching near GEOM levels of ... transhumanness by that point, and losing touch with reality like that not only goes against Firn's fundamental philosophy of the quest, but also it would be our childrens and grandchildrens playing that :rofl::rofl:.
 
Good point, since we'll never play 400+ years' worth of time IC. Homumom was approaching near GEOM levels of ... transhumanness by that point, and losing touch with reality like that not only goes against Firn's fundamental philosophy of the quest, but also it would be our childrens and grandchildrens playing that :rofl::rofl:.
Mumi was still around in TTS...sooooo Sabrina probably would be too.
 
Mumi was still around in TTS...sooooo Sabrina probably would be too.

The thing about TTS is that Homura is denied her rest and her place by Madoka's side, because the world needs a champion of Madokami.

If Sabrina showed up in TTS, it'd basically be to relieve Homura of duty. The moment Sabrina properly arrives, Homura leaves.

We even have the wings as a badge of office.
 
Maybe Riona will be nullified? :thonk:
TBH, ROM Space knight isn't that far away in SciFi plot terms?

The thing about TTS is that Homura is denied her rest and her place by Madoka's side, because the world needs a champion of Madokami.

If Sabrina showed up in TTS, it'd basically be to relieve Homura of duty. The moment Sabrina properly arrives, Homura leaves.

We even have the wings as a badge of office.
I think the future that Sabrina is heading for is somewhat different, and brighter. Ramify the concept of artificial Grief storage, and what can that lead to? I'll just leave it at that for now.
 
We could just tape record shit.

Say, why are law proceedings saved on text instead of audio or whatever?
Often, both are done. Having a dedicated stenographer means that there is a person who can ask people to repeat themselves if a few people talk over each other. Also, written proceedings are easier to search and skim. I know that I've spent way too long trying to figure out something that was said during a recorded meeting. Finally, a pen and notebook are easier to carry, more innocuous, and easier to obtain than the equipment needed to record a meeting, which needs a decent mic and a specialized recorder if you don't want it to sound like a muffled mess.
 
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The thing about TTS is that Homura is denied her rest and her place by Madoka's side, because the world needs a champion of Madokami.

If Sabrina showed up in TTS, it'd basically be to relieve Homura of duty. The moment Sabrina properly arrives, Homura leaves.

We even have the wings as a badge of office.

And/or Homura is unable to ever fully despair because she knows she'll see Madoka again, paradoxing her the fuck out.

...In which case it doesn't matter still because Sabrina can just do the most ethical Gem Grief-up she's ever contemplated doing.
 
And/or Homura is unable to ever fully despair because she knows she'll see Madoka again, paradoxing her the fuck out.

...In which case it doesn't matter still because Sabrina can just do the most ethical Gem Grief-up she's ever contemplated doing.

Uh. Having hope isn't actually sufficient to overcome the despair in your soul gem - that's been pretty well established at this point. At most you get a weirdass hope/grief superposition like Akuma Homura, but being "unable to fully despair" isn't something that can stop you from witching out.
 
That moment when you realize the supposedly cannon fodder among our member turns out to be a main poster character in this thread. :V
No, no, this is a definitions problem. In the same way that Sabrina is an intelligent entity separate from all of us despite her cognition being driven by the sum of our discussion, the Redshirt Army isn't cannon fodder - each individual redshirt is cannon fodder, but the collective entity of the Redershirt Army is unkillable and key to the plot.
 
On the contrary - because our release condition is "when she's therapied enough", instead of some set amount of time passing by, it means that we have a responsibility to provide our prisoners with therapy (and attendant access to their bodies) as soon as we have the necessary infrastructure to do so in place*.

After all, keeping them in stasis in Homura's shield means that they are making literally zero progress towards potential eventual rehabilitation.

Aura's line you quoted was in response to SaltyWaffles' "Wait, isn't Sayaka currently training with Kyouko and Yuma?". Do you have SaltyWaffles on ignore? If you have someone on ignore, remember that affects quote blocks too, and to check if someone is replying to someone else to properly interpret the context of a post that is not apparently quoting anyone.

I think amnesty from Time Before Sabrina is what we've been going for.

The problem with Riona* is not that she did evil, but that she won't stop doing evil now that there's no need.

Part of the problem with that standard is that "won't stop because she's evil" and "won't stop because she doesn't trust yet that there is no need" is hard to objectively judge. If we didn't have Word of God we'd still be arguing about it.

Then yes. We do let her go. Because the incarceration isn't a punishment. That's the standard that Sabrina's applied to Oriko (and yes, I'm aware that Oriko's crimes were several orders of magnitude smaller), so it's the standard we should apply to Rionna.

We do need to prepare for the fact that we're probably going to end up coming into conflict with people who believe it should be a punishment, though.
 
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