The Patricians keep rolling nasty quests for some reason.
plz make them stop because if they ask for slaves again we're just going to let the quest fail

I think you're being a bit of an idealist here. A more productive culture is great, but we already have a powerful culture. It's part of why we are dominating in pilgrimage. The idea that more art in all its forms would supplant direct influence and even policy influence is ridiculous. It will help, certainly, but it takes far more advanced information exchange to get to that point.

If you want an example, let's look at the romans. They were famous for supplanting their vassal's culture with their own. They did this by planting roman administrators and government in the conquered areas, helping out the populace, and bringing their culture along with the administrators and nobles.
and by selling nice shit ahead of them to identify the hold-out groups and seduce the weak; inviting people to their capitol to look at their cool buildings; making their own gods and rulers more approachable by having depictive art; killing all the people who disliked them in the process of taking over the vassal; etc.

Maybe we ought to enforce our laws or something.

That plot fuel for human sacrifice might not be a pressing concern per say, buuuuuut my bias and uncertainties about just how well enforced our new laws really were is motivation indeed.
R.e. human sacrificing rural folks it's less an issue of enforced laws and more an issue of us needing more roads & more widely dispersed temples. The combination should reinforce the standard culture better, for all that the temples will naturally drift a tad over time unless we migrate priests decadically.
 
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We have horse couriers, but we have yet to develop a complete system just yet.
If i remember right, during the palace location discussion*, AN 1. talked more abuot this in general, and 2. mentioned that there was a horse courier relay system in place at least for getting a message very quickly from redshore to valleyhome.

*Which thanks to that post on what happened in the past ten turns, i know was almost ten turns, and a month, ago :p
 
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more reasonably, I'm hoping for advancements in math and maybe something like cryptography or a refinement in our bureaucratic organization or a meritocratic admissions exam
 
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Thunder Horse Negaverse
The Dragon from the West



Soldiers crowd the city to the bursting point. The atmosphere in the city is tense, the threat of war fraying the nerves of the soldiers and citizens. Every day more soldiers arrive, long columns of men marching across dirt tracks towards the border towns. The space within the walls has long since filled, and so the tents sprawl around the city, fields of white and gray slowly engulfing the surrounding farmland. The farmers grumble as they see their harvest trampled inch by inch. They will endure, as their grandfathers had when their fathers went to war. Now, their sons go to war, and victory shall come.

Their honor demands it. The prophecy foretells it. It was on everyone's lips these days, recounted by every priest and orator. The Dragon of the West was coming. The Dragon company hsd marched towards the border, their general among them. The priests said she was a cripple, her body brought down by the sheer amount of blood curses the Thunder Horse had sworn against her in the last war. The hate still ran deep, and the warriors hsd seethed when they first heard their chance at vengeance was so close. But the priests pled with the King to wait, and he agreed. The prophecy must be followed. It was the only way.

When the sun set, and the Dragon fell, only then would they strike.

Today, the day of the fall, a mild summer breeze blows through the fields. It is a nice day. The farmers work their animals, the workmen ply their craft, merchants heckle goods and the soldiers train at arms. If not for the latter, it would be a perfectly ordinary day. Even so, the war appeared far away. Just like the weeks before, the scouts had reported no movement among the Ymarin forces on the river. They were still there, still watchful, just waiting. The King is getting impatient, and the soldiers restless. Humor helps them pass the time . Perhaps, one jokes, the Ymarin are waiting for their General to take the first step. Perhaps, another replies, they daree not leave the forest for fear the sky will fall upon their heads.

As the soldiers joke and the King debated by his priest, the sun slowly sets behind the distant mountains. Beneath a blood red sky, citizens and soldiers alike are slowly returning to their homes and tents. Suddenly, a single cry interrupts this ordinary. The Western sky, red like blood, is glowing. The air feels hot, like a sweltering summers day. As the glow brightens, more and more people stop to observe this clearly divine sign. When the light becomes blinding, they avert their eyes. Some take of clothes to deal with the now suffocating heat.

And then the screams start. People flee from the now burning light, stumble halfblinded, looking for shelter where they can find it. The priests take refuge in the Temple, the citizens in their houses, the soldiers in their tents.Others hide in ditches or behind walls, doing everything not to get caught by the burning light.

Then, suddenly, the sky ruptures and the Gods themselves wipe clean the land. With one big sweep they reap the fields, flatten the smouldering tents and tear down the houses of the city. No single house, not even the Temple, is spared. Thousands die, crushed by the ruins of their homes. Those who remain are wounded or unconcious. They do not escape when the fire engulfs the city.



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a meritocratic admissions exam
As I brought up previously, I would worry that the people designing the exam will inevitably stack it in their own descendants' favor. We'd need to come up with a way to test the underlying aptitude levels of a test taker rather than how much knowledge they've gained due to being born into a family that could afford tutors.

Admittedly, an admin genius might figure out such a method, but idk.

E: admittedly, *some* kind of meritocratic exam is probably better than none, but we should watch out for pitfalls.
 
As I brought up previously, I would worry that the people designing the exam will inevitably stack it in their own descendants' favor. We'd need to come up with a way to test the underlying aptitude levels of a test taker rather than how much knowledge they've gained due to being born into a family that could afford tutors.

Admittedly, an admin genius might figure out such a method, but idk.

E: admittedly, *some* kind of meritocratic exam is probably better than none, but we should watch out for pitfalls.

Unlikely to happen.

Our poor clerks will probably be forced to memorize the entirely of the The Xohyrd, The Life of Yenma, and some other bullshit.
 
As I brought up previously, I would worry that the people designing the exam will inevitably stack it in their own descendants' favor. We'd need to come up with a way to test the underlying aptitude levels of a test taker rather than how much knowledge they've gained due to being born into a family that could afford tutors.

Admittedly, an admin genius might figure out such a method, but idk.

E: admittedly, *some* kind of meritocratic exam is probably better than none, but we should watch out for pitfalls.
Certainly, there are issues- but there are pretty straightforward ways of testing merit for administrative positions in a hypothetical exam system.

  1. Understanding and knowledge of the Ymaryn legal system. This is a pretty wrote knowledge sort of thing, but is of immense importance in proper administration.
  2. An understanding of administrative math, this will be made easier by the formalization of math that good 'ole Hertythyn was pioneering.
  3. At least basic understanding of the civil engineering that goes into designing the layout of our cities and denser towns.
  4. a basic grasp of the civil engineering inherent in laying out our irrigation systems and terraces.
It's easy from a modern perspective to condemn tests as unable to mostly test things other than wrote knowledge- but wrote knowledge can be incredibly important from an administrative perspective.
Our poor clerks will probably be forced to memorize the entirely of the The Xohyrd, The Life of Yenma, and some other bullshit.
And there's a strawman. The reason cultural works and what not dominated the Chinese civil service in an adverse fashion was because of Confucianism, not because of any inherent flaw in the idea of a meritocratic civil service. If meritocratic bureaucracy was an intrinsically bad idea, why would the Europeans have implemented it in modeling it off the Chinese system? Why would it be the cornerstone of pretty much every modern civil service?

And that's ignoring actual merit in ensuring cultural homogeny amongst all the administration- which is one of the things that is attributed to ensuring China always re-coalesced into one nation.
 
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Would Shakespeare be a Cultural Genius? I have been thinking about the Combo of:

Main Build Theatre
Sec Build Trails
Sec Art Patronage

In the Idea it would unlock Traveling Actors to spread the Stories of the People such as The Xohyrd (is that the official name?) and others to cement the Ymaryn identity.
 
We already have that, but it seems that the Priests are/will be complicit or killed and replaced. I'm not seeing where you're getting expansion of the administration out of a single Justice/Order action though.

Unless you think I'm advocating a Ymaryn Inquisition?

I meant resident priests in every village, rather than priests occasionally passing by remote areas, which is what we have currently.
 
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plz make them stop because if they ask for slaves again we're just going to let the quest fail


and by selling nice shit ahead of them to identify the hold-out groups and seduce the weak; inviting people to their capitol to look at their cool buildings; making their own gods and rulers more approachable by having depictive art; killing all the people who disliked them in the process of taking over the vassal; etc.


R.e. human sacrificing rural folks it's less an issue of enforced laws and more an issue of us needing more roads & more widely dispersed temples. The combination should reinforce the standard culture better, for all that the temples will naturally drift a tad over time unless we migrate priests decadically.

The natural drift is a benefit, it ensures a degree of flexibility and a tradition of conciliarism.
 
I could see an Admin Genius giving us something along the lines of primitive IQ tests, hopefully in the same vein as Raven's Progressive Matrices to minimize the influence of family background.

It's easy from a modern perspective to condemn tests as unable to mostly test things other than wrote knowledge- but wrote knowledge can be incredibly important from an administrative perspective.
I totally agree with you that we should check for specific, relevant knowledge when assigning jobs. I'm more concerned with building a system that will help us identify those with potential Heroic or Genius stats and have the state funnel extra resources toward educating and supporting them.
 
I totally agree with you that we should check for specific, relevant knowledge when assigning jobs. I'm more concerned with building a system that will help us identify those with potential Heroic or Genius stats and have the state funnel extra resources toward educating and supporting them.
See, I think getting too fixated on heroes and geniuses, rather than creating a system just selecting for merit- is a mistake, in that it's leaning too heavily on relying on great men to fix everything for us.

The ideal system is one that a great man sets up but is entirely capable of sustaining itself without him or someone as capable. I care more about improving the quality of the baseline than improving the availability of crits.
 
As I brought up previously, I would worry that the people designing the exam will inevitably stack it in their own descendants' favor. We'd need to come up with a way to test the underlying aptitude levels of a test taker rather than how much knowledge they've gained due to being born into a family that could afford tutors.

Admittedly, an admin genius might figure out such a method, but idk.

E: admittedly, *some* kind of meritocratic exam is probably better than none, but we should watch out for pitfalls.
The first modern IQ tests (and with them, the isolation of g) were generated by statistical analysis of more specific and biased aptitude tests.

Biased tests are the first step to nonbiased tests, because they give you a body of statistical data to detect biased and useful questions.
 
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I could see an Admin Genius giving us something along the lines of primitive IQ tests, hopefully in the same vein as Raven's Progressive Matrices to minimize the influence of family background.


I totally agree with you that we should check for specific, relevant knowledge when assigning jobs. I'm more concerned with building a system that will help us identify those with potential Heroic or Genius stats and have the state funnel extra resources toward educating and supporting them.

Ah, but by definition, heroic and genius are special. If they aren't special, they cease being heroes and genius.
 
Ah, but by definition, heroic and genius are special. If they aren't special, they cease being heroes and genius.
They're special, which is why I want to make sure none of them slip through the cracks by being born into poverty.

rather than creating a system just selecting for merit
The system you described does not select for merit. It selects for having been born into a family that had the resources to teach you specific skills and knowledge from a very young age, and that's a really important distinction to make.
 
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