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Paths of Civilization
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From the Water's Edge
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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A View From The Water's Edge- A Khemetri Negaverse Omake
(@Academia Nut, and @ the thread at large, I hope you like this I wrote it in about an hour at 2 in the morning)[K] Found Colony- Northern Shore
"Oh, Mighty King of the Rivers, your servant brings ill news from the Northern Shore! Efforts to expand into the mountainous lands there, as is your right, have been forestalled by the barbarous Hill-men, who defy your rightful claim to the lands of the world! Worse still, when informed politely by your servants that the land did not belong to them, they became belligerent. Your servant fears they will need convincing of a military nature before they will accept your divine personage as their lord."
It would be War, then. The Hill-men, who in days past controlled the trade of Tin in the North-Sea, will not surrender to the Son of Khemet, the King of the Rivers. Second-hand reports from other lands tell that they are powerful, having subdued all who would strike them. And there were (reportedly) many who would strike them. However, first-hand reports were few and far between - apparently, any scout who had been sent to their lands stopped reporting after a year or two, apparently having been caught. The last one to report mentioned that he had been welcomed with open arms into the service of a local potentate, his literacy in their rough, throaty tongue being a desirable quality. For some reason, his heritage seemed to be a non-issue. Despite how this would indicate they are desperate for bodies, they are admired and feared by those around them. As such, they pose a threat to your line's claim upon the adoring vassalhood of the world! This would not be easy, but Khemet's Will would be done!
....
It MUST be done.
Made direct contact with Ymaryn assets!
Two Kings of the Hill Enter, one leaves!
Decision?
[] [KotH] Bring it (Declare Great Power War with the Ymaryn, both remain King of the Hill status until the end of the war, winner retains it)
[] [KotH] Give way (-20 Prestige, -4 RA, -4 Stability, small amount of territory loss, all civs that had the 'Take the Crown CB' gain 'Weak' CB for the next 3 turns, Colonies gain "Faithless" trait for 3 turns)
Preparations for the King's call to war would be done. Reports tell that the warriors of the Hill-men bear stout armor and weapons, of a kind you have not heard of in such numbers. This must be countered. You have a great store of bronze, thanks to your wise ancestor's reclamation of the Tin trade from the North-sea long ago. What should be done with it?
[] Arm as many of your lesser soldiers as possible
[] Arm the Nomarchs and their retinues
[] Try to balance both options
[] Hang onto it
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BungieONI
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Yas. Dis is good.
Nom nom nom.
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The Great One
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[X] [Main] Build Annex - Arsenal
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Metalx2
I think it might be better to go all in for this. Increases the chances for steel and our ability to distribute it throughout our armies.
EDIT: Even if we don't get Steel, with heroic mysticism and the impetus from war we'd be guaranteed to get a powerful weapon innovation. The arsenal and the widespread presence of iron itself would allow us to get the innovation to our army quickly and change the nature of the war.
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Metalx2
I think it might be better to go all in for this. Increases the chances for steel and our ability to distribute it throughout our armies.
EDIT: Even if we don't get Steel, with heroic mysticism and the impetus from war we'd be guaranteed to get a powerful weapon innovation. The arsenal and the widespread presence of iron itself would allow us to get the innovation to our army quickly and change the nature of the war.
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keenscythe
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Need to format it like this to get the double main.
[] [Main] Build Annex - Arsenal
[] [Secondary] Study Metal
[] [Secondary] Study Metalx2
[X] Main Study Metal
[X] Secondary Build Annex - Arsenal
[X] Secondary Build Annex - Arsenal x2
The Arsenal won't have to roll for completion, Study Metal will, so it seems like a better bet to Main it.
[X] Secondary Build Annex - Arsenal
[X] Secondary Build Annex - Arsenal x2
The Arsenal won't have to roll for completion, Study Metal will, so it seems like a better bet to Main it.
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Assisting the artisans will give us the tech we need to implement improvements and improve our crossbows and bolt-throwers
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Analysis!
Short one this time so I can rush something out
Economy 16 [-1+12] -> 16 [-1+12]
-More Blackbirds -1
-Study Health -1
-Refugees +2
Econ Expansion 10 [+1-12] -> Econ Expansion 10 [+1-12]
-More Blackbirds +1
-Study Health +1
-Refugees -2
Martial 10 {15} -> 11 (+1) {16}
-War Losses -1
-More Blackbirds +2
Lost some dudes, but veterancy is kicking in to replace that.
Wealth 16 [+5-2] -> 14 [+5-5]
-More Blackbirds -1
-Bolters -1
-Study Health -1
-??? +1
Culture 7 -> Culture 8
-More Blackbirds +1
Blackbirds spur an explosion of mask designs?
Mysticism 7 (+6) [+1] -> 11 (+2) [+1]
-More Blackbirds -1
-Study Health +1
-Library cashout +4(2 points still pending from midturn to midturn)
Normal enough
Tech 5 -> 0
-Bolters -3
-Galena -2
That spent rather quickly.
Centralization 4 -> 3
-Galena -1
Meow.
Hierarchy 7 -> 7
Nice Legacy. It's in the safe zone again.
Trade:
Nothing much here:
-Silver - No longer suffering a deficit. We got enough production for now.
-Pilgrimage - Thunder Speakers replaced/absorbed by Thunder Horse. Hopefully they cleave more to the Rainbow Pony than to the Blood God.
Incidentally I wonder if the Khemtri realize they've been funding our mercenaries due to their high demand for gemstones and tin.
Minions:
-Stallion Tribes: L 4/5 -> L 5/5
-Gulvalley: L 4/5 -> L 5/5
-Heaven's Hawks: L 3/5 -> L 4/5
-Txolla: L 3/5 -> L 4/5
Well, Phygrif was right about one thing: War unites the people.
+1 Loyalty across the board, and we have enough specialty slots not to be particularly concerned about running out.
Triangular sails are officially on the list!
This basically let you catch the wind in your preferred direction as long as it isn't outright opposite the wind direction, and also to run on momentum by minimizing wind profile on demand.
Very useful in the Mediterranean and Black Sea, where proximity to land produces somewhat erratic wind currents.
The Gastraphetes is the simple one man crossbow. It doesn't fire any harder than one person's maximum muscle power, simply storing and releasing it more conveniently...but normal bows can't use this maximum, and the gastraphetes leverages your back and leg muscles to load rather than the relatively weaker arms.
Bolt throwers, as described in the text, are metal bolts(which due to density, packs a far higher maximum KE) fired with a mechanism that needed two men to load.
Yes, it's the first crew-served weapon.
This packed a pretty crazy penetration, which the enemy armor wasn't rated against, though we can expect them to further thicken armor in a few turns in response. Pretty much ideal for Blackbird snipers to take out enemy elites.
The Romans made it work, by sending irregular auxillaries out ahead, to cover the advance of the main force, but this carried the risk of the irregulars breaking and thus shaking the morale of the main force if withdrawal was disorderly.
Alternatively we could just use them as shock and then march up our core troops to press the advantage.
On the bright side, it seems the Trelli mercenaries aren't copying our Tactical Phases!
The scouts look like they should be from one of their african colonies, skin colors grow a lot darker further into Africa, so it's possible that they're drawing from the central African jungles for their scout auxillaries.
After all, scout type units are common in Swamp, Forest and Jungle biomes, but less in plains and floodplains like they have.
And while they don't have enough bronze to give everyone some, they had enough bronze to turn their elites into walking tanks. This would be bronze helmet, cuirass, bracers, greave and lamellar skirts/tabards depending on their experience
Once we get the techups, we REALLY need to fortify it hard.
There's very little hope of pushing through valleys and massive numbers to actually hit their colonies.
Cosmopolitan Acceptance's hidden drawback...it's kind of difficult to maintain information security for anything as commonly in use as iron.
And of course, the underworld had decided informing the King was important, fortunately. Presumably it wasn't this bit of the underground.
We'll just have to move to the next qualitative advantage then. And try to assimilate the Shadow Network into our government with the Golden Age.
Is this outdated?
We know:
-Hatvalley built SOME Significant Walls before we took them in.
-Hatvalley definitely had some settlements
-Passive Policy built one set of Significant Walls
-But neither the number of walls or settlements increased, though Watchtowers DID drop 10%?
Or maybe this value should move to the main sheet like Sustainable Forests did?
Anasthetics will help our Carrion Eaters a great deal in this conflict.
And annoy the Khemtri if we add the trade goods.
Short one this time so I can rush something out
Economy 16 [-1+12] -> 16 [-1+12]
-More Blackbirds -1
-Study Health -1
-Refugees +2
Econ Expansion 10 [+1-12] -> Econ Expansion 10 [+1-12]
-More Blackbirds +1
-Study Health +1
-Refugees -2
Martial 10 {15} -> 11 (+1) {16}
-War Losses -1
-More Blackbirds +2
Lost some dudes, but veterancy is kicking in to replace that.
Wealth 16 [+5-2] -> 14 [+5-5]
-More Blackbirds -1
-Bolters -1
-Study Health -1
-??? +1
Culture 7 -> Culture 8
-More Blackbirds +1
Blackbirds spur an explosion of mask designs?
Mysticism 7 (+6) [+1] -> 11 (+2) [+1]
-More Blackbirds -1
-Study Health +1
-Library cashout +4(2 points still pending from midturn to midturn)
Normal enough
Tech 5 -> 0
-Bolters -3
-Galena -2
That spent rather quickly.
Centralization 4 -> 3
-Galena -1
Meow.
Hierarchy 7 -> 7
Nice Legacy. It's in the safe zone again.
Trade:
Trade Status
| Resource | Status | Rivals |
| Luxuries | ||
| Amber | Known only | |
| Fine Pottery | Minor | |
| Fine Dye | Dominating | Trelli |
| Fine Textiles | None | Swamp Folk, Trelli |
| Furs | Known only | |
| Gems | Dominating | Trelli, Tin Tribes, Khem (in) |
| Glass | Dominating | |
| Gold | Significant + minor trading (in) | Metal Workers, Khem->Trelli |
| Incense | None | Khem->Trelli |
| Mercury | Dominating | None |
| Silver | Significant (in) | MW, Trelli (in) |
| Salt | Dominating | Trelli |
| Spices | None | (SI+Khem)->Trelli |
| Wine | Dominating | Trelli |
| Strategic | ||
| Copper | Leading | Highlanders, Thunder Horse, MW, Trelli |
| Bronze | Minor | Trelli |
| Slaves | Forbidden | MW (in), Trelli, TT |
| Tin | Minor + Significant Trading | MW (in), TH (in), HK (in), Tin Tribes, Trelli->Khem |
| Iron | Non-traded dominant | MW |
| Cultural | ||
| Pilgrimage | Major Competition | TH |
-Silver - No longer suffering a deficit. We got enough production for now.
-Pilgrimage - Thunder Speakers replaced/absorbed by Thunder Horse. Hopefully they cleave more to the Rainbow Pony than to the Blood God.
Incidentally I wonder if the Khemtri realize they've been funding our mercenaries due to their high demand for gemstones and tin.
Minions:
-Stallion Tribes: L 4/5 -> L 5/5
-Gulvalley: L 4/5 -> L 5/5
-Heaven's Hawks: L 3/5 -> L 4/5
-Txolla: L 3/5 -> L 4/5
Well, Phygrif was right about one thing: War unites the people.
+1 Loyalty across the board, and we have enough specialty slots not to be particularly concerned about running out.
Triangular sails are officially on the list!
This basically let you catch the wind in your preferred direction as long as it isn't outright opposite the wind direction, and also to run on momentum by minimizing wind profile on demand.
Very useful in the Mediterranean and Black Sea, where proximity to land produces somewhat erratic wind currents.
And we have the two new weapon types here.
The Gastraphetes is the simple one man crossbow. It doesn't fire any harder than one person's maximum muscle power, simply storing and releasing it more conveniently...but normal bows can't use this maximum, and the gastraphetes leverages your back and leg muscles to load rather than the relatively weaker arms.
Bolt throwers, as described in the text, are metal bolts(which due to density, packs a far higher maximum KE) fired with a mechanism that needed two men to load.
Yes, it's the first crew-served weapon.
This packed a pretty crazy penetration, which the enemy armor wasn't rated against, though we can expect them to further thicken armor in a few turns in response. Pretty much ideal for Blackbird snipers to take out enemy elites.
Truly, Crow has a great sense of humor.
So our count of Trelli mercenaries was correct(that they had 3 bands, and about 3 more paid with the hire of these 3). We hired every single one off them to prevent Khemtri from hiring them(and it'd have been VERY messy if they did, considering we got a draw with them on our side)
Our coordination is suffering because of Angry Mob warfare vs Disciplined warfare. Hopefully the Excellent Martial War Chief can figure out how to combine these.
The Romans made it work, by sending irregular auxillaries out ahead, to cover the advance of the main force, but this carried the risk of the irregulars breaking and thus shaking the morale of the main force if withdrawal was disorderly.
Alternatively we could just use them as shock and then march up our core troops to press the advantage.
On the bright side, it seems the Trelli mercenaries aren't copying our Tactical Phases!
We Have Reserves check. They use the same basic fighting style, though with worse foot equipment, they have a lot of dudes(probably using Slave inflated econ for martial?)
And they also have an Honor of Elites variant.
The scouts look like they should be from one of their african colonies, skin colors grow a lot darker further into Africa, so it's possible that they're drawing from the central African jungles for their scout auxillaries.
After all, scout type units are common in Swamp, Forest and Jungle biomes, but less in plains and floodplains like they have.
And while they don't have enough bronze to give everyone some, they had enough bronze to turn their elites into walking tanks. This would be bronze helmet, cuirass, bracers, greave and lamellar skirts/tabards depending on their experience
Too bad we brought Iron Age Anti Tank shots. Normal arrows don't pack enough momentum to penetrate their armor except in a gap(and hitting such a gap is hard to do in battle)...but iron bolts DO pack that much. So they fall.
So far, our garrison forces and mercenaries are stalling them from any advance, but not pushing into their lands. Those valleys are going to turn red with blood.
Once we get the techups, we REALLY need to fortify it hard.
There's very little hope of pushing through valleys and massive numbers to actually hit their colonies.
Metalworkers have turned into an Iron pinata. Next generation of nomads will be hell. Theres going to be a lot of very surprised people when they arrive and buttsex the whole region.
And the Highlanders have Iron now, so they might actually last.
Cosmopolitan Acceptance's hidden drawback...it's kind of difficult to maintain information security for anything as commonly in use as iron.
And of course, the underworld had decided informing the King was important, fortunately. Presumably it wasn't this bit of the underground.
Well, good thing we didn't flag as Weak(just imagine what they'd have done if we did), but we do need to fortify the Cataract region as well as Hatvalley soon.
We'll just have to move to the next qualitative advantage then. And try to assimilate the Shadow Network into our government with the Golden Age.
@Academia Nut
Is this outdated?
We know:
-Hatvalley built SOME Significant Walls before we took them in.
-Hatvalley definitely had some settlements
-Passive Policy built one set of Significant Walls
-But neither the number of walls or settlements increased, though Watchtowers DID drop 10%?
Or maybe this value should move to the main sheet like Sustainable Forests did?
Also, since we have 10 Expansion slots, did Sacred Forest reform or is the trigger point lower?
Also outdated.
Not sure if city exists or not here. Superposition!
Looks like the demand for rope and tough cloth dropped a lot. Still there though.
Probably want this?
Anasthetics will help our Carrion Eaters a great deal in this conflict.
And annoy the Khemtri if we add the trade goods.
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To take advantage of our current Hero King: "Special: Heroic Mystic king improves all study actions":
[X] [Main] Study Alchemy
[X] [Main] Study Health
[X] [Main] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal x2
We desperately need Tech, which is zero at the moment. We do not have any Tech and so the current vote for Arsenal seems less useful. If we gain steel as hoped we will not have the Tech (it will probably cost tech, if there are choices the better ones will cost more).
We are behind on trails, and have been for a long time. I am curious what options will open up if we have enough trails to connect all our people with more than marginal trails.
[ ] [Main] Plant Hemp
Things we need:
[ASAP] [Main] Build Theatre
* -1 Econ, -2 Wealth, -1 Culture, +4 Culture end of turn, +2 Culture next turn, other effects
I would like both the Culture gain and the "other effects".
[ASAP] [Main] Build Watchtowers
* -1 Econ, +10% coverage
[ASAP] Change Policy - Defence
I would like 100% Watchtowers. It is the best defence we can build, reducing the damage of raids and allowing us to respond to attacks quicker. With Symphony it should only take a few turns to reach 100%. (Costs 7 Main actions and -7 Econ). I am hoping once we reach 100% it will become automatic (not requiring action in future), AN said it was possible for watchtowers to become automatic. If we are lucky we will gain a improved tech or a wonder for reaching 100% coverage.
[ASAP] [Main] Expand Forests
* -3 Econ, -3 Econ Expansion, grows forest, +4 Econ next turn if in settled and controlled territory, improved odds of success, other effects, +1 Sustainable Forest
We NEED more forests for Glassworks, Mines, defences and future industry. I would like to see what will happen if our unused forests are double our used, but with 7/8 used and so many uses for forests that will not happen.
[ASAP] [Secondary] Library - Sacred Forest
Libraries = good
Palace Annex - (7/11) I prefer the following annexes; (but we need more provinces before we can support them all)
-Shrine x1
-Library x2
-Gardens x1
-Arsenal x2
-Great Hall Expansion x1
When we are next at peace I would like to [Retraining] and integrate one of our subordinates.
Sometime in the future we should; Build Glassworks, Build Mills, Plant Poppies and more megaprojects.
In a Golden age the passive policies: Industry (+1 Tech/turn),Innovation (Extra innovation roll each turn) would be useful to allow use to jump forward technologically.
[X] [Main] Study Alchemy
[X] [Main] Study Health
[X] [Main] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal x2
We desperately need Tech, which is zero at the moment. We do not have any Tech and so the current vote for Arsenal seems less useful. If we gain steel as hoped we will not have the Tech (it will probably cost tech, if there are choices the better ones will cost more).
[X] [Main] Support Artisans
[X] [Secondary] Support Artisans
[X] [Secondary] Support Artisans
We are behind on trails, and have been for a long time. I am curious what options will open up if we have enough trails to connect all our people with more than marginal trails.
[X] [Main] New Trails
[X] [Secondary] New Trails
[X] [Secondary] New Trails
[ ] [Main] Plant Hemp
[ ] [Secondary] More Blackbirds
[ ] [Secondary] More Carrion Eaters
[ ] [Main] More Boats
[ ] [Main] New Settlement
[ ] [Secondary] More Carrion Eaters
[ ] [Main] More Boats
[ ] [Main] New Settlement
Things we need:
[ASAP] [Main] Build Theatre
* -1 Econ, -2 Wealth, -1 Culture, +4 Culture end of turn, +2 Culture next turn, other effects
I would like both the Culture gain and the "other effects".
[ASAP] [Main] Build Watchtowers
* -1 Econ, +10% coverage
[ASAP] Change Policy - Defence
I would like 100% Watchtowers. It is the best defence we can build, reducing the damage of raids and allowing us to respond to attacks quicker. With Symphony it should only take a few turns to reach 100%. (Costs 7 Main actions and -7 Econ). I am hoping once we reach 100% it will become automatic (not requiring action in future), AN said it was possible for watchtowers to become automatic. If we are lucky we will gain a improved tech or a wonder for reaching 100% coverage.
[ASAP] [Main] Expand Forests
* -3 Econ, -3 Econ Expansion, grows forest, +4 Econ next turn if in settled and controlled territory, improved odds of success, other effects, +1 Sustainable Forest
We NEED more forests for Glassworks, Mines, defences and future industry. I would like to see what will happen if our unused forests are double our used, but with 7/8 used and so many uses for forests that will not happen.
[ASAP] [Secondary] Library - Sacred Forest
Libraries = good
Palace Annex - (7/11) I prefer the following annexes; (but we need more provinces before we can support them all)
-Shrine x1
-Library x2
-Gardens x1
-Arsenal x2
-Great Hall Expansion x1
When we are next at peace I would like to [Retraining] and integrate one of our subordinates.
Sometime in the future we should; Build Glassworks, Build Mills, Plant Poppies and more megaprojects.
In a Golden age the passive policies: Industry (+1 Tech/turn),Innovation (Extra innovation roll each turn) would be useful to allow use to jump forward technologically.
Basically yes.
Metal for Steel, which should already be well within reach already, considering we have centuries of experience with iron, Artisans to try to get Power on top of the Size, which has synergy with Metal(because Steel parts REALLY open up options there)
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
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[X] [Main] Build Annex - Arsenal
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Support Artisans
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Support Artisans
BungieONI
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Think you borked a bit veekie in the beginning, we had carrion eaters and not bb's.
Otherwise looks good!
@Academia Nut could we get the Trelli involved in the war by mentioning to them that the Khem are trying to break their trade monopoly?
BungieONI
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Concho117
Going really fast!
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Yeah.
Actually for a polity whose weakness is losing land we sure have a lot of land.
BungieONI
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And it's mostly accidental.
*rests cheek on hand*
We reeeeeeallly didn't mean to grow this big.
Honest. *pointedly ignores past comments saying he wanted the Lowlands*
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- Hell
Something that has not been addressed about the spread of iron.
Fuel.
We have renewable sources that others do not. Moreover those sources are of significant cultural value to us.
I believe the Causi Bellus with the Highland Kingdom is going to take a different form than that that has been stated.
Fuel.
We have renewable sources that others do not. Moreover those sources are of significant cultural value to us.
I believe the Causi Bellus with the Highland Kingdom is going to take a different form than that that has been stated.
BungieONI
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*thinks about it for a second*
BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
BungieONI
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I noticed that.
I think my only nitpick with the map as is, is that the East Sea in the top right corner is too close. It was described as taking years to get from there to here when we first heard about it.
The thread sorta decided that it's more likely a farther east in land sea AN just cooked up or a flooded Tarim Basin or Aral Sea, than a wackily shaped Casipan.
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- Madness realms
Can you imagine the furor with which we would reapond to them coming and attacking us for our forests?