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Gadjo said:
...If that's the case then we get that information anyway. We will already be dropping the witch grief. It's pretty much a direct consequence of what we've already decided to decided to do.
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Exactly.

Edit: The only question is whether or not our sensing of Mami/Homura is mentioned in the update, and explicitly specifying makes sure that it is.
 
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What I mean is that all the other votes will already give us that information by default when we drop the witch stuff. We'll get the info.
 
Ugolino said:
There's accepting her for who she is...and there's inadvertently saying that "yes, you should be sorry, there's nothing wrong with this" by ignoring it.
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It doesn't really matter what we say. She thinks that way and we can't one-line her into changing her mind.

But let's say we address the thought. It's not wrong to try to, but "don't be sorry" is the wrong way and indicative of Sabrina's communication problems in general. Instead, something along the lines of "Mami, I'd be glad to hear from you whenever you feel like." That shows that there's no implied blame on our part, that we accept when she wants to be clingy, and we even accept when she tries to stay away. It also doesn't try to make her think she's doing something wrong by feeling how she is.

You want her to be sorry for being sorry? Because we've gotten exactly that before with this exact same "nothing to be sorry for" line.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
It doesn't really matter what we say. She thinks that way and we can't one-line her into changing her mind.

But let's say we address the thought. It's not wrong to try to, but "don't be sorry" is the wrong way and indicative of Sabrina's communication problems in general. Instead, something along the lines of "Mami, I'd be glad to hear from you whenever you feel like." That shows that there's no implied blame on our part, that we accept when she wants to be clingy, and we even accept when she tries to stay away. It also doesn't try to make her think she's doing something wrong by feeling how she is.

You want her to be sorry for being sorry? Because we've gotten exactly that before with this exact same "nothing to be sorry for" line.
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It might not work in and of itself but it's worth saying- and your suggestion doesn't cover what you seem to want it to. It's going "oh okay, meh, I don't disagree with that idea".
 
Imrix said:
The impression I'm getting is that it's not worth saying - that it might well, in fact, be actively harmful to say.
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Well then I disagree with the idea that we should just smile and nod for Mami's apologizing for something that isn't her fault and that she blames herself for rather than saying that we don't think it is her fault.
 
Overall, I'm ok with Redshirt's proposal. It still has some weaknesses, but it's good enough to be acceptable, and I haven't been able to come up with a rewrite of my own that I think is sufficiently better to be worth proposing.

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Vote Tally : Puella Magi Adfligo Systema | Page 1933 | Sufficient Velocity
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[x] Mami, don't push yourself too hard, please? Take your time.
-[x] Ask her if she's recently checked her soul gem. (Prompt for her to use a grief seed. You can always refresh her seeds later.)
[x] Drop the witchy stuff.
[x] Telepathy.
-[x]Ask Mami if she wants to talk about it.
-[x] I was already on the way to school. Do you want me to drop by now? Or maybe ask Madoka and Homura to come visit you?
[x] New voting prompt if it seems Mami's condition is deteriorating.
No. of Votes: 17
Muramasa
AnonymousRabbit
AuraTwilight
Baroque
defenestrator
Duskwitch
Gadjo
Guilop
Inf0mercial
justinkal
Kai Merah
landcollector
moonstne
MrLZRS
Redshirt Army
Sereg
SynchronizedWritersBlock

[x] Drop the witchy stuff.
[x] Transform and clean up. Blue coat, pants. Look good.
[x] Enter the school. Go to the first classroom.
[x] Ask the teacher if he/she could direct you to the nurse's office. Present the solid front of, "I belong here, and am busy, and important."
-[x] Teacher will likely send a student to guide you. Let them leave once you arrive at the nurse's office.
[x] Enter. Locate Mami. Approach and sit down next to her (assuming she's in a bed; adjust as appropriate). Hold her hand.
[x] "What's wrong?"
[x] Wait and listen.
No. of Votes: 4
Kinematics
Aranfan
o3o
Onmur

[x] Mami, don't push yourself too hard, please? Take your time.
-[x] Ask her if she's recently checked her soul gem.
[x] Drop the witchy stuff. Check if Homura and Mami disappear from your range.
[x] Telepathy.
-[x]Ask Mami if she wants to talk about it.
-[x] I was already on the way to school. Do you want me to drop by now? Or maybe ask Madoka and Homura to come visit you?
[x] New voting prompt if it seems Mami's condition is deteriorating.
No. of Votes: 2
'Lement
boonerunner

[x]Mami, you have nothing to be sorry for. You don't have to push yourself. Take as long as you need to.
[x] Drop the witchy stuff.
[x] Tell Mami that you're coming
[x] Resume flight in something more compact, like the Grief Carpet.
[x] Ask Homura which floor the is Nurse' Office, and which window.
[x] Hover to the Nurse' Office window. Avoid being seen from the classrooms on the way.
[x] Check if anybody else is inside the office aside from Mami.
-[x] If Mami is alone:
--[x] Ask via telepathy if she can let you in through the window
--[x] Approach and and hold her hand.
--[x] "Do you want to talk about it?"
--[x] Wait and listen.
-[x] If someone else is inside the office
---[x] Greet Mami via telepathy. Discreetly wave at her from outside
---[x] Tell her we'll wait for her outside the school
No. of Votes: 1
chocolote12

[x]Mami, you have nothing to be sorry for. You don't have to push yourself. Take as long as you need to.
[x] Drop the witchy stuff.
[x] Tell Mami that you're coming.
[x] Resume flight in something more compact, like the Grief Carpet.
[x] Ask Homura which floor is the Nurse' Office, and which window.
[x] Hover to the Nurse' Office window. Avoid being seen from the classrooms on the way.
[x] Check if anybody else is inside the office aside from Mami.
-[x] If Mami is alone:
--[x] Ask via telepathy if she can let you in through the window
--[x] Approach and and hold her hand.
--[x] "Do you want to talk about it?"
--[x] Wait and listen.
-[x] If someone else is inside the office
---[x] Greet Mami via telepathy. Discreetly wave at her from outside
---[x] Tell her we'll wait for her outside the school
No. of Votes: 2
Ugolino
Dirtnap


[x]Mami, you have nothing to be sorry for. You don't have to push yourself. Take as long as you need to.
[x] Drop the witchy stuff.
[x] Ask Madoka/Homura for details if they know what happened to Mami.
-[x] Ask Madoka to check up on Mami (she is the Health Officer). Homura could fake needing meds/rest?
-[x] Ask Madoka to call us in if Mami's gem is dark or if she thinks that Mami needs us.
[x] Resume flight in something more compact, like the Grief Carpet.
[x] Ask Homura which floor is the Nurse' Office, and which window.
[x] Land on the roof near the Nurse' Office window.
[x] If Mami needs us:
-[x] Ask via telepathy if she can let you in through the window
-[x] Approach and and hold her hand.
-[x] Do you want to talk about it?
-[x] Wait and listen.
[x] If someone else is inside the office
-[x] Greet Mami via telepathy. Discreetly wave at her from outside and tell her we'll wait for her on the roof or outside the school.
No. of Votes: 1
PhantomFractions
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[x] Mami, don't push yourself too hard, please? Take your time.
-[x] Ask her if she's recently checked her soul gem.
[x] Drop the witchy stuff. Check if Homura and Mami disappear from your range.
[x] Telepathy.
-[x]Ask Mami if she wants to talk about it.
-[x] I was already on the way to school. Do you want me to drop by now? Or maybe ask Madoka and Homura to come visit you?
[x] New voting prompt if it seems Mami's condition is deteriorating.

I don't think we need to tell Mami that she's wrong because we can't fix her by telling her what's wrong. She has to come to the understanding "on her own" like you would see with a Socratic dialogue, which I just found out is a legitimate method of therapy. Only when she understands the true causes can we get to work on them.
 
[x] Redshirt Army
As someone who's had severe anxiety and guilt problems in the past, being told that she 'shouldn't be sorry' will make things WORSE. Because then you feel guilty about feeling guilty and spiral inwards in an ever more tightly wound ball of pain. So my vote is that now is not the time to say that.

Fwiw, I really don't think she'll take this as implicit approval of her statement that she should be sorry. Actually,say you're feeling compelled to mention something because of OCD (for example) which you know is 99% likely not an issue and feel stupid for having to but you have to because the thoughts won't leave you alone. It can be a relief when the other person doesn't focus on that stupid (to you) little compulsion you have, but instead communicates with you as a person.

For OCD in particular, it can also feel really frustrating to have someone treat your compulsions as legit concerns because that just gives them more power that you know they shouldn't have. But I don't know how useful that is here.
 
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