Ancient Scholar
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So we're the Tender Speakers important to us in anyway? What does losing them actually mean.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Lawful Evil is generally considered to be pragmatic evil.
No and nothing.
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You can't make peace with nomads. That's the entire issue. You can terrify them enough that they stay back for a turn or three, but unless you are willing to commit serious resources to doing that repeatedly, or make yourself too strong to casually attack, then they will always threaten you.
Look at China, for example. They literally built walls comparable to Constantinople, the city said to have the strongest defensive fortifications in the western world, around pretty much every major city they had, just to make it too hard for the nomads to get anything from raiding them. They built the freaking Great Wall of China not to defeat the nomads, but instead to make nomads think twice about raiding them.
Nomads are the bane of civilization until you hit industrialization. There is no solution until that point.
Actually, they held the pass into the lowlands from the Steppes. Losing the TS means we have to set up a new marche to defend that pass, or have one of our vassals take over that duty.
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Huh, is this ability to select which passives to deactivate the ability of our king at work or something natural to passive policies? If it's AI guided could be useful for future planning.
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The Tender Speakers and the Tsundere horse. Are we a harem anime?
BungieONI
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They were cute waifu material?
More seriously they provided martial and in general actions doing things. They're religious beliefs were interesting.
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Note the "camp" qualifier.
Huh. Was not expecting that. We've got the level 2 baths on Redshore and a baths in Valleyguard that need to come online, plus the eventual level 2 marketplace for the quest. And the academies we just unlocked.
I guess the Redshore baths aren't immediately critical, so the 3 progress will just make the Valleyguard ones.
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@Academia Nut, you've missed this question a few times, but why don't we gain Economy from the Forestry policy? Sacred Forest means we should be doing Manage Forests on the forests we create automatically, which should generate Economy.
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Academies are an action, not infrastructure.
Actually, @Academia Nut, since Uvothyn is going to be taking over this turn, could we see the Build Academy action for planning purposes (and curiosity)?
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A combination of balance and at that level the effort to plant the forests and the gain from the forests exactly balance each other.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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@Academia Nut when do you expect the next update to be? I think yousaid you'd probably be busy tonight, but do you have an idea if it would be tomorrow morning, night, not until monday, etc? Debating trying to eke out the A&D post tonight to avoid getting ninjad by the next update, and playing some more Mario Odyssey before bed 
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when do you expect the next update to be? I think yousaid you'd probably be busy tonight, but do you have an idea if it would be tomorrow morning, night, not until monday, etc? Debating trying to eke out the A&D post tonight to avoid getting ninjad by the next update, and playing some more Mario Odyssey before bed
Sometime tomorrow, definitely not tonight.
Ancient Scholar
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Obviously
*checks rest of thread*
Wow is the thread serious?
This was from over 4000 pages ago and 100 updates ago.
This is old news
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@Academia Nut - is Amber Road on the westernmost upper fork of the Black river?
Can we replace total annihilation with a gentle smack with a newspaper that lets them know we're not to be messed with but leaves them largely fine in case we decide we want to be pals later?
Sometime when a Khan listened to Ymaryn drama that they know we aren't to be messed with.
Obviously. There is already an omake about Ymaryn-chan
This episode is about Ymaryn-chan getting a cold. First she sneezes cutely and reassures everyone that she'll be all right. Next scene is her sneezing again while wearing a nurse's uniform; the entire class is lying around with thermometers in their mouths.
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Two of their number are heard moaning especially piteously.
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Those reaction options from a while ago... "Stay at home and garden"
Nice
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Ancient Scholar
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Nurse Ymaryn-chan and her large tracts of land.
Now it's time to take your medicine.
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Edit: Also from the same update:
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That is not how clothing or breasts work.
Interesting...we'd probably end that practice pretty soon, that sounds dirty
Oh my.
Lots of plowing involved. I'm sure.
The problem is Philosopher Kings essentially says to the Urban Poor they are going to stay where they are. The 'people' mentioned the most in the narrative are those who are in the middle class and above. The artisans like a smart king because they are obviously, smart and have a chance. The priests like a smart king because they are the smartest. And the Patricians and Guilds pat each other on the back while buying up all the best tutors
The masses were known to be quite anti-intellectual until cheap public education happened.
In ancient China and Korea(states with Philosopher Kings), philosophy was the domain of the rich and powerful, while the commons didn't really think it was anything more than self justification.
Several ways we've done in the past:
1) Stabbed them all - Lasted all of 3 generations.
2) Trade - Lasted 5 generations, during which 3 of those generations they don't know why they like us so they stabbed everyone else instead(and we loot refugees from everyone). Then some centuries later a meteor exploded them and we took them home. Then Nomads came and stabbed them to death.
3) Diplomacy and charity - Lasted 9 generations, during which they were wandering for 4 generations after going up north, summoning their own horde(using our money) and killing the enemy Khan who attacked us(while we were busy killing that Khan's father), after which we elected one of them king and absorbed them
The thing is they're an oral tradition culture. To make peace with them requires ongoing trade contacts. Since they don't have writing or libraries, everything they know is what their parents told them, modified to fit what is politically popular.
The solutions are:
-Temporary solution that costs us lives and makes it peaceful for a short time
-Temporary solution that costs us money and makes it peaceful for a medium time
Well it IS one of our core cultural values to give historians headaches!
A few things:
1) We are no longer looking at the Thunder Speakers breaking away due to cultural divergence anymore.
2) The primary pass for nomads to go through and rape the lowlands is now open(the other pass is Ymaryn core which is dwarf fortress levels of fortified)
3) We lose 0.5 Econ in food taxes.
4) Vassal support policy has increased in power by 10%
Overall if we plug the pass immediately with a March we will solve 1,2, & 3 by filling it with a chunk of Ymaryn core culture.
Might want to wait a turn or two though. Otherwise we'd probably dump the ex-nomads there.
IIRC it was mentioned that they'd turn off policies based on IC priorities. Which due to our government system is basically:
1) Is this policy keeping us alive?
2) Is this policy culturally or legally significant?
3) Does any powerful faction want to keep this policy?
4) Does this policy make sense?
Yes, factions go above sense.