Seems so. It goes back on the list.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Australia
I'm willing to try it with normal actions, but not with policy. Policy is more for implementing what we already have than experimenting, and the Defence policy also includes the building of walls, which is less useful than the watch towers. Let the policies handle general improvements while we use the normal actions for this kind of thing.
While we do watch towers, the provinces can go back to doing Expand Holy Sites. Despite what you said, we have not done it enough.
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- Location
- Austria
Provinces will do walls instead, about which we do not really care; better to manually build watchtowers while provinces do something else. Like maybe Progress for Surveys and the like.
Also, @Academia Nut , sorry, I have not seen it answered, so: are there any policies that include building boats? I presume Trade and maybe Expansion do, is it correct?
Spirit policy is too narrow to be worthwhile, I think; Trade or Progress or Expansion make more sense to me, honestly.
- Location
- Australia
Spirit policy is exactly as narrow as it should be to be worthwhile, as it focuses on doing the one thing we want it to do, which is expand holy sites enough to meet the literacy requirements of our kingdom. It's either that or do it ourselves, and if we do it ourselves we can't do the things covered under Trade/Province/Expansion in the specific ways we want them done.
- Location
- his hidden lair
Wat. Why? We're at like mysticism 8 right now, and have far more pressing needs in terms of a) expansion b) trade and c) teching up.
We got around the literacy issue by having simpler and more straightforward tax protocol and law- there's very little reason to spam more holy sites right now.
- Location
- Austria
Yeah, but it means switching too/from it a bit too often, I think. Like, broader ones can be left on for a while, while Spirit basically gives us Main Expand Holy Site per turn it's active for the price of one Secondary to switch to Spirit and one to switch from it. Unless we plan to run 2+ turns worth of it, it is not a good deal.
Do we need 2+ Main Expand Holy Sites? Remember, bigger Shaman caste will make them more 'normal' and political, which is a mixed blessing.
Literacy expand our ability to techup, but I do agree that we have other more pressing concern such as trade/expansion and March integration.
Well, it's up to @Academia Nut but based on the above quote I sourced from the update, the chiefs see FAR more uses in watchtowers than walls.
Walls don't do anything for them. It protects them from raiders, except Valleyhome and Sacred Forest have never in a thousand years been raided before. It makes them more resistant to Enforce Law actions, except the King has never needed to do that, again, since as long ago as we've had Kings(I'd also point out that Restore Order is not affected by walls since it's mainly Investigation based)
It makes logistics more difficult because you need to route your wagons through chokepoints instead of shortest path.
- Location
- Australia
We did not get around the literacy issue. It doesn't matter how complex or simple the law is, if a farmer cannot read the law or get the law read to him, he will get screwed. Besides that, there is more to the law than taxation, and increasing our people's ability to follow the law by actually knowing what the law is is a good thing.
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To be fair, literacy would help out greatly in teching up. I think Art Patronage would be much more to the point, though.
You also forgot infrastructure on your list of things we need.
- Location
- Australia
I thought Art Patronage would help too, but I was wrong. AN clarified that only Expand Holy Sites matters in terms of increasing literacy.
- Location
- his hidden lair
Yes, the simpler the laws, the easier it is to read. Our old tax code was so complex we were basically going to invent pseudo-lawyers just to ensure everyone knew what they could or couldn't do.
Our people for the most part are operating perfectly fine with the Law as is- hence why our society is more prosperous than ever. You're inventing/chasing problems when we already know the next issue in the pipeline for us. In the long run ensuring common literacy is good, but considering we decided to circumvent the need for super common literacy just a few turns ago, it's asinine to insist on chasing it right now.
No, I mean in teching up in general.
Art Patronage gets us things like better quality ceramics.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So basically since it would cost us an action via the Law not triggering, we'd most likely be better off using one of our actions to switch the policy manually
- Location
- Australia
That's true, but making the law easier to read doesn't matter if there aren't enough people who can read at all.
They are not operating "perfectly fine". It's working well enough to function and our society is indeed prospering, but it's not working as well as it could or should be, and our society has room to prosper even more. The sooner we start, the more used to following the law our people will be.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Hmmm... not sure where to put Boat Building at this point. It may simply fall through the cracks for some time.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
On one side more shamans will spread literacy as their descendants and pupils getting some knowledge rubbed off on them. Which would slowly increase the literacy spread as those able to read have better career prospects.
But on the flip side is that the more people know, the hard they are to manage. Since you can't expact a person with shaman grade knowledge to stay content as a simple farmer or artisan. And the government positions are limited at this moment, proto-noble class doesn't help.
It's like asking Bachelor or Master to be thankful of their minimum wage.
Being able to read and having historians and intellectuals could be a helpful tool in effecting the necessary social changes.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I hate to ask for citations, but I'd really like to read through one of those. Do you remember which storyline it happened in?
- Location
- his hidden lair
But there are. Because the simple fact we haven't had trouble with our Law indicates that for the most part. The easier the law is to understand, the less time literates have to spend explaining it to the illiterates. That's just basic common sense. It's easier to teach simple concepts and systems than complicated ones.
The problem is you're pursuing this in the face of the actual issues we're seeing. Technological development, ideological drift, improving infrastructure to improve quality of life, trade for medical knowledge. Even if this is technically a problem we haven't fully resolved, it's a problem we've at least partially addressed.
- Location
- United States
Before improving literacy, I'd like to see a proper math system. It would probably help a lot with all the engineering projects we do.
- Location
- Austria
Oookay, so we have to do those manually. Thanks, noted.
Heya, people, we have to spam boats manually if we want them (we really, really, do).
With this in mind...next turn we should probably do manual boats while switching provinces to Trade to maintain missions and the like. And another secondary into...something, maybe manual watchtowers or whatnot.
- Location
- Panama City
I agree. Since we simplified the tax code, we don't need to press for super high literacy at this point. doing so is just chasing shinies rather than addressing actually, real, PRESSING issues.
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
This raises the question: If a regular Salt Gift is strolling up and dumping a few hundred kilos of gold on their lawn what would it look like if we kicked it? Or spent 10 Diplomacy on Salt Gifts in one turn? Or both?
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
