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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Given the role of Province Actions as letting us do more while keeping to the "no more than three voted actions per turn" that this quest has held to, I'm quite sure the answer to this is no.
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- Mists of Albion
Baby Boom wasn't me so I can't expand on that, ask BungiOni.
However you are right, Defence does help the people, however these are People in the shape of the immediate Kingdom of the Ymaryn, not our colonies and Marches who have a certain level of independence in exchange for a certain level of self responsibility
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Yeah we can. But not our Peripheries (Marches etc). They have not contributed to the Megaproject even though we are on the Megasupport policy. That was all our Provinces.
As to the Baby Boom thing here:
notgreat was the one who noticed the issue initially.
Hey! It was the only thing I could find that wasn't hideously long and annoying.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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"What's that? You're looking for the Southerners, who you have a grudge with? Oh, well, that can't be us, we've never started a war. Must be those guys who do human sacrifice down that way. Here, you can take our roads. Give em one from us."
BungieONI
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I get the long term tech gain approach idea. But we'll get pilgrimage either way, and a secondary proclaim glory gives the same boost effect.
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Hey! It was the only thing I could find that wasn't hideously long and annoying.
We are the teutonic knights do you know that? The Ymaryn are the teutonic knights man!
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
There's no cognitive dissonance at all.
I think the real reason the thread went for it is because they saw prestige in both a literal and figurative sense. "Long term tech advancement" was just a justification, and a poor one, IMO, considering the drawbacks to making religion a defined export. So I suppose I don't really "not see the logic" but rather just think it's really poor logic.
Notwithstanding is the fact that tech is a long term reward in all cases. It is never an instant thing, and the earlier you get a tech, the longer it has to make those benefits multiply.
We pull in thousands of refugees every generation. We aren't much more likely to get special techs from religious pilgrims than we are from refugees.
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Considering how stupid the Northern Nomads are to just blindly declare a Waaagh on civilisations they don't know the capabilities of, that they also know are allies to a more tamed Nomad Waaaagh and that they know wrecked a Waaaagh or two before I can see this working
BungieONI
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Well probably not the same boost to Pilgrimage ranking, in my opinion. It makes no real sense for it to be 1 to 1. That just gets silly really quick as people bounce all over the place.
I can see it.
Though personally *leans close* I just like to zuck ze blood of foreigners. *wiggles eyebrows*
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- Philippines
I really want to build the dam for one reason it will give us a stab point and we need all the stability we need right now with no GS.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
-2/10. Not enough armor.
Wonder if people will create metallic chest armor? It's usually the arrow to the chest that disables and kills people, penetration to organs and blood vessel.
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- Simi Valley, CA, United States
Yeah, I noticed the mix up immediately and edited it. As always I'm too slow on this site.
Main point for me here.
Oh well.
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
[X] [Corruption] Enforce Justice
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] No change
I still stand firm on Enforce Justice over Deploy Force.
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Monk (Age of Empires II) Teutons can do wololo rushes with monks, to yeah, Ymarin all the way converting enemy villagers...
BungieONI
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I don't agree with this. Refugees are mostly farmers with the occasional artisans and mystics spread in them, all running for their lives. Pilgrims in my mind are people like chiefs, their retinues, high shamans, and then the normal people who are rich enough to afford the trip of their own desire. That seems like a really stark difference.
Though *tilts head* I'm not actually sure why I am trying to argue this. I didn't even vote for a Temple option.
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The majority of our refugees are of the lower classes. Pilgrims are generally of the upper classes. There's a significant difference in what they know. (And we want both)
This will likely boost our Pilgrimage from Moderate to either Significant or Leading.
Vote's been called.
For a little bit of math from RO: Under a normal leader, 44% chance of being awesome, 75% of at least succeeding, and 6% of failing horribly. With the heroic admin, we're probably closer to 90% success and 1% failing horribly.
Since Enforce is hated by the Trails crew, it really had no chance.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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So art patronage (Main), proclaim glory (main), and salt gift, among normal actions.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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Bonus Trailer! *Written on mobile*
A young man on a chariot rides through an idyllic forest, chatting with a small child following curiously after him.
"Your people certainly are rich, lad. Do you know how they did it? My father would say that all those who do not wander are weak, without the steppe to sharpen them."
"My maw says that's nothing but an excuse to be dis-harmon-yus. The world is hard enough without making a noosance of yerself. She says that's where the word noosance comes from- because being one don't make no sence."
"And what happens when someone else decides to be a nuisance, lad?"
"We-ell, that's where maw says ya gotta keep some pro-fesh-nal noosances around. Bein a noosance to those who wanna be a noosance ain't as bad, she sez. And I've seen some of our noosances. They got big and strong and they've kept all the others away since great-grandfathers grandfather was born!"
"So who taught your people to live like that, boy?"
"Oh well that's simple! Mr Crow did!His Temple's right up here. You should stop and say hello!"
As the two crest a small hill, the Grand Temple of the Ymaryn comes into view, along with many other nomads, camped out for the night.
"It's only 'spectful, after all."
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- Australia
I'm pretty sure that's for trade only. Our shamans' livelihoods are not dependent on pilgrims. If we had Sacred War it would gave a casus belli, but as it is it won't.
On that note, Centre of Trade itself does not give casus belli. What it does is make people angry when others come into the market, but that alone is no more justification for war than any other variant of "because I want to go to war and profit from it". Two things will happen if that con is hit: either it'll clash with Symphony and stuff will happen from that, or the king will have to increase production to regain Dominance in a peaceful manner.
Abby Normal
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A main actually gives at least one diplo, so we're already at the point where we produce enough diplo to afford a salt gift each turn. The action cost, opportunity cost in not doing other actions, and the likely downside of diminishing returns if we do salt gifts too close together are the bigger issues, imo.If we get one more diplomacy as income, we can do Salt Gift every turn.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I don't know what things were like back in the Bronze Age, but the pilgrimage routes I'm familiar with are more of an 'everyone tries to go to this location once in their lives, if they believe in the tenets of this religion.' Peasants were just as likely to pack up with a bindle of food and start walking towards the Holy Land or Mecca as kings with their retinues and supply trains.
BungieONI
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Now that I think about it yep you are right I think. And since we want both of these peoples I figure it is a nice thing for us.
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That's only for religions with advanced theology. We're not there yet. I think we can hope for Greek mythology status - having a set pantheon with set stories.