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She's really frustrating, yes. I'm hoping she'll improve once she understands more, but that's just being overly optimistic.

In any event, her refusing to take care of herself isn't just dangerous to her, but to any muggles that happen to be in the vicinity of her witchout.
 
It's actually something of a thorny problem. She's determined to rebuff polite attempts, and we can't play "your stubbornness is going to get a bunch of innocents killed when you witch" hardball for Mami's sake. Hum.
 
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[X] Find Megane.
[X] Check her grief levels and the presence of others.
[X] Cleanse her gem from a distance if necessary.

Actually, I think I might have another idea. But first there are a couple factors, so we'll see. Thinking about using timestop to get to reach her faster and easier.
 
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Imrix said:
Not gonna lie, starting to agree with Homumom on this one. Ono really is the bitchiest meguca to ever bitch.
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Even money says her witch will be more pleasant. Far more insane and murderous, but more polite about it.
Imrix said:
It's actually something of a thorny problem. She's determined to rebuff polite attempts, and we can't play "your stubbornness is going to get a bunch of innocents killed when you witch" hardball for Mami's sake. Hum.
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If it comes down to it I'd rather witchbomb Mami as a part of saving someone rather than witchbombing Mami because we failed to save someone. Neither is good, but the former at least allows the possibility for damage control.

That said, I really, really don't want to witchbomb Mami at all. She's going to take it far harder than just about anyone because she's going to wonder how many of the witches she's killed contracted because of her. And I really don't want to be killed by a Russian history lesson.
 
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Whatever we do, I think something like,

[ ] Ask Mami and Homura what to do.
- [ ] "She won't accept my help, or my apology, but I can't just leave her alone or it could literally kill her."

Needs to be involved. I'd really rather we didn't come off as somebody who just steamrolls other peoples feelings when they get in the way of our goals. I don't see that there's another solution in this case (has Mami had any better luck talking to her in the past?), but we can at least frame it to the people we care about as, 'I really don't want to do this, but I don't see another option. Any ideas?'
 
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[x] Ask Mami and Homura what to do.
- [x] "She won't accept my help, or my apology, but I can't just leave her alone or it will literally kill her."
 
[x] Ask Mami and Homura if they happen to have any suggestions.
- [x] "She won't accept my help, or my apology, but I can't just leave her alone or it will literally kill her."
[x] Follow any suggestions they have so long as it has something to do with helping Ono
[x] If they have no suggestions, ask for time stop, then go directly to Ono to see what's her situation.
 
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This is the point where I lost all faith that Ono can even live, as long as she holds her own life in her own hands.

I never had patience for people like her, even young, so an extreme (seriously, not expecting a final vote to resemble this) vote to represent an idea:

Ono seems to care a lot about social status. If we want her to not do anything stupid, we need her to listen to us, and if we want her to listen to us, we need to put ourselves above her in terms of importance.

[] "OK, then."
[] Stop on a roof for a moment.
-[] Try to use witchy grief to make an anti-magic field (AMF); Mami or Homura can provide the magic to anti-magic.
[] Whether it works or not, full (non-timestop) speed ahead. Get to Ono and, if the AMF worked, use it to disallow Ono' magic.
[] Forgo politeness. Ono's shown herself to care quite a lot about social status. Kick her down to the bottom.
-[] Take her from wherever she is and bring her outside to have a talk at her. If she's with company, blatantly use magic and ask Kyubey to cover it up.
-[] Explain in no uncertain terms that it is her life we care about, and her feeling come a far second. If she feels awful about her lot in life right now, she shouldn't have made a contract.
-[] Explain all the (non-Witchbomb) dangers of meguca life: Grief accumulation due magic usage and negative feelings; negative feelings leading to more negative feelings, causing grief spirals into death, yes, death, as is what happens when a Soul Gem fills up completely.
-[] Explain she's privileged to live in the same city as ours, as not only our powers are unique, if we weren't here, she would've been summarily kicked out of the city due to there being too many Magical Girls to sustain. That's the common life for Magical Girls.
-[] Quiz her about everything you've just said. Warn her a Magical Girl in a Grief Spiral is a danger to both herself and everybody around her, and if she leads herself into magical depression out of spite, we'll care far more about the lives of people around her than hers.
 
[x] Ask Mami and Homura what to do.
- [x] "She won't accept my help, or my apology, but I can't just leave her alone or it will literally kill her."
[x] Follow any suggestions they have so long as it has something to do with helping Ono
[x] If they have no suggestions, ask for time stop, then go directly to Ono to see what's her situation.

I know we can scan her for grief from a distance, but I want to get an eyeball report on what she's doing right now, just in case she actually is genuinely busy with something.
 
Imrix said:
Whatever we do, I think something like,

[ ] Ask Mami and Homura what to do.
- [ ] "She won't accept my help, or my apology, but I can't just leave her alone or it could literally kill her."

Needs to be involved. I'd really rather we didn't come off as somebody who just steamrolls other peoples feelings when they get in the way of our goals. I don't see that there's another solution in this case (has Mami had any better luck talking to her in the past?), but we can at least frame it to the people we care about as, 'I really don't want to do this, but I don't see another option. Any ideas?'
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That's a tad dishonest, though. Asking Homura what to do, we know that's meaningless. And Mami didn't even want to come here, and accepted it just because she believes helping people is what Sabrina does.

We can just tell them straight up: We want Ono alive. Her attitude right now won't see her live for long as a meguca, so she might just be exactly the kind of person we need to steamroll.
 
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Onmur said:
That's a tad dishonest, though. Asking Homura what to do, we know that's meaningless. And Mami didn't even want to come here, and accepted it just because she believes helping people is what Sabrina does.
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... I don't see how it's dishonest. I'm going to be charitable and assume you meant another, less insulting word.

Yeah, neither Homura nor Mami want to be here. We don't want to be here! Ono is the bitchiest Meguca to ever bitch, and frankly, given my druthers I'd leave her alone to bitch herself into an early grave. But if she does that she'll take a bunch of innocents with her, so we've gotta be here.

Ono probably is exactly the sort of person we need to steamroll, but I don't want our friends to think of us as somebody who easily resorts to steamrolling people - and I don't want us to be somebody who easily resorts to steamrolling people. That kind of mindset got us enough problems already.
 
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Imrix said:
... I don't see how it's dishonest. I'm going to be charitable and assume you meant another, less insulting word.

Yeah, neither Homura nor Mami want to be here. We don't want to be here! Ono is the bitchiest Meguca to ever bitch, and frankly, given my druthers I'd leave her alone to bitch herself into an early grave. But if she does that she'll take a bunch of innocents with her, so we've gotta be here.

Ono probably is exactly the sort of person we need to steamroll, but I don't want our friends to think of us as somebody who easily slots into steamrolling people - and I don't want us to be somebody who slots into steamrolling people too easily. That kind of mindset got us enough problems already.
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Without meaning to insult, I really feel asking them what to do, when we already know half the answer, is dishonest. At least, ask Mami what to do; Homura doesn't know, and it will hurt her to be asked that, as we've seen during the Yakuza raid.
Homura frowns, looking around the room. Her eyes settle on the katana, resting in its rack. "Why are you asking me?" she asks, eyes distant and pained.
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Imrix said:
... I don't see how it's dishonest. I'm going to be charitable and assume you meant another, less insulting word.

Yeah, neither Homura nor Mami want to be here. We don't want to be here! Ono is the bitchiest Meguca to ever bitch, and frankly, given my druthers I'd leave her alone to bitch herself into an early grave. But if she does that she'll take a bunch of innocents with her, so we've gotta be here.

Ono probably is exactly the sort of person we need to steamroll, but I don't want our friends to think of us as somebody who easily resorts to steamrolling people - and I don't want us to be somebody who easily resorts to steamrolling people. That kind of mindset got us enough problems already.
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Not much of a middle ground to take in this situation though, imo.
 
Onmur said:
Without meaning to insult, I really feel asking them what to do, when we already know half the answer, is dishonest.
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landcollector said:
Not much of a middle ground to take in this situation though, imo.
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That presumes we do know the answer, though. I can't see an alternative, but I am legitimately hopeful they, or at least Mami can. If they can't? Well, okay, we steamroll Ono - but at least we tried to find another way first.

... Actually, there's a thought. Would Madoka, as the incarnation of sweetness and hugs upon this earth, have any insight into this? Maybe we should ask Homu if we could telepathy her. Probably not, her knee-jerk reaction to anything involving Madoka and Meguca's seems to be 'no no no this is why i have ALL THE GUNS', but I could be wrong.
 
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Can we please stop bothering with this? I am thoroughly sick of Ono updates. Frankly, I'd rather have a Grief Seed than her; opening the thread every morning just to see Ono bitch at us some more is getting really demoralizing. So let's just go home; we can collect her in the morning. :mad:

If we need to explain this, I'm pretty sure Mami would buy that she got herself killed through her own stupidity...
 
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Imrix said:
That presumes we do know the answer, though. I can't see an alternative, but I am legitimately hopeful they, or at least Mami can. If they can't? Well, okay, we steamroll Ono - but at least we tried to find another way first.

... Actually, there's a thought. Would Madoka, as the incarnation of sweetness and hugs upon this earth, have any insight into this? Maybe we should ask Homu if we could telepathy her.
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Sadly, Madoka is actually a nice, but all too non-special girl on her own. The best she could do is ask her own mom for counsel.
 
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Homura isn't just hearing chiptunes at this point. She's remembering flashes of inverted colors and seeing llama heads in the corners of her vision. She knows how this ends. And what does she do?

Nothing. Homura waits. She doesn't even draw a weapon.

Homura believes in Sabrina. She believes Sabrina can, -Oh, God! Mami's in timestop with me- and has made things better. She be-because, holy shit, she's already got a ribbon on me!-lieves Sabrina has helped Mami, and for the first time in -Oh, no. Did it just move on its own?- a subjective decade, Homura believes in Mami, too.
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Your interpretation might be correct. After all, Mami did have a serious emotional breakdown this afternoon and that could have been caused by the witchbomb (either due to Kyuubey or else because Mami put the clues together and/or stopped lying to herself). Mami was pretty bad off, and while I would have expected the witchbomb to cause more anguish than that, it is possible. If that's the case, then (in a twistedly amusing reversal) it means that Mami has been hiding the truth about the witchbomb from Sabrina. Or maybe Mami's breakdown was due to something unrelated, but Homura was worried that it was the witchbomb: that's possible, too.

Imrix said:
Not gonna lie, starting to agree with Homumom on this one. Ono really is the bitchiest meguca to ever bitch.
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My reaction is almost the opposite, actually. The more Ono bitches at us, the more I'm convinced that she experienced something truly horrific. Whatever she experienced was probably related to the witch that we killed yesterday (since she was looking at it and weeping when we first found her), and that means that we arrived too late to prevent the event that caused Ono's trauma. From an abstract perspective, we're not to blame since we acted as soon as we could and had even done our due diligence in looking for witches earlier that day and (despite our many sources of knowledge about the future) we had no previous knowledge about Belle, the Post Office Witch. Still, I can see why Ono would be upset, and our cancelling of the meeting this afternoon just made things worse. Ono is in a lot of emotional pain and she's lashing out at us. Given her emotional condition which is heavily exacerbated by the grief in her gem, I don't blame her for it.

[X] Kai Merah
 
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Onmur said:
The best she could do is ask her own mom for counsel.
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You know, I actually wouldn't have a problem with that if it wouldn't be so damned involved for this. I sympathise with @BeaconHill, Ono is taking up a lot of time.

I mean I don't agree with BeaconHill, it's still a young girls life and those of an unknown number of civilians on the line, but it is frustrating.
 
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Imrix said:
That presumes we do know the answer, though. I can't see an alternative, but I am legitimately hopeful they, or at least Mami can. If they can't? Well, okay, we steamroll Ono - but at least we tried to find another way first.
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Exactly, we know a sledgehammer solution and we are good at sledgehammer problems, but this isn't a sledgehammer problem so a sledgehammer solution will have a lot of consequences.

BeaconHill said:
Can we please stop bothering with this? I am thoroughly sick of Ono updates. Frankly, I'd rather have a Grief Seed than her; opening the thread every morning just to see Ono bitch at us some more is getting really demoralizing. So let's just go home; we can collect her in the morning. :mad:

If we need to explain this, I'm pretty sure Mami would buy that she got herself killed through her own stupidity...
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To be honest if we can keep Mami from grief spiral or tetris, I'm personally willing amend our goal of save everyone to save everyone except Ono. I just think the chance of Mami grief spiral or tetris is too high to not try to save Ono.
 
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