If you're talking about the forum, that's an exaggeration! If you're talking about this quest thread, on the other hand... :p
Yeah, this quest thread is what gives me the strongest vibes. But we can all be really crazy if we are bored, or have little to do and are feeling a bit malicious.
 
[X] DracoDracul

Gets the job done. We really ought to ask Oriko if Ono will be okay tonight without intervention next vote. If she will be, *shrug* establish a meeting time for tomorrow, and go home to sleep/cuddle Mumi. If not, we go full Gilgamesh.

Also, she is exhausting, but let's keep in mind that Sayaka acted like this to Homura and Kyoko when they didn't really understand her. Let's not fall into the trap of giving up on her and regretting it.
 
[X] DracoDracul

Gets the job done. We really ought to ask Oriko if Ono will be okay tonight without intervention next vote. If she will be, *shrug* establish a meeting time for tomorrow, and go home to sleep/cuddle Mumi. If not, we go full Gilgamesh.

Also, she is exhausting, but let's keep in mind that Sayaka acted like this to Homura and Kyoko when they didn't really understand her. Let's not fall into the trap of giving up on her and regretting it.
We could put Oriko on meguca watch. For now, while there's few megucas to worry about, at least.

Have her check up on every unstable meguca once a day, probably before we go to sleep, so we don't change the future on her soon after her predictions.
 
She[Sabrina] has maybe three or four actual friends (one is mentally broken, one likes everybody anyway, one is insane, and one is a little girl).
Okay. I'll bite. Nagisa is the obvious person for the little girl slot, but is Mami the one who likes everybody, or the broken one? Is Homura the broken one or insane? Is Kirika insane or does she like everybody?

Why Kazumi Magica Is the Next Best Thing to Heaven and the Key to World Peace? 45 volumes?

When it first came out I read the first chapter of Kazumi Magica and promptly ignored all the Puella Magi X Magica books because Kazumi had that rank smell of 'slapped a franchise on an unrelated story for a cash grab.'
I'm for the "Pistol for Antimagic, Grief aim-botting gun with real bullets for Range" idea. Plus, you know, most rifles use a .22 caliber, same as many pistols, so we won't even have to carry around two different types of ammo.
Egad. I'm coming at this as a player of RPGs set in modern day, rather than any sort of actual gun nut, but even I know that .223" Remington (aka 5.56mm NATO, such as an AR-15/M16 uses, and the only slightly plausible .22ish round for 'most' rifles) is not even vaguely the same round as the .22" rimfire cartridges that the wimpier pistols use. They're also both relatively small/wimpy cartridges.

Now that 7.62mm NATO round used by the 'pistol' Homura gave Sabrina is something else again. There are real-world sniper rifles chambered for that round, as well as battle rifles and straight up machine guns.
Sayaka is being portmaneaued with Michael, the highest angel in modern biblical canon who cast Lucifer out of Heaven. The symbolism should be obvious, there.
Huh. Did not see that connection. I just took the -el ending as the common 'of God' you see at the end of most angel names. Since she did the whole angel sent from on high thing in Rebellion. So 'Miki-el' apparently comes out as something like 'God's Pretty Tree.'
... Sakura's weapon is a katana, doesn't she?
Ought not that be '...Sakura's weapon is a katana, isn't it?' or '...Sakura fights with a katana, doesn't she?'
...
You're assuming that rather unsubstantiated theory of Homura being our "mom" to be true.
Or we're just following up casting Homura as Tuxedo Kamen.
Your interpretation might be correct. After all, Mami did have a serious emotional breakdown this afternoon and that could have been caused by the witchbomb (either due to Kyuubey or else because Mami put the clues together and/or stopped lying to herself). Mami was pretty bad off, and while I would have expected the witchbomb to cause more anguish than that, it is possible. If that's the case, then (in a twistedly amusing reversal) it means that Mami has been hiding the truth about the witchbomb from Sabrina. Or maybe Mami's breakdown was due to something unrelated, but Homura was worried that it was the witchbomb: that's possible, too.
It was less 'I think this is Mami finally cluing in to all the witchbomb hints scattered around her' and more 'Homura thinks Mami is on the verge of the witchbomb.' Which, honestly, she is. And has been for a while now. Never occurred to me that that might be what set Mami off at school, though. Although further reflection makes me suspect that Homura was just as concerned that Mami had decided Sabrina was a witch, and worried about how Mami might react to that instead.

Also, kinda thinking part of that whole dealie is that Homura was just as frightened of the idea of losing Sabrina as a friend as Sabrina was during/after the confrontation outside Mami's Tuesday.

It was just... disconcerting... that the one big issue I saw at the end of the update, the one that screamed 'This is why Firn stopped here,' had absotively no one talking about it. I've never seen that in PMAS before. That said, just continuing on as if it wasn't a thing was probably one of the most effective responses the thread could do there, at least short term.

Also, egad. Finally caught up. That means I get to vote! Well, meaningfully.

[x] Kinematics

The worst thing about this option is that it guarantees at least one more update before resolving this. On the other hand, if it weren't for previous commitments I'd be totally ok with camping outside Megane's home to make sure Sabrina got that talk in. And that's been Sabrina's problem with Megane all day, really. So many other demands on time.
 
The worst thing about this option is that it guarantees at least one more update before resolving this. On the other hand, if it weren't for previous commitments I'd be totally ok with camping outside Megane's home to make sure Sabrina got that talk in. And that's been Sabrina's problem with Megane all day, really. So many other demands on time.
Should have told Mami to bring her homework. :p

Homu likely has a tent and some sleeping bags.

Hell, maybe Homu has a copy of Mami's homework in her shield? You never know.
 
Egad. I'm coming at this as a player of RPGs set in modern day, rather than any sort of actual gun nut, but even I know that .223" Remington (aka 5.56mm NATO, such as an AR-15/M16 uses, and the only slightly plausible .22ish round for 'most' rifles) is not even vaguely the same round as the .22" rimfire cartridges that the wimpier pistols use. They're also both relatively small/wimpy cartridges.
Facts are not a prerequisite to the internet. Still, learning stuff is good.
Although further reflection makes me suspect that Homura was just as concerned that Mami had decided Sabrina was a witch, and worried about how Mami might react to that instead.
It'd be funny if Mami thought that we were a witch, but loved us anyway and hoped that we never figured it out and returned to the ways of evil or something. Keeping secrets for the good of others isn't fun unless everybody is doing it, after all!
 
Okay. I'll bite. Nagisa is the obvious person for the little girl slot, but is Mami the one who likes everybody, or the broken one? Is Homura the broken one or insane? Is Kirika insane or does she like everybody?

Why Kazumi Magica Is the Next Best Thing to Heaven and the Key to World Peace? 45 volumes?

When it first came out I read the first chapter of Kazumi Magica and promptly ignored all the Puella Magi X Magica books because Kazumi had that rank smell of 'slapped a franchise on an unrelated story for a cash grab.'Egad. I'm coming at this as a player of RPGs set in modern day, rather than any sort of actual gun nut, but even I know that .223" Remington (aka 5.56mm NATO, such as an AR-15/M16 uses, and the only slightly plausible .22ish round for 'most' rifles) is not even vaguely the same round as the .22" rimfire cartridges that the wimpier pistols use. They're also both relatively small/wimpy cartridges.

Now that 7.62mm NATO round used by the 'pistol' Homura gave Sabrina is something else again. There are real-world sniper rifles chambered for that round, as well as battle rifles and straight up machine guns.Huh. Did not see that connection. I just took the -el ending as the common 'of God' you see at the end of most angel names. Since she did the whole angel sent from on high thing in Rebellion. So 'Miki-el' apparently comes out as something like 'God's Pretty Tree.'Ought not that be '...Sakura's weapon is a katana, isn't it?' or '...Sakura fights with a katana, doesn't she?'Or we're just following up casting Homura as Tuxedo Kamen.It was less 'I think this is Mami finally cluing in to all the witchbomb hints scattered around her' and more 'Homura thinks Mami is on the verge of the witchbomb.' Which, honestly, she is. And has been for a while now. Never occurred to me that that might be what set Mami off at school, though. Although further reflection makes me suspect that Homura was just as concerned that Mami had decided Sabrina was a witch, and worried about how Mami might react to that instead.

Also, kinda thinking part of that whole dealie is that Homura was just as frightened of the idea of losing Sabrina as a friend as Sabrina was during/after the confrontation outside Mami's Tuesday.

It was just... disconcerting... that the one big issue I saw at the end of the update, the one that screamed 'This is why Firn stopped here,' had absotively no one talking about it. I've never seen that in PMAS before. That said, just continuing on as if it wasn't a thing was probably one of the most effective responses the thread could do there, at least short term.

Also, egad. Finally caught up. That means I get to vote! Well, meaningfully.

[x] Kinematics

The worst thing about this option is that it guarantees at least one more update before resolving this. On the other hand, if it weren't for previous commitments I'd be totally ok with camping outside Megane's home to make sure Sabrina got that talk in. And that's been Sabrina's problem with Megane all day, really. So many other demands on time.
The one who likes everybody anyway is Madoka herself. Homura's and Sayaka's feelings toward Sabrina seem a bit more complex.

Also, yeah, my sig quote mostly came from my tendency go ramble about old comics or cartoon shows in a manner that seems mocking but also shows waaaay too much knowledge of the thing to be anything but love. Kazumi Magica is not one of those things. I blasted through it in an afternoon because I crave that PMMMineral and I got desperate.
 
Last edited:
Hell, maybe Homu has a copy of Mami's homework in her shield? You never know.
Well, I'd put the likelihood somewhere between a third mop (actually pretty likely) and that personally reconditioned battleship she had in SWB's Eva crossover quest (kinda unlikely).
Also, yeah, my sig quote mostly came from my tendency go ramble about old comics or cartoon shows in a manner that seems mocking but also shows waaaay too much knowledge of the thing to be anything but love. Kazumi Magica is not one of those things. I blasted through it in an afternoon because I crave that PMMMineral and I got desperate.
Sooo, you're saying it's only a two volume set?

More seriously, this thread has convinced me I need a copy of at least The Different Story and the Oriko books.
 
When it first came out I read the first chapter of Kazumi Magica and promptly ignored all the Puella Magi X Magica books because Kazumi had that rank smell of 'slapped a franchise on an unrelated story for a cash grab.'
Oh no, Kazumi's strongly tied to the pre-Madokami setting. It's just not immediately apparent because the meguca team is trying to keep the viewpoint character in the dark about their mad science and system-breaking efforts.
 
[x] Kinematics

Can't help but think after whatever Sabrina does she should sit on them, I mean staying with her would eventually open her for good or bad....
 
Oriko Magica and Different Story are super good. Kazumi Magica is uh...controversial, we'll say, but it's useful for SCIENCE purposes, since the main characters were researching dewitchification with like...surprisingly good results?
 
It'd be funny if Mami thought that we were a witch, but loved us anyway and hoped that we never figured it out and returned to the ways of evil or something. Keeping secrets for the good of others isn't fun unless everybody is doing it, after all!
the main characters were researching dewitchification with like...surprisingly good results?
- Kazumi cast succesfully develops dewitchfication.
- Mami hears about this.
- Mami takes a trip outside the city, doesn't let Sabrina tag along.
- Next day we receive visits. Mami very anxiously introduces us to these nice people who are here to help us, really we shouldn't feel nervous, everything's gonna be just fine...
 
Well... it'd save us the trouble of having to witchbomb Mami?
Of course, that'd actually help with it - because it means that not all witches are bad; that is, you can still be a witch and be a (relatively) normal and totally nice person. She went all tetris cause it was like, yo, we're gonna be monsters after our gems grow dark. But now there'd be a counter example of a (completely theoretical and not actually a witch) witch who's...well, nice. Over confident at times, sure. Nosy, absolutely. Derpy and silly? Check. But completely benevolent and nice - nicer then quite a few magical girls. In other words, it might no longer be a suicide inducing fact, because there's hope that even after witching out you might be a Sabrina-type derpy-silly-nice-xD witch-girl rather then a IMMA EAT YOUR SOUL, DROWN IN DESPAIR AND DIE witch.
 
For this same reason we can't do that.

Tanking social is NEVER the answer. And well... things we don't have control off happened (Sayaka being kissed and the like). We need to check the situation in which she is right now.

Actually, Ono is not being rational but... what teenager is?

[x]DracoDracul
This isn't a question of tanking social, ie: flipping the board because we're losing at chess. It's us needing to stop pretending that Ono's got an informed opinion about whether she needs cleansing, going and cleansing her anyway, then trying social.

On a related note, a few thoughts re: the 'give up on her' and 'WTF is her problem posts' I've seen while skimming. I think they're missing two important points.

1. Firn writes three dimensional OCs. Ono therefore probably has people who cares about her, cares about other people, thinks she's completely in the right...and most of all probably has hidden depths to her character we know nothing about.

If she dies in a way we could have prevented, it will not be a happy state of affairs for a lot of people...not to mention completely breaking character for Sabrina as written up to that story update...right in front of Mami and Homura- the former still thinks Sabrina is a white knight and the latter's largely hopeful for everyone not-Madoka because of our efforts. Effectively committing indirect murder by letting Ono die when we could prevent it would not only be a OOC moment on the level of Sayaka farming familiars with a smile, it'd be very bad for social and have effects on the rest of the quest from that point onwards.

2. We haven't gotten around to giving Ono Meguca 101 yet. Right now, she effectively knows absolutely nothing except us being deliberately vague and saying there's...something about being meguca that's life and death. Right after we blew her off a few times for what we say were very important reasons (more important than you and your life, we effectively said). Yes, she's overreacting, massively...But it's not quite as stupidly suicidal as it seems at first glance. Even if it is really stupid and petty of her.

We still don't know what her magic is doing. Once we find her, I really think we need to do a quick scan of her for magic use- and I'm curious what her witch name is too.

3. Glass witch. Social-wise, we do not want to be too heavy on the ranting or breaking her worldview. Cleansing her anyway, yes. Ranting at her...not so much. So as tempting as witch or even lichbombing her might be...don't. Really, don't. I'm tempted to suggest letting Mami try talking to her next, if only because she's better at getting through to people nicely and as a certified vet (Homu's vet status is...a bit problematic if she asks how long she's been meguca) Ono'd presumably have the sense to take her more seriously.

tl;dr we need to put up with Ono's bullshit for now and get through to her without breaking her

I think Gadjo beat me to this commentary but eh, may as well get it out there. Before we're done here, we need to tell Ono the facts of meguca life- Witches, grief seeds, cleansing being a matter of life and death and flat-out saying that whatever she thinks of us, we'd drop everything and head over if she ever needs a cleanse.
 
Last edited:
Well... it'd save us the trouble of having to witchbomb Mami?
Of course, that'd actually help with it - because it means that not all witches are bad; that is, you can still be a witch and be a (relatively) normal and totally nice person. She went all tetris cause it was like, yo, we're gonna be monsters after our gems grow dark. But now there'd be a counter example of a (completely theoretical and not actually a witch) witch who's...well, nice. Over confident at times, sure. Nosy, absolutely. Derpy and silly? Check. But completely benevolent and nice - nicer then quite a few magical girls. In other words, it might no longer be a suicide inducing fact, because there's hope that even after witching out you might be a Sabrina-type derpy-silly-nice-xD witch-girl rather then a IMMA EAT YOUR SOUL, DROWN IN DESPAIR AND DIE witch.
And that's why we can't do immoral human experiments. Because Mami might find out and snap.

Or would she?
 
And that's why we can't do immoral human experiments. Because Mami might find out and snap.

Or would she?
*blink*
Did I miss something? Why on would we be doing immoral human experiments in the first place? :confused:
Sabrina is right up there with the 'dokes and the BLUEBERRY OF JUSTICE on the sliding scale of morals and idealism and cynicism; she flipped out during the war when the enemy magical girls caught civilians in the cross fire and led a "heal-all-the-civilians-screw-secrecy" mission immediately. Saving all the megucas aside, what she's done in her free time involves, among other things... trying to figure out how to make life as a magical girl better, going to hospitals and cheering up crying little girls, and fighting crime with Bat-homu. She seems, at least to me, very firmly rooted in the "good" alignment, so I'd think doing such a thing would be tremendously OOC for her (and indeed, the thread itself!).

I'm just saying that if the reason Mami broke down was because she figured out the witch-bomb, it's plausible that Sabrina's very existence muted the impact - which is why she didn't immediately tetris. :V
 
Every magical girl who has an allied grief bender should be experience, just once, what it feels like to have their gem at 95% corruption. It will put things in perspective.

...just sayin'.
 
*blink*
Did I miss something? Why on would we be doing immoral human experiments in the first place? :confused:
Sabrina is right up there with the 'dokes and the BLUEBERRY OF JUSTICE on the sliding scale of morals and idealism and cynicism; she flipped out during the war when the enemy magical girls caught civilians in the cross fire and led a "heal-all-the-civilians-screw-secrecy" mission immediately. Saving all the megucas aside, what she's done in her free time involves, among other things... trying to figure out how to make life as a magical girl better, going to hospitals and cheering up crying little girls, and fighting crime with Bat-homu. She seems, at least to me, very firmly rooted in the "good" alignment, so I'd think doing such a thing would be tremendously OOC for her (and indeed, the thread itself!).

I'm just saying that if the reason Mami broke down was because she figured out the witch-bomb, it's plausible that Sabrina's very existence muted the impact - which is why she didn't immediately tetris. :V

She's not squeaky clean. Remember that some of us were/are seriously considering using Yakuza members as guinea pigs for those experiments that would be morally reprehensible to perform on living human beings.

Regarding the "Even Mami knows thinks that Sabrina is a Witch" theory, which sounds fun, it could just be (In Mami's perceptions of us) our "Theme", like how certain witches have puzzles, or elements, or certain tendencies: we are the Witch of "Goodness" or something, so we do good things, but Yakuza are bad, so we go full witch (In Mami's perception) with them.

Which is to say that if she finds out that we're experimenting on Yakuza then this
- Kazumi cast succesfully develops dewitchfication.
- Mami hears about this.
- Mami takes a trip outside the city, doesn't let Sabrina tag along.
- Next day we receive visits. Mami very anxiously introduces us to these nice people who are here to help us, really we shouldn't feel nervous, everything's gonna be just fine...
is likely to happen eventually.
 
This Shrönödinger thing is going on for WAY too long. We need to just check her out from timestop, cleanse, make sure she's in no danger, and come back when she's not busy. This is just causing trouble for everyone involved.
 
Back
Top