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Candesce said:
You want to pound that button hard, don't you?

Getting that many free cities that fast without any understanding of how to manage them is going to fuck us, though.

Scale your ambitions back and plan on shaking up our entire form of government more slowly.
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Aqueducts are one of many possible choices that Infrastructure can take. It can also take Salterns, Libraries, Temples, Colossal Walls, Governor's Palace, Palace Annexes, and Trails.

Pretty much all of which would be nice to have more of.
 
[X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X] [Hero] The smiths working overtime produced a prodigy (Heroic to Genius level artisan)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X] [React] Kick Megaproject
[X] [Policy] Defence (+1 significant walls/turn) x1
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1Sustainable Forest and -1 EconExpansion/2 turns)
[X] [Bonus] At least two technology upgrades (exploding rolls)
 
[X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X] [Hero] The smiths working overtime produced a prodigy (Heroic to Genius level artisan)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Gulvalley (-4 Diplo, +3 Econ, +8 Econ Expansion, +2 Mysticism, +3 Culture, +1 Tech, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X] [React] Kick Megaproject
[X] [Policy] Defence (+1 significant walls/turn) x1
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random value
 
PrimalShadow said:
Everyone voting Special Forestry. We've been told that it DOESN'T give forest innovation rolls. Are you really okay wasting that benefit?
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Ultimately we're not going to be hitting expand forest enough as an action to counteract the benefits of continuously expanding our forests passively, which is needed to fill in every available hectare with trees. Also, AN said that it does make forest-related innovation rolls more likely, so I don't mind too much.
 
[X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X] [Hero] The smiths working overtime produced a prodigy (Heroic to Genius level artisan)
[X] [Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X] [React] Kick Megaproject
[X] [Policy] Defence (+1 significant walls/turn) x1
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random value
 
Hmm, Stallion is still leading vs Gulvalley.

I'm not sure if there will be bad narrative impact of ignoring the desperate plea from the governor down the road, especially given their location next to Trelli.

Edit: if Stallion ended winning, hopefully we'll have option to integrate Gulvalley next turn.
 
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PrimalShadow said:
Everyone voting Special Forestry. We've been told that it DOESN'T give forest innovation rolls. Are you really okay wasting that benefit?
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Between getting forests and no innovation rolls, and getting neither, it's an easy pick, yes.

notgreat said:
It can also take Salterns, Libraries, Temples, Colossal Walls, Governor's Palace, Palace Annexes, and Trails.

Pretty much all of which would be nice to have more of.
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Libraries require they already have a Temple or be a True City.

Temples, Governor's Palace, and Aqueducts all get us True Cities.

Annexes still won't happen on their own.

And if we're only getting salterns and the extra library in the what, one? still open slot, we sure as hell don't need 5+ progress per turn. Our current 3 is fine.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Definitely not.
  1. We don't have the Centralization for it, period. We are going to be at 2 cent already.
  2. We don't have the population to fill all that space. All of our True Cities would instantly pop, and there go our free policies.
  3. We are about to start a War; why would we try for another megaproject right before it?
On top of all that... is all the low hanging fruit we have already REALLY not enough for you? We want to take a double-main Expand Trails. Same for a double main Expand Forests. We have trade missions to send out, and trade goods to gain dominance/leadership in. We have a Dam to build, and subordinates to influence. And so on.

Why should we rush to integrate Gulvalles to unlock a Direct Trade Megaproject there? How is that a priority that supersedes everything we are doing right now?
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!. We're basically Empire size now. Just because I want something doesn't mean I don't want something else. This? It's a secondary action, and we can pair it with building roads to manage the centralization.

2. We are in a Population Boom, and that space will be used up. The fact that we're aqueducting Redshore also gives us a higher expansion slot tolerance for popping True Cities, so we will be fine. Besides the actions we use can be set to make sure nothing pops.

3. I said Integrate. Not start the megaproject. The Megaproject only becomes available after we own the land, and can be done later. Also a war? Don't make be laugh. We have a Martial Genius. We surround them and we are both tactically and materially superior to them in every single way. This won't be a war, this will be an occupation. We have a good chance of doing it with just mains.


Also in General, whose up for defensive policy? Walls use Martial, so they'll help in decreasing our way overcapped martial while getting important work done.
 
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NotAlwaysFanfic said:
also, @Concho117 Heaven's Hawk is further west of the Stallions, not North of them like that, the mountains don't cut off our territory from the Steppes. Stonepen, which our northeasternmost core province, would be exposed to them.
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Not really.
If you look at the previous maps on the first page you can see that HH is directly east of ST. Likewise on the Awesome Map thread mark you can clearly see the mountain range cutting off Stonepen and Northshore.
 
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King's musings
  • Apocrypha
    • The following excerpt is part of a larger text written by Desdydyn, a Ymaryn philosopher-king, copied by the scribe Dalyn during the Ymaryn reorganization sometime during 200-205 A.D. The full text contains the completed musings on this particular case, but a shortened excerpt will be shown to display the points relevant to modern psychological studies.

    "And so comes to my attention the woman Yenyna, The Dragon General, whose record I have received from the priests maintaining the [sanitarium] of the Dragon Temple. In my questioning of her, I have found her to be deeply disturbed and displaying a number of maladies at once, a rare and unfortunate happenstance, but I must confess to my fascination with her particular [case] and the blessings bestowed upon her by the cohabitant. I have seen the prescribed treatments, and have concluded that only another person, who resonates strongly with Yenyna's human soul and strengthens it against the affectations of the cohabitant, will relieve her of her spiritual pains, the calming herbs being too weak for this cohabitant."

    The text itself is part of Desdydyn's greater Musings on the Spirit collection, showcasing the advanced psychological diagnostic techniques this ancient civilization pioneered for use today. The patient in question is the ubiquitous Dragon General Yenyna, who modern psychologists have supposed suffered from a severe case of schizophrenia, as well as other possible conditions caused or exacerbated by her mental state during the course of the war during that time period. Despite her illness, Yenyna displayed a strong aptitude for tactics in relation to the time period, and by reading this text we can see that even budding scientists and scholars of the past were fascinated with the unique ways mental illness presented itself and the concept of savantism in general.

    Terms contained in brackets are similar to the chosen replacement, which has no direct translation or is more comprehensible in modern language. Ymaryn "Sanitariums" were actually a cross between modern physical therapy centers and in-patient psychological care centers. The Ymaryn term for "Case" literally translates to "condition of one's spirit."
     
  • Apocrypha
    • [X] [Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
    [X] [Hero] One of the negotiators truly shone among the Khemetri (Heroic to Genius level diplomat)
    [X] [Prov] Integrate Gulvalley (-4 Diplo, +3 Econ, +8 Econ Expansion, +2 Mysticism, +3 Culture, +1 Tech, new core province)
    [X] [React] Megaproject - The Games
    -[X] [React] Kick Megaproject
    [X] [Policy] Trade (+1 Wealth/turn)
    [X] [Policy] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x1
    [X] [Bonus] Upgrade a random value

    Let's turn Yenyna into Xinderylla!

    huhYeahGoodPoint said:
    Honestly, if you couldn't tell that was crack I'd be disappointed in you.
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    Shippers can believe some pretty darn crazy things when it comes to their pairings.

    I should know, I'm one of them~

    Kiba said:
    Tales of the Four Kingdoms would seem to me an accurate title for one of the epic. I would have done Romance of the Four Kingdoms, but I don't think that would fit.
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    *looks at a certain duet of steel*
    No, Romance sounds about right.
     
    Umi-san said:
    the first two might lead to a TC
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    Pretty quickly.

    More importantly, however long it takes for the city itself to emerge - they commit us to having to support a higher number of cities.

    If we set up the catalysts for six True Cities and then find out we can only support four, we get kinda fucked. We can't unbuild things. If the policy is also still running setting up even more at the time, we're even more fucked, because we'll have to spend actions turning it off in the middle of a crisis.
     
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    Susano said:
    Plus our Divine Stewards trait. We should only take land if we can be absolutely sure we can hold it.


    We were on pretty good terms with them. We even leased our Red Banner to them.

    Then they conspired with the Thunder Speakers to attack us when we were busy with Xoyhr.
    The Thunder Speakers didn't attack, but the HK did.
    Then they stole iron from us.
    Then they attacked us when the Khemetri and everyone else did.

    They are backstabbing barbarians. We already absorbed one half of the former Western Confederacy (the Hatathayn). Time to nom also the other half.
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    There will always be backstabbing barbarians. We can't keep expanding and neglecting our internal shit.
     
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