Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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We have ten Genin Attempts and five genin seals we want to learn. The first one, Dampeners, is amazing and is something we want ASAP, but the other four genin seals are:
I'm actually not sure if we want to pursue Cold Seals given the negotiations happening. Either way, none of these are urgent and spending nine attempts instead of ten on them is a fair trade for assessing the Suction Seal, which could be really useful for the Hospital and for the Tenketsu surgery. If the seal is genin, we should research it ASAP, so running the check now instead of next plan would be ideal.
Hmmmmm, fair, I'm taking out Cold Seals, and bumping this up to just below Sub seals in importance, If we finish Sub seals and have time, we'll do it. @FaintlySorcerous I recommend you do the same
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I would very much enjoy writing this, especially if you use a SINS-[big number] instead of something wussy like a SINS-2.
New rule: at the top of any plan post, above the title and therefore not part of the wordcount, you need to spell out all new initialisms. You can skip things that have been in use for years (e.g. SINS, FSB, ARS), but I don't want to have to puzzle out what the hell 'EP' stands for.
As someone who was about to ask what the heck SINS is/are, I appreciate this.
....What are SINS?
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Stacked Implosion Nuke Stacks.
Kagome's implosion bombs work by sealing all the air in a large radius, creating a vacuum. Air rushes in, destroys the seal, the stored air is released into a slightly smaller volume than it originally occupied, it blasts outwards and causes lots of damage.
If you take an implosion seal and put it in a protective box, it will not be destroyed by the inrushing air. You can prep as many implosion bombs as you like using this method, then put them in a big stack and blow them up, activating all of them at the same time.
EDIT: For more detail, check the bottom of Chapter 286, continuing into Chapter 287.
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Stacked Implosion Nuke Seals
Take an Implosion seal, activate it so it stores the air, but protect it from the inrushing air with a 5SB, and you have a storage seal full of air.
Then do that 12 times and set them all off at once with an explosive. That's a SIN-12
They cause sealing failures sometimes because the air doesn't have enough space to emerge. The chance seems to scale with the number of SIN. 12 caused one, 6 caused one. We think there's no lower limit that's safe, even 2 will cause a sealing failure with low probability.
We haven't tested this exhaustively because Hazou living is high priority for us
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Stacked Implosion Nukes. They use Kagomes Implosion seal as described below. The way they work is you slow down the incoming air. You then stack multiple of them to generate massive implosions. They have a tendency to cause seal failures
Oh I didn't realize the name was that dumb. RIP Hazou's creativity.
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Suggested Wording:
- Non-SSA SC
- Full Prep:
- 4FSoP
- No Prep:
- Dampeners (use subsequently)
- Substitution
- Difficulty Check:
- Suction
- No Prep:
- Suction (if genin)
- Electrocution
- Twin Repulsion
- Abort difficult seals. Don't risk failure.
- Full Prep:
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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If this is going to be a thing, threadmark pls.
This also seems a little abusable: who decides what is/isn't a fair initialism? I think that for anything nonstandard, you should define it in the plan, after the first usage of the full term. If you don't use the word enough for this to be a savings in wordcount, then you shouldn't be using an initialism.
That's my opinion, but it's also what I do and have done to reasonable success previously. Sometimes I need to find an extra word or three, but that's generally doable and doesn't create more work for the QMs (generally).
I don't. Ritsuo won't give it to us.
The word 'could' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Keeping surgery sites clear of obstruction is 101 stuff. There's almost certainly a solution, and it's almost certainly a medical jutsu which doesn't require putting a piece of paper (e.g., an obstruction) near the wound site.
Why is it that you think it's likely that the Suction seal would be useful, and why do you want to research it before asking Noburi about it?
For the reasons mentioned above I'm disinclined to go for suction seals unless there's a non-medical use that stands out. As soon as we've validated that they're useful, I'm all for it, but I'd expect a jutsu to exist and be more useful.
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I believe the intention is to stick in a box with a tube attached. Tube will be doing the sucking.
EDIT: also I want to point out that they weren't invented IRL until the 19th century. This might be entirely unknown to MfD
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The delay is sub-second and Hazō does not have time devices sufficiently accurate to consistently measure such periods.
That said, chakra seems to dislike being perfectly consistent.
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What would the tube be made of which renders it flexible enough to be useful while proving resistant to disease spirits?
Adding a physical object to a surgery site is not something done lightly: it inhibits your mobility or requires a larger incision - or both. Neither of those is a trivial trade-off, especially for what would probably need to be a metal straw maneuvered around by a nurse, who would likely be in the way.
If Noburi indicates that they use syringes for this purpose (a big one could be operated pretty easily and would have enough capacity to be useful, and I think Orochimaru has been seen with syringes?) then a seal would probably be better, but I'm not sold otherwise.
Which isn't to say that I don't think it would be useful! I just don't think that the odds are good that it'll be useful enough to be worth our time right now.
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Indeed, but that's a medical jutsu someone would have to be constantly casting. This lets them focus on other things and would also be useable by civilian doctors if someone turns it on before surgery. Also, it's not a tag, it's a tube that's sucking up the stuff.
I'm fine with asking Noburi about it, I just don't want to delay it by a full eleven days.
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[X] Action Plan: Reaching Out
One way to accomplish those things is what I will henceforth call "Open Necromancy", where we open the rift and keep it open for the entire duration of the expedition. Our explorer comes back to the rift site whenever they want to and comes out with whoever they found.
Another way to accomplish those things is "Stealth Necromancy", where we open the rift, send our explorer in, close the rift again, and then re-open it later for the explorer to leave.
Open Necromancy is obviously much easier to maintain. You just need two ninja stationed at the rift, pushing it back open every day or so with Rift Seal 3. It's trivially easy to keep the rift open as long as we need it to, but crucially it's an operation that we can't hide or disguise: Akatsuki will see us, and take action, unless we've moved the rift somewhere else.
Stealth Necromancy is more likely to avoid Akatsuki's attention, since the rift is only open for minutes at a time and everyone involved leaves the site soon after. Stealth Necromancy, if successful, could allow us to complete a full expedition without provoking their wrath, even without having to move the rift to a new location.
As for Naruto? Well, we definitely need him to open the rift the first time, but with the right preparations we don't need his help for the second one. Even after a long expedition, our explorer and home team can plausibly re-open the rift by using Rift Seal 3 from both sides. Timing is a problem that can be solved. This is a valuable option to us, because it means we can complete our first expedition without Naruto knowing who we rezzed, or even that this is the afterlife in the first place.
Once Naruto knows that necromancy is real, he'll tell Asuma and Asuma will secure the site and use necromancy to advance Leaf interests. This isn't the worst thing in the world, but it takes control out of our hands. Asuma may authorize an expedition to find Jiraiya, but would he put the same effort towards finding Akane? It may also put us in a worse situation regarding the Akatsuki's own necromancy project, because certain options like "rez Pein with a life debt" will never get authorized since they act against Leaf's interests even if they could be good for the world at large.
So it's not necessary, but it makes our expected outcome better if we can keep Naruto from being there when we exit the rift. But Naruto is his own agent and can counterplay us if he thinks there's reason to be suspicious. If Naruto believes that the only way to open the rift is through him, then he will believe that "the home team hasn't asked Naruto to go back and re-open the rift" is evidence for "the rift is not open yet" and he won't be able to be there at the critical moment. On the other hand, if he knows that other methods exist, the odds that the Goketsu might try to circumvent him rises and he is more likely to poke into our business at the wrong time. Remember that he knows Hazou has treasonous behaviours: not trusting us to play by the book would be quite valid.
Laying that all out on the table it looks like this:
This is fair, but it's still best to stack the odds in our favour. The less likely it is that Naruto knows our options, the more likely our options have of succeeding.
Necromancy requires, at the very minimum, that the rift is open when we enter and that the rift is open when we exit. Anything else is mutable.
One way to accomplish those things is what I will henceforth call "Open Necromancy", where we open the rift and keep it open for the entire duration of the expedition. Our explorer comes back to the rift site whenever they want to and comes out with whoever they found.
Another way to accomplish those things is "Stealth Necromancy", where we open the rift, send our explorer in, close the rift again, and then re-open it later for the explorer to leave.
Open Necromancy is obviously much easier to maintain. You just need two ninja stationed at the rift, pushing it back open every day or so with Rift Seal 3. It's trivially easy to keep the rift open as long as we need it to, but crucially it's an operation that we can't hide or disguise: Akatsuki will see us, and take action, unless we've moved the rift somewhere else.
Stealth Necromancy is more likely to avoid Akatsuki's attention, since the rift is only open for minutes at a time and everyone involved leaves the site soon after. Stealth Necromancy, if successful, could allow us to complete a full expedition without provoking their wrath, even without having to move the rift to a new location.
As for Naruto? Well, we definitely need him to open the rift the first time, but with the right preparations we don't need his help for the second one. Even after a long expedition, our explorer and home team can plausibly re-open the rift by using Rift Seal 3 from both sides. Timing is a problem that can be solved. This is a valuable option to us, because it means we can complete our first expedition without Naruto knowing who we rezzed, or even that this is the afterlife in the first place.
Once Naruto knows that necromancy is real, he'll tell Asuma and Asuma will secure the site and use necromancy to advance Leaf interests. This isn't the worst thing in the world, but it takes control out of our hands. Asuma may authorize an expedition to find Jiraiya, but would he put the same effort towards finding Akane? It may also put us in a worse situation regarding the Akatsuki's own necromancy project, because certain options like "rez Pein with a life debt" will never get authorized since they act against Leaf's interests even if they could be good for the world at large.
So it's not necessary, but it makes our expected outcome better if we can keep Naruto from being there when we exit the rift. But Naruto is his own agent and can counterplay us if he thinks there's reason to be suspicious. If Naruto believes that the only way to open the rift is through him, then he will believe that "the home team hasn't asked Naruto to go back and re-open the rift" is evidence for "the rift is not open yet" and he won't be able to be there at the critical moment. On the other hand, if he knows that other methods exist, the odds that the Goketsu might try to circumvent him rises and he is more likely to poke into our business at the wrong time. Remember that he knows Hazou has treasonous behaviours: not trusting us to play by the book would be quite valid.
Laying that all out on the table it looks like this:
- Our best outcome is if neither Akatsuki nor Leaf knows that we have resurrected people.
- Akatsuki can (probably) be fooled if we use stealth necromancy, closing the rift while the expedition progresses and re-opening it at the end to let people out.
- The expected way this would be accomplished is by involving Naruto at both ends of the expedition. Consequently, Naruto will see for himself whether resurrection is real, and thus Leaf will know as soon as we know.
- This can be avoided by circumventing Naruto for the second opening, which is within our means to do.
- However, if Naruto grows suspicious of us then we cannot properly circumvent him.
- Therefore, we need to make sure Naruto believes we are not going to circumvent him when it comes time to re-open the rift.
- The best way to do this is to make him believe we can't circumvent him in the first place.
Reeds? Canvas?
In all seriousness, waxed fabric will most likely be sufficient.
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My bad, definitely a fair request. EP are Earth Pillars, one the genin seals Jirayia left behind with their notes. We got the research notes for it back in that large information threadmark.
Sorry, does this mean you cannot chain explosives on the end of a MARS chain?
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This. There's no reason to think we know anything about the medical field and walking into without consulting experts feels like we will get a Hazou is dumb segment
How are we going to convince him to open the Rift in the first place without telling him what it's for? It's a dangerous surgery. He's not going to do it just cuz' Hazou askes him. He doesn't like Hazou.
This is a solvable problem. Trade Asuma the secret of opening the Rift for his full assistance rezzing Akane (and Mio's sister). I am also completely against rezzing Pain. That's just not an option IMO. I agree this does lock us out of that.
So I think just trading Asuma for his help with Akane is the best solution. It's not like he's against it.
I think that there isn't much chance of convincing Naruto to go along if we haven't told Asuma first. In fact, I expect him to ask Hazou straight away given Hazou's track record. So unless we lie to him about it I don't see this working. And if we do lie we've completely fucked ourselves long-term.
I just don't see Naruto agreeing to even open the Rift unless Asuma has okayed it. If you have a compelling reason why he wouldn't check with Asuma first, I'm all ears.
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- Pacific standard
Wait what's ARS again? Do you mean LBF?
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Remind me: Why are we doing this?
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- USA
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If it becomes necessary, I will. For now, take it as an expression of frustration on my part.
This falls into the category of "don't be a jerk", and also "shenanigans beget shenanigans", and also "making the QM annoyed is never a good idea". Or, more succinctly, "FAAFO." ;>
