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I think paper said he intended to insert a mention abt this in a chapter sometime soon
I just don't want to be dinged for not following up on Yuuma. We had the rune showcase, and then got pushed into an election arc, so I want to head off any potential Mio-esque accusations of "Hazou doesn't care about the adoptees" that might be budding.
 
@faflec both @Velorien and I feel as though this whole poison thing has come up in the past, but I can't find the reference. Does your magical memory include the reference?
Unfortunately, no. She's not a primary poison user -- based on what she's got on her it's clear that the stun stuff way a one-off for extreme circumstances, which I guess she figured this was. Most Naruto-ninja don't use poison because it's too easy to get yourself or your allies with the stuff.
 
It's only if someone questions him that his actions become weird, and Ami would probably be able to recognize that the meat sack can't contain memories that the gestalt can. CAN YOU IMAGINE?!?!

She'll dump him full of dangerous lore that he'll be able to act on without remembering!
Thank you! Thank you for giving me an avenue to interact with the grued part of the chapter that doesn't make it feel non-canon
hey remember how the letter is from THE Ami? A Singular rather than plural?
I read it to mean that it is the whole Ami organization as opposed to an Ami.
Where are you getting that?

There was a Clan that gifted three special plants to Leaf during the Contest. One of them was an effective anesthetic. Tsunade was kind of miffed that they kept it secret for so long, which made her say their name out loud, which in turn annoyed Asuma since the content gifts were supposed to remain anonymous outside the Tower.

Bottom line, the plant should be available in the Leaf library and is probably being cultivated by Leaf's general hospital.
The issue is, as Vel pointed out, poisons that take effect in less than 10 seconds or so, as otherwise you may as well not bother using it in a fight. I can see why many Clans wouldn't bother investing in researching it and would stick to making magic spells that blow people up instead
This makes little sense in ninja wars. If a decently competent chūnin manages to scratch a jōnin before dying, then said jōnin being out of commission for several weeks might win your Village the war. Poisoning your weapons is a preparation action that in no way makes you less effective than if you didn't (except for friendly fire situations).
What's that?
 
Link walking has brought me to a blast from the past that made me laugh hard enough to earn 1XP for a PC of @MadScientist 's choice.

Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Aaaand inspired. OMAKE: STORMING SOUND Click. Whirrrrrr. Obviously things had not been going to plan. Noburi had expected this. No plan survives contact with the enemy. Click. Whirrrrr. This particular enemy, more than most. And if Noburi remembered rightly, there was a saying about...

Currently avoiding mfd for mental health reasons. Noburi, but please avoid pinging me.
 
Been working on getting up to date on this story currently up to chap 151, and I'm posting to ask for spoilers. Do we ever start to use a bow and arrow? Our bloodline is basically perfectly suited to becoming an absolute monster of the bow. Im sure there would be a lot of research involved in creating techniques that augment and enhance the capabilities of a bow but being able to perfectly replicate each shot means Hazo would be able to perfectly aim and land every shot on someone he knows the capabilities of. So, Im basically just asking if we ever pick up the bow or if its been discussed and turned down for some reason.
 
Been working on getting up to date on this story currently up to chap 151, and I'm posting to ask for spoilers. Do we ever start to use a bow and arrow? Our bloodline is basically perfectly suited to becoming an absolute monster of the bow. Im sure there would be a lot of research involved in creating techniques that augment and enhance the capabilities of a bow but being able to perfectly replicate each shot means Hazo would be able to perfectly aim and land every shot on someone he knows the capabilities of. So, Im basically just asking if we ever pick up the bow or if its been discussed and turned down for some reason.
It was turned down IIRC: ninja would break most bows unless they're hyper-durable (see: Isan-nin using seals on their bows), thrown weapons like kunai would be just as effective, and Hazou is a Taijutsu spec and we didn't want to respec and waste all that XP.
 
Been working on getting up to date on this story currently up to chap 151, and I'm posting to ask for spoilers. Do we ever start to use a bow and arrow? Our bloodline is basically perfectly suited to becoming an absolute monster of the bow. Im sure there would be a lot of research involved in creating techniques that augment and enhance the capabilities of a bow but being able to perfectly replicate each shot means Hazo would be able to perfectly aim and land every shot on someone he knows the capabilities of. So, Im basically just asking if we ever pick up the bow or if its been discussed and turned down for some reason.
Spoiler: We do not.
Explanation:
  • We do not know of any ninja culture in the Elemental Nations that has developed bows that can utilize ninja draw strength without breaking. This means that thrown weapons have higher range and more power for ninja.
  • There is no reason that Hazō's aim with the bow should be more or less affected by his Bloodline than his aim with thrown weapons is. In game terms, the skill modifier should be the same.
  • Ninja can avoid long range arrows with relative ease. Hazō adapting to a ninja's behavior can be countered by said ninja altering their behavior.
 
On a watsonian level, this does imply that ninja that exist outside of the village system (ie those in Honey), would not have any resistance to this. Is this intended/accepted?
HDK. It's unlikely that there's any ninja clan on the planet that doesn't train poison resistance (since it would be a gaping weakness in their defences), but there's no way of knowing which resistances a given clan does or doesn't have.
 
HDK. It's unlikely that there's any ninja clan on the planet that doesn't train poison resistance (since it would be a gaping weakness in their defences), but there's no way of knowing which resistances a given clan does or doesn't have.
You know... I bet Orochimaru, Snuncle Warcrime Extraordinaire, would know. Seems like useful data. :p
 
Sounds like it's something all the ninja academies do, so yes.
Mist and Lwaf would have different poisons, right? Mist probably has aquatic-sourced poisons, and Leaf probably has plant-sourced ones.

@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @Paperclipped

Do we need to take action for Hazou to build up an immunity to Leaf-based poisons, or whatever might not have been covered by the Mist academy that is covered by the Leaf academy?
 
Mist and Lwaf would have different poisons, right? Mist probably has aquatic-sourced poisons, and Leaf probably has plant-sourced ones.

@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @Paperclipped

Do we need to take action for Hazou to build up an immunity to Leaf-based poisons, or whatever might not have been covered by the Mist academy that is covered by the Leaf academy?
Most villages would be building up resistances to the poison of other villages moreso than their own because the other villages are the ones actually trying to kill them constantly, but I think the intended QM message here is that it's fairly standardized at this point and if we want effective poison it'll need to be especially fancy.
 
I don't think this or some of the weirder personality related Out stuff is going to happen unless someone here wants to shovel a ludicrous pile of cash at the QMs to essentially buy out their opinions on this matter (and I would not count on that being possible or probable even if someone was theoretically capable of doing so).
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED I say, that you would suggest I cannot be bought. :>

...

Hey, so, @Velorien, @eaglejarl, @Paperclipped, what's your price? EJ knows I'm good for the money.
What exactly are you looking for? Being honest, the price is likely out of the market but I'm at least curious to know what I'm being maybe bribed to do.

This makes little sense in ninja wars. If a decently competent chūnin manages to scratch a jōnin before dying, then said jōnin being out of commission for several weeks might win your Village the war. Poisoning your weapons is a preparation action that in no way makes you less effective than if you didn't (except for friendly fire situations).
Consider that no real life culture has made a habit of poisoning its military equipment. It's been used as a targeted assassination tool but not a standard component of doctrine.

Poison has multiple downsides that we've addressed. Among other things:
  • Most or all ninja are immune to most poisons
  • Some of the poisons that still work are hard to source
  • Poison does not remain fresh indefinitely. You need to keep applying and removing and reapplying it
  • There is a risk of friendly fire. It's far more likely that a poison user will accidentally kill themself or a teammate than an enemy ninja
  • Etc
The QMs find these arguments persuasive and have decided that poison isn't a common thing in the setting. If you do not find these things persuasive...well, I know how frustrating that can be and I'm sorry you're having to live with it, but I'm afraid you'll have to live with it. Poison is not a common thing in the setting. We have no interest in making it a common thing.

The above is QM consensus. The following are my personal thoughts and haven't been discussed/decided upon by the QMs in general.

There's a few places you, Rafin, can go from here; here's a partial list of options and what I suspect the results would be if you managed to convince the hivemind to go that route:

Option #1: Have Hazō start a major campaign to change Leaf's tactical doctrine so that the Academy starts teaching everyone to use poison and all active-duty ninja start poisoning their weapons.

Almost certainly, Hazō will be laughed out of the room.

Option #2: Have Hazō require that all Gōketsu ninja start poisoning their weapons.

Poison use is not practical for most Gōketsu ninja. Noburi fights with a Water Whip that can't practically be poisoned for hopefully obvious reasons. Mari fights with taijutsu or ninjutsu. Kagome fights with explosives. Etc The few Gōketsu ninja who do actually use weapons that could potentially be poisoned will push back if you suggest this. If you order it then they will be resentful that you are forcing them to stop training useful skills and instead waste time studying impractical poisons and the relevant skills. They can be made to do it if you ride herd on them tightly enough but they'll resent you for it and will "forget" to apply it much of the time, or will "accidentally" confuse the poisons with other compounds that look similar but didn't risk killing you if you accidentally nick yourself.

Option #3: You can have Hazō start using poison.

We will grumpily construct a Poison Use skill and related stunts that you're welcome to sink XP into. We'll also ask you how you intend to deliver it:

Option #3a: Hazō starts poisoning his pangolin gauntlets.

We've been assuming that Hazō carries the gauntlets loose on his belt, hence why they can be equipped as a Supplemental action. (Which is actually much faster than should be possible, but we were trying to be generous.) You'll need to start carrying the gauntlets in a case so that the poison doesn't rub off, dry out, or nick you in the normal course of things. This will make them unusable in combat unless you have prep time.

Option #3b: Hazō stops fighting with taijutsu and respecs into Melee Weapons or Thrown Weapons.

Feel free, although it's a lot of XP on top of the Poison Use skills and stunts. Not that it matters since Hazō never fights anyway.


I hope this has helped address your concerns.

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Mist and Lwaf would have different poisons, right? Mist probably has aquatic-sourced poisons, and Leaf probably has plant-sourced ones.
@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @Paperclipped

Do we need to take action for Hazou to build up an immunity to Leaf-based poisons, or whatever might not have been covered by the Mist academy that is covered by the Leaf academy?

There's a lot of overlap, since each village will naturally try to include poisons known to be easily accessible to other villages. You should be fine unless prevalent military doctrine changes and lots of people start trying to poison you (and also a lot of the conditioning takes place over a long period of time during your malleable youth, so there's a limit to what you can do now).
 
I thought Kunai could be poisoned and also could be used with either MW or TJ (as a held knife), so it seems like if you were intending to poison someone you would be doing that (assuming you don't have some other delivery mechanism) and that this would only be your strategy when poisoning someone is your specific objective, rather than your primary mode of combat. It would also be quite useful for the Trapmaking skill.... hmm, wonder if the Arachnids have any poison to share with Kagome

I feel it's also worth mentioning we know Jiraiya, who was extremely tough, got poisoned (at least) once though I think it was through ingestion, and it took him out of commission for at least a week. Toads had to keep an eye out while he was shitting blood and whatnot. And then there was the whole Chiyo/Tsunade poison/antidote arms race, though they're the highest tier of makers.
 
I thought Kunai could be poisoned and also could be used with either MW or TJ (as a held knife), so it seems like if you were intending to poison someone you would be doing that (assuming you don't have some other delivery mechanism) and that this would only be your strategy when poisoning someone is your specific objective, rather than your primary mode of combat. It would also be quite useful for the Trapmaking skill.... hmm, wonder if the Arachnids have any poison to share with Kagome
In the words of every GM ever, you can certainly try.

I feel it's also worth mentioning we know Jiraiya, who was extremely tough, got poisoned (at least) once though I think it was through ingestion, and it took him out of commission for at least a week. Toads had to keep an eye out while he was shitting blood and whatnot. And then there was the whole Chiyo/Tsunade poison/antidote arms race, though they're the highest tier of makers.
Normal ninja don't use poison. They also don't come back from the dead, fire terraforming-scale chakra bombs from their mouth, or break swords with their skin. S-rankers belong to their own domain. If we say "It's TN 100 to make a poison you can reliably use in combat, and also TN 60 each day to make sure it's ready for use and you don't hurt yourself with it", there may be people who don't care because they can hit those TN, but it wouldn't be wise to base your expectations on them.
 
In the civil war it was very common to dip bullets in sewage for exactly this reason. It's just illegal now.
Good to know, though you can see where this would be less viable when instead of bullets you have sharp objects you have to regularly handle yourself in and out of combat.

Also, which war? I assume you mean American because you're publicly known to be from the USA, but remember that you're in a global quest and there have been a lot of civil wars since the invention of the gun.
 
Normal ninja don't use poison. They also don't come back from the dead, fire terraforming-scale chakra bombs from their mouth, or break swords with their skin. S-rankers belong to their own domain. If we say "It's TN 100 to make a poison you can reliably use in combat, and also TN 60 each day to make sure it's ready for use and you don't hurt yourself with it", there may be people who don't care because they can hit those TN, but it wouldn't be wise to base your expectations on them.
This doesn't match with how it's been portrayed all across the story. It seems like something ninja are very much expecting to deal with on a semi regular basis:

Rules Doc said:
Poison on the Wind (Genjutsu)

Illusion type. Control your target's sense of smell to make them smell a popular brand of poison gas. Roll (Genjutsu Skill * 1), rounded up for dice.
"What's in it?" Kagome demanded. "Did you make it? How do I know it's safe? The villagers hate me, they might want to poison me.
Ishihara's traps were a force to be reckoned with. In the short setup time she'd been allowed, she'd peppered the training course with tripwires, kunai launchers, poison gas dispensers, and more lethal mechanisms than Noburi could so much as name.
Any medicine can become deadly poison in hands that have forgotten its proper use.
[In Isan, almost entirely ninja]
There is at least one well, possibly more. There is also a river nearby, though it is not in use as a water source. You think Noburi's medical skills are enough to come up with a suitable poison, but you'd need the right raw materials, and a significant quantity of them.
The arrow trap she did not find, nor did she dodge it. Fortunately it was only a graze; she cleaned it as thoroughly as she could, taking care to wash it thoroughly in order to remove whatever the poison was, bound it up, and kept going.
Takahashi-sensei began by washing the tea bowls with hot water from the kettle, afterwards emptying the water into a pot intended for that purpose. He did not turn the cups towards his guests as he dried them. There is trust and respect between us; you do not need to examine the cup for residue or poison.
"It's not no reason, Keiko," Inoue-sensei said firmly. "It's to keep you safe. That is exactly what summons are for, is to aid and protect their summoners. Pandaa is a great kid, but I would much rather that he experience some temporary discomfort than that you die from a poison needle."

"Yes, sensei," Keiko said, abashed.

"Do you think it likely that there will be poison needle traps, sensei?" Akane asked.
The girl sat, staring blankly at the food, until Kagome started to fidget. "It's good," he said nervously. "I promise. No poison or anything. I can try it if you want. Or we can switch. Whatever you like. Would you like something else? I've got fish, or kinda-chicken, or—"
Moving with exquisite care, Shinji disarmed the poison needle trap on the second floor window before teasing open the lock. He pushed the window open slowly before climbing through with all the stealth garnered from over a decade as a field ninja.
[Sarcasm] I'm certain that a ninja clan who runs a flower shop and is expert in plants would know nothing about poisons, antidotes, or how to develop immunities.
"Next up is Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Purifier. Usamatsu was an ass, and he didn't realise until the end of his days that everyone else treated the name as a joke, but when it came to sealing, he really knew his stuff. One end of the seal sucks gas into a storage space in sharp bursts. All gas. In parallel, the other end pumps out air. Just air, no matter what else it sucked in. So if there was poison gas in it, that stays in the storage space forever. Except if the seal is destroyed and all that concentrated poison rushes out at once, which is how Usamatsu got himself killed."

"Can't you just jump out of the poison gas cloud?" Hazō asked.

"Sure you can. And gas users know that. So they'll pin you down first. Or catch you in an enclosed space. Or use gas that instantly sticks to your skin, or melts it. Or whatever. Always assume that the enemy is as smart as you are, kid.
Wakahisa shrugged. "No idea, honestly. I've mostly focused on human medicine, primarily trauma, and I don't know much about poison. Still, it sounds pretty great and I'd like to get it if we could. I know the theory on how to produce antivenoms, although I've never actually done it. Alternatively, we could put it in a misterator and use it for a poison fog attack. Could be useful."

My post is getting absolutely gargantuan at this point so I'm calling it here but this was not even a quarter of all the times it's been mentioned in the story, as something to expect across all ranks of ninja. It REALLY does not seem like a thing "only S Rankers use" at all, or even something only S Rankers make, while still being effective. Plus, there's a ton of beasts described as various levels of poisonous/venomous so it seems entirely plausible people just collect it from them.
 
This doesn't match with how it's been portrayed all across the story. It seems like something ninja are very much expecting to deal with on a semi regular basis:
I would personally discount what Kagome says as evidence given his rampant paranoia, but a lot of the rest can be explained with the difference between combat and noncombat timeframes imo.
 
  • Poison does not remain fresh indefinitely. You need to keep applying and removing and reapplying it
  • There is a risk of friendly fire. It's far more likely that a poison user will accidentally kill themself or a teammate than an enemy ninja
I would say that storage scrolls eliminate most of this issue.

You store the poisoned kunai immediately after applying the poison. So it never needs to be reapplied.

Carrying it around in a storage scroll eliminates the possibility of poisoning yourself.

It's not immediately accessible for combat, but if you just want to get one hit off as a surprise it's usable.
 
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