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Birdie
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Mobile opression fortress
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Episode II: Attack of the Sayaclones
Mami Tomoe Raising Project
Tsuruya Yuki: Prison Architect
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- Location
- Potato land
I don't think your impulse to do organized public relations for our group was wrong. It's probably too early for it right now, but in the near future we might really need to secure some way of getting our side of the story out there, especially as our fame grows and our (hopefully!) good reputation becomes an important asset. Simplest way to do this without breaking the masquerade would be having an official spokesman other girls could contact to figure out what was going on. And really, it might even appeal to Sayaka to make Oriko be responsible for explaining our antics to people.
In the very immediate aftermath of the Rionna debacle, we at minimum need to inform Yuki. We've effectively been attacked, which makes her involved via the defense pact; especially given the (admittedly remote) possibility that Rionna might have allies interested in breaking her out or taking revenge. It's probably a good idea to talk to the girls living in our territory, just as a good faith gesture of keeping them in the loop. We absolutely need to hash things out with Nadia. Not sure we want to bother anyone else, though.
Is there all that much to explain? Serial killer that targets Grief Manipulators came in and promptly got wrecked.
On an unrelated note let's go relieve some stress by beating something up. Let's grab Homura and Mami and timestop kill Walpurgisnacht. We'll beat it like a pinata and see what kind of candy comes out. I bet the Grief Seed we get will be interesting.
On an unrelated note let's go relieve some stress by beating something up. Let's grab Homura and Mami and timestop kill Walpurgisnacht. We'll beat it like a pinata and see what kind of candy comes out. I bet the Grief Seed we get will be interesting.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Petition to reinstitute "Dating Mami Tomoe".
- Location
- Illinois
"Sayaka, do you have a passport? We're putting your clones on planes."
"W-- wouldn't I need multiple passports?"
*Stumped*
"Could you... Could you make clones with copies of your passport?"
"But I don't even have a passport!"
"So get one! Or we can use Rionna's if it's so hard?"
"... I really don't want to be Rionna."
"Get in the damn Rionna, Sayaka."
- Location
- Illinois
What actually *are* the logistics of this, btw? If somebody wanted to enter multiple countries at once, would it work? Ugh, this is why we want to have Sayaka deal with all the transportation in the first place, lol.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Officially entering multiple countries "simultaneously" would almost certainly get flagged as anomalous, yes. Luckily, we have ways of getting around the world without needing to pass customs.
- Location
- Illinois
Oh, wait, I'm an idiot.
@Random832 we don't need a passport for Sayaka. She can just dodge customs with teleportation.
Thought experiment: how long would it take to get from Mitakihara to Edinburgh via Mobile Oppression Fortress?
Websearch tells me that "low earth orbit" starts at 160km high; anything lower than that experiences drag from the atmosphere.
If we accelerate upwards at one gravity (meaning we experience two gravities), my free-fall distance calculator tells me it takes 130 seconds to go 80km (and then another 130 seconds to decelerate and be at 160km).
Edinburgh is a little less than 10000km from Tokyo.
We can use the same plan (accelerate at 1g for half the distance, decelerate the other half).
My free-fall distance calculator tells me that we can "fall" 5000km in 1000 seconds.
So: 260 seconds to go up, 2000 seconds at orbital height, 260 seconds to go down.
Convert that into minutes and it's... 42 minutes?
The number drops if we assume that we can tolerate more than 1g of acceleration.
Websearch tells me that humans "can survive" an acceleration of 5g for 1500 seconds, assuming they're facing forward ("eyeballs-in").
I imagine that meguca are hardier than humans, but also that this is bad for morale.
Another complication is that we'd hit the sound barrier (on the ascent/descent) around 35 seconds (6km) off the ground.
I'm not sure how noticeable this is.
I checked suffocation statistics; apparently the main risk is CO2 buildup.
If each person produces 1.7 cubic feet of CO2 per hour, and CO2 becomes annoying at 1% concentration, then we need 170 cubic feet per person.
Or we could use grief to filter the air -- we did that before, when Anri did the sleeping gas thing.
Citations:
Orbital height: List of orbits - Wikipedia
Falling distance calculator: Free fall (distance and velocity) Calculator
Suffocation risk: Friday Fiction Facts: Trapped in an airtight room!
Acceleration: Surviving acceleration
Question: can we add an inertial damping field to the mobile oppression fortress?
Websearch tells me that "low earth orbit" starts at 160km high; anything lower than that experiences drag from the atmosphere.
If we accelerate upwards at one gravity (meaning we experience two gravities), my free-fall distance calculator tells me it takes 130 seconds to go 80km (and then another 130 seconds to decelerate and be at 160km).
Edinburgh is a little less than 10000km from Tokyo.
We can use the same plan (accelerate at 1g for half the distance, decelerate the other half).
My free-fall distance calculator tells me that we can "fall" 5000km in 1000 seconds.
So: 260 seconds to go up, 2000 seconds at orbital height, 260 seconds to go down.
Convert that into minutes and it's... 42 minutes?
The number drops if we assume that we can tolerate more than 1g of acceleration.
Websearch tells me that humans "can survive" an acceleration of 5g for 1500 seconds, assuming they're facing forward ("eyeballs-in").
I imagine that meguca are hardier than humans, but also that this is bad for morale.
Another complication is that we'd hit the sound barrier (on the ascent/descent) around 35 seconds (6km) off the ground.
I'm not sure how noticeable this is.
I checked suffocation statistics; apparently the main risk is CO2 buildup.
If each person produces 1.7 cubic feet of CO2 per hour, and CO2 becomes annoying at 1% concentration, then we need 170 cubic feet per person.
Or we could use grief to filter the air -- we did that before, when Anri did the sleeping gas thing.
Citations:
Orbital height: List of orbits - Wikipedia
Falling distance calculator: Free fall (distance and velocity) Calculator
Suffocation risk: Friday Fiction Facts: Trapped in an airtight room!
Acceleration: Surviving acceleration
Question: can we add an inertial damping field to the mobile oppression fortress?
Didn't the MOF had some troubles for traveling such distances? Something about missing windows or something like that; I recall being mentioned at some time as a reason ot to go into Edinburgh in timestop* (although it could be just that Sayaka could learn the Witchbomb, I don't want to recall the conversation details on last weeks of the thread)
*no, I don't want to go to Edinburgh now
(my point: is the MOF enough? because if not we may need to design another transportation ship first)
*no, I don't want to go to Edinburgh now
(my point: is the MOF enough? because if not we may need to design another transportation ship first)
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theauthor
Birdie
- Location
- Soerabaja
The poor girl unfortunately has suffers a tragic accident. Nothing to see here folks.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Some Magical Girl picked a fight and fucking lost. Oh well.
Some girl with a dead family and probably other bad shit in her life flew to a country with a SHITLOAD of famous suicide spots and disappeared. Oh well.
- Location
- California
Probably, yeah.
All we have to do is make some weird grief, and if Nadia were here we could probably just ask her, considering she must have some method of stopping and turning while in her unstoppable state.
Anyway, weird thought, you know how greif shouldn't have physical properties, right?
What if Sabrina can give greif properties she herself has?
Not likely to be true, but it is just a thought.
Anyway after Rionna is captured, we're still going to review the situation around her base of operations, right?
- Location
- Illinois
I don't think so. It started with "how do we get Sayaka to other countries" and then somebody suggested disguising her as Rionna. From there it was memes all the way up.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
...why on earth would Kyubey keep something from being a problem for us?
- Location
- Illinois
Sure, but somehow I'm not worried about this one in particular.
I don't think the muggles causing us trouble is worth the cleanup cost on QB's end when we inevitably do magic in front of them as a result.
Unless he *lets* us break the masquerade? Man that'd be great.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
QB will act in whatever way it believes will cause us the greatest amount of trouble, on both the magical girl and mundane fronts. If it helps us at any point, it's in aid of a greater disservice at some future point.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Actually.
I just had an idea about the situation, a little silly tidbit that might interest people. Or not, I dunno.
What if we tell Rionna the truth?
By "truth" I mean that we consider her behavior abhorrent
That by going vigilante on girls left and right and torturing them to boot, she invited us to go vigilante on her ass, minus the torture
That mind-whammy she tried on us could be interpreted as an alpha strike
And that if she doesn't stop, then our goal of helping everyone presupposes us to act in certain ways: i.e. detaining her and enforcing psychiatric treatment
And then asking her what does she think about it?
I mean, the result will almost certainly be a fight
But hey, bonus points for doing what she's been trying to do to us, so yay?
I just had an idea about the situation, a little silly tidbit that might interest people. Or not, I dunno.
What if we tell Rionna the truth?
By "truth" I mean that we consider her behavior abhorrent
That by going vigilante on girls left and right and torturing them to boot, she invited us to go vigilante on her ass, minus the torture
That mind-whammy she tried on us could be interpreted as an alpha strike
And that if she doesn't stop, then our goal of helping everyone presupposes us to act in certain ways: i.e. detaining her and enforcing psychiatric treatment
And then asking her what does she think about it?
I mean, the result will almost certainly be a fight
But hey, bonus points for doing what she's been trying to do to us, so yay?
- Location
- Potato land
If it was doing that, Mami would've been witchbombed a long time ago, and Homura potentialbombed. I don't think QB has really done anything to us beyond its normal modus operandi of inciting conflict via deceptive half-truths. It has certainly shown absolutely no indication of wanting to sacrifice the masquerade in order to impede us.
Rationally, I wouldn't expect this to change until we start making a dent in the global Grief output. Then, the gloves should come off, and we'll almost certainly notice it immediately.
Now I'm curious to sate my pedestrian curiosity about what she brought with her, and how we can use it.
I mean, technically we now have a house in Edinburgh. It'd be irresponsible to leave all the stuff in it all alone.
I mean, technically we now have a house in Edinburgh. It'd be irresponsible to leave all the stuff in it all alone.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
But we don't fight a Riona if we can avoid it. That would mean a bigger chance for more death, ours and otherwise.Actually.
I just had an idea about the situation, a little silly tidbit that might interest people. Or not, I dunno.
What if we tell Rionna the truth?
By "truth" I mean that we consider her behavior abhorrent
That by going vigilante on girls left and right and torturing them to boot, she invited us to go vigilante on her ass, minus the torture
That mind-whammy she tried on us could be interpreted as an alpha strike
And that if she doesn't stop, then our goal of helping everyone presupposes us to act in certain ways: i.e. detaining her and enforcing psychiatric treatment
And then asking her what does she think about it?
I mean, the result will almost certainly be a fight
But hey, bonus points for doing what she's been trying to do to us, so yay?
We want Riona taken down with as little chance of future death as possible.
This might sound confrontational as written, but it's just because I can't take the time to order my thoughts thorougly right now:
While the sentiment is in the ballpark of correct, I think we should be careful here, to not lose sight of KB's true goals.
It's more that KB's looking for its own profits, not our own suffering in and of its own. Our suffering is just a common means to an end for KB. So usually thinking 'KB wants our suffering' is good enough, I guess, but still... maybe I'm being pedantic.
KB deals in probabilities. I doubt it hasn't considered Witchbombing Mami and the profits it would get from it; if it hasn't done it, it's because its probabilistic models calculate an expected value that it'll get a better chance than normal in the future to Witchbomb Mami for more profits. Same with Homura.
KB is probably holding back on those bombs for tactical purposes: As soon as a lot of stress is put in our group, dissidence flourish enough for emotional support to not be as meaningful between its members, Mami or Homura are put under pressure, etc... KB will try to drop the bombs whenever it believes, based on past data, they will lead to the most amount of profits for itself.
So anyway, as an actual answer, I wouldn't say he would've had Witchbombed Mami already, even if it was only trying to cause us suffering, but rather, that KB thinks there's gonna be a better probability to Witchbomb Mami if it waits.