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Does a culture hero really have to directly work for the government? If we make a new theater and assign him to run it that theater is bound to be a success.

Or we could send him on a Diplomatic mission to the nomads and end up taking them over.
 
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Kiba said:
Why do we need to do that? If we use the guild secondary to build the harbor, then the patricians would be likely to build main warship for us.
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That would be the issue. The first action that's in line with the King's Agenda gets doubled. If the Patricians do More Warships, it's actually more than we can afford. If they do Harbour - Redshore and Blackmouth, then we're okay. We're kind of in an uncomfortable position at the moment. If we didn't take any Warships, then the Patricians could pick that up and we wouldn't have any problems. If we took two Warships, then we'd know that the Patricians wouldn't take any Warships of their own.

@Academia Nut are the Patricians likely to do More Warships or one of the other Sea Control actions (Sailing Mission or Harbour)?
 
[X] [Sec] Distribute Land
[X] [Sec] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Sec] Enforce Justice
[X] [Sec] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Sec] Found Free City Lower Valleyhome
[X] [Sec] Found Free City Sacred Forest
[X] [Sec] Art Patronage
[X] [Sec] More Warships
[X] [Sec] Repair Damage
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Merc] Yes
 
I'm guessing Shunmyn's higher than good martial stat was scripted, and then we rolled well enough to upgrade him to a genius?
 
We have two actions tied for second place: Repair x2, and secondary warship.

I recommend we vote for Guild secondary harbor instead and let the Patricians take care of a main warship action.
 
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Bleh, gotta prepare for a meeting. I'll crank out some replies before going into the math because fuck doing two different types of accounting at the same time.

I can multitask but not THAT well...
 
I just noticed, with the assertion of the Patricians also taking a main distribute land if we do any, and the earlier hints that a double main makes privatization more likely, maybe we should only do a single secondary Dist land, getting us 1.5 mains, which may let us mitigate the possible privatization kerfuffle.

Editing my vote presently, and I hope others do too.
 
Yorick's Skull said:
I just noticed, with the assertion of the Patricians also taking a main distribute land if we do any, and the earlier hints that a double main makes privatization more likely, maybe we should only do a single secondary Dist land, getting us 1.5 mains, which may let us mitigate the possible privatization kerfuffle.

Editing my vote presently, and I hope others do too.
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That was in the context of us being at 2 Cent when that question was asked by Maximillian.

AN's response was essentially "No duh going below zero cent with that much effort put into it will invent privatization".

It might do something similar, but its not too much of an issue at least in my opinion.

Also on a silver lining it means our wealth is not as much of an issue.
 
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We probably shouldn't take a PSN action this midturn, too-the Patricians are no doubt going to keep on dropping our Centralization. When can we afford to put an extended action on Roads again-after our next Governor's Palace?
 
Falsehaven said:
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I have to ask are you happy with the trait that we got from picking that lesson?
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I know you got threadbanned and can't answer this, but I wanted to say this anyways...

I personally love our upgrade.

The timing of it was complete shit, yeah, but the trait itself is amazing.

Life of Arete was about individual excellence. An Artisan should work to be the best artisan he can be, or a warrior should always strive to reach perfection. They would, of course, invest in things that would let them be more excellent, but in general it was a solitary thing. You would train and work until you had a top tier skill, and then you would push that skill to the limit.

DGE goes beyond that. It's no longer just the individual who strives to perfection, but the whole group. A blacksmith doesn't just seek to make himself the best, but also his assistants. He demands that he have the best possible apprentices to feed his forges, the best possible journeymen to help him temper the metal. He wants the best possible miners to mine the best possible ore, so he can push his craft to its limit.

With our government, it's even better. Now it's not just the Patrician leaders who are important, but also the complete support group. A king must be the best he can be at his job, but he also has to have the best advisors, generals, everyone.

It's an amazing trait, even if the mechanical effects aren't as good as we might wish, and the con is painful right now. Even then though, not being able to suppress the ruling class can be balanced as long as we keep 2 other factions near the Patricians in terms of power, so they can't just do anything they want. So even that con isn't too bad.
 
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VoidZero said:
I would say the timing can't be any more right. Finally we will avert the disaster that risks making our people kill each other.
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I meant more that it was complete shit in terms of what our original plan was.

I personally have been expecting the forced DL for quite a bit now, though I was fairly certain we'd get through this time fairly easily.

In some ways, we might have to be thankful that it is forcing it on us like this. At least we have an excellent admin to do it for us. It might not be the Heroic or Genius admin we wanted, but still, better now than later, when we might have been stuck with a 'mere' good admin.

Though I was hoping it would be done with a heroic admin at the helm, personally. That would have made the transition so much easier...
 
Citino said:
I meant more that it was complete shit in terms of what our original plan was.

I personally have been expecting the forced DL for quite a bit now, though I was fairly certain we'd get through this time fairly easily.

In some ways, we might have to be thankful that it is forcing it on us like this. At least we have an excellent admin to do it for us. It might not be the Heroic or Genius admin we wanted, but still, better now than later, when we might have been stuck with a 'mere' good admin.

Though I was hoping it would be done with a heroic admin at the helm, personally. That would have made the transition so much easier...
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Yep, now that the Dl shoe is on the ground we can start planning for expansion of roads. Cause -8 total centralization is 4 main roads.
 
The trait's only drawback is social stratification for me, otherwise I'm apathetic to it.
My concern alongside removing Purity is making sure the patricians don't fuck everyone over with privatized land.
Growing pains are gonna be especially bad if we don't deal with them.
 
soulcake said:
My concern alongside removing Purity is making sure the patricians don't fuck everyone over with privatized land.
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I mean, we do have an excellent admin writing the laws that the Patricians will have to use. As long as we are careful, maybe throw a hunt troublemakers once in a while to check on them, then we should be able to catch any truly major abuses before it gets too bad.

And private landholding tends to use the land more efficiently if it's planned out right, so we do have a chance to benefit long-term here.

@Academia Nut does Alyx have a plan on how to deal with building projects in distributed land? Like say we need to dig a new irrigation trench or a canal through land that's been distributed, does he have an idea about how to allow government work on that land?
 
[X] [Merc] Yes
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control

[X] [Sec] Distribute Land
[X] [Sec] Found Free City - Sacred Forest
[X] [Sec] Found Free City - Blackmouth
[X] [Sec] More Warships
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships

Not sure why we're going for Lower Valleyhome instead of Blackmouth.
 
Glassware said:
We probably shouldn't take a PSN action this midturn, too-the Patricians are no doubt going to keep on dropping our Centralization. When can we afford to put an extended action on Roads again-after our next Governor's Palace?
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According to this AN wog they won't spam it, which I think is what you are implying?
Academia Nut said:
Unless part of an objective of theirs, the Patricians are unlikely to take Main Distribute land all that frequently, and will tend to avoid crashing the government via under-centralization. However, if they feel the need for a quick infusion of cash they will take DL (sec or main) whenever they feel like it.
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[X] [Sec] Distribute Land
[X] [Sec] Distribute Land x2
[X] [Sec] Enforce Justice
[X] [Sec] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Sec] Found Free City Lower Valleyhome
[X] [Sec] Found Free City Sacred Forest
[X] [Sec] Art Patronage
[X] [Sec] More Warships
[X] [Sec] Repair Damage
[X] [Guild Sec] More Warships
[X] [Agenda] Sea Control
[X] [Merc] Yes


I'll be honest, this was a Terrible weekend to visit relatives who don't have a internet connection.
Was the Value upgrade vote at least a mostly consensus? So I don't have to feel bad about missing the vote?

Regarding the upcoming heir we need to choose a Nomad to punish the patricians for being uppity and too games of thronesy again.
Their political crap isn't worth the kingdom and if our hands are being forced, they should suffer for doing so.

Is there any other Moralistic Social change that the patrician faction would utterly despise? if a faction wants to be spiteful only fair we be spiteful back. Maybe institute workplace reform, forcing all patrician families to sponsor scholarships, or just try a reduce bureaucracy initiative that instead doubles it?
 
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