I don't think you should underrate the value of making tangible progress, for the sake of the team's morale, and for demonstrating to others that Hazō's ideas have merit and can work. It's going to be a lot easier to achieve our goals as a broadly-respected and influential S-ranker in a multipolar world than as a god-king with absolute power. (Although I definitely do want the absolute power.)And this shit right here is why I hate the traditional uplift plan of raise standard of living and build infrastructure. It's just not going to matter. We will either become immortal god-kings or the setting will be devoured by the c'tuhlean we unleashed upon the world
MedNin -> 10 (55 XP)
Empathy -> 20 (155 XP)
Presence -> 30 (255 XP)
Alertness -> 50 (714 XP)
I am so down. BRI 10, then empathy 20, then presence 30, then alertness 40.How would you feel about the following build path instead?
Really, the only differences are in the first two steps. This would raise B.R.I., which is a halfcost powerful AOE jutsu that would help Hazou in combat. It also takes advantage of FiF to raise Empathy to 28, giving Hazou an effective Empathy level 40, which is a solid social stat.
- Bleeding River Impalement 1 -> 10 (-27xp)
- Empathy 10 -> 28 (eff 40) (-351xp)
- Presence 20 -> 30 (-225xp)
- Alertness 33 -> 50 (-714xp)
I would still just do empathy to 20 for now. Hazou can already level rapport to 28, I would just like alertness 50 sooner cuz even 39 is not gonna cut it most of the time. After that maybe it's worth rapport and empathy both to 28How would you feel about the following build path instead?
Really, the only differences are in the first two steps. This would raise B.R.I., which is a halfcost powerful AOE jutsu that would help Hazou in combat. It also takes advantage of FiF to raise Empathy to 28, giving Hazou an effective Empathy level 40, which is a solid social stat.
- Bleeding River Impalement 1 -> 10 (-27xp)
- Empathy 10 -> 28 (eff 40) (-351xp)
- Presence 20 -> 30 (-225xp)
- Alertness 33 -> 50 (-714xp)
I really just want to rush to alertness 40. That AB buff is going to make group combats go SO MUCH BETTERI would still just do empathy to 20 for now. Hazou can already level rapport to 28, I would just like alertness 50 sooner cuz even 39 is not gonna cut it most of the time. After that maybe it's worth rapport and empathy both to 28
I agree, though at least following my build plan, nothing stops us from going Alertness 40 to Alertness 50I really just want to rush to alertness 40. That AB buff is going to make group combats go SO MUCH BETTER
Yes yes yes I love the idea of using crafting skills for environmental bonuses. Why else would it be a power move to invite someone to your office? You have the *perfect* props.True... and we do have a Calligraphy stat that we only use for Sealing. Maybe we could make some nice Calligraphy art to hang in Hazō's office that would allow him to tag his Calligraphy AB for a Rapport roll?
Fluff-wise, it'd be a bit of art that serves as a conversation starter.
Though, if we're able to do that with Calligraphy, I wonder if we'd be able to do that with Earthshaping?
@PaperclippedTrue... and we do have a Calligraphy stat that we only use for Sealing. Maybe we could make some nice Calligraphy art to hang in Hazō's office that would allow him to tag his Calligraphy AB for a Rapport roll?
Fluff-wise, it'd be a bit of art that serves as a conversation starter.
Though, if we're able to do that with Calligraphy, I wonder if we'd be able to do that with Earthshaping?
This is interesting, thank you for posting!Saw some theorizing on Discord about Forbidden Lore. Below is a brain-dump of my current thoughts on the subject, somewhat haphazard.
Is the OPSEC plan going to be implemented? Not sure what the vote threshold for that is.Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jun 28, 2023 at 1:53 PM, finished with 280 posts and 26 votes.
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[x] (Retroactive Declare: Goketsu Clan Secrets): Full Disclosure, Minus the Seals
[x] Action Plan: Due Diligence
[x] Action Plan: Due Diligence w/o Shikamaru
[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
[x] Action Plan: Due Diligence w/o Shikamaru BUT w/ Ami
[x] Training Plan (Kei): Deceit to 20
[X] Action Plan: Resume the Conversation (and Reputation Patching)
[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure, but faflec is weird
[X] Action Plan: Debriefing and Questions
[X] Introduce Hidan to Yuno and Hanabi
[X] Action Plan: Maybe this time
[X] Sit on the roof come nightfall and ponder the events of the day while staring at the moon
[x] Publicly denounce Jashinism before people think we've gone mad. Wait until your Consequences expire (spend time hanging with Kei in the meantime), and then go do some C-rank bandit clearing missions (personally arranged with Asuma) with Noburi, Kei, and Snowflake.
[X] Action Plan: what are we locked for again? Cover all bases by punching a seal
[X] Action Plan: what are we locked for again? Cover all bases by sealing a punch
[x] Action Plan: Due Diligence w/o Shikamaru BUT w/ Ami AND Kagome
Voting is closed.
Training plans with 5 voters generally get implemented, so I think that it passed?Is the OPSEC plan going to be implemented? Not sure what the vote threshold for that is.
Hazō has revealed PEA and Oro's ninjutsu scrolls. Kagome has quickly claimed a set of Orochimaru's notes to start studying. Everyone is confused about why Hazō has a page from Orochimaru's recipe book. Seals have been distributed. Mari claims jōnin privileges on her own jutsu. Everyone else will prepare scrolls of their techniques to contribute (with various levels of enthusiasm/resentment).[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
- All Pangolin jutsu are available to all
- Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls are available to all
- Orochimaru's notes and egg custard are available to all
- Light relay is available to all
- Chakdar v1/v2 is available to all
- Require that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault
- Encourage clan members to check in if they have a particular functionality they're looking for in a jutsu
- Everything else remains the same
Does Mari, in her role as the Clan's head social spec, think that we have to worry about any building resentment that this might cause? Or will access to the higher tiers of jutsu and lootboxes soothe any feathers that might have been ruffled?Everyone else will prepare scrolls of their techniques to contribute (with various levels of enthusiasm/resentment).
Did…did Kagome just do a Deceit?Kagome being Kagome, everyone has been thoroughly informed that he has definitely NOT been working on a top secret project related to the Fourth Hokage, the Fox, and definitely super-duper not at all related to the Tailed Beast Breeding Program, which is DEFINITELY FAKE and NOT REAL.
In the effort of full transparency, if this is to mean "Orochimaru's personal affairs [as is represented in the Lootboxes]," then Vel said that it was impossible to remove those from the lootboxes, because certain revelations were available only in those margin notes. So, if that's what it's referring to, then perhaps it would be better to say "Hazō, Noburi, and Kagome... for now."
- Orochimaru's personal affairs, excluding the egg custard
- Hazō
- Orochimaru's egg custard
- Everyone
13500 XP: Sealing. Hazō is a jōnin or S-rank sealmaster who has been working only on easy seals, so he starts off slightly stagnant.
Yes, she expects substantial resentment from Jin and Mio, who are still KEI supporters at heart. No one can use PEA or most of Orochimaru's ninjutsu, except Jin who will almost certainly appreciate Surging Seas. The lootboxes are only relevant to the sealmasters.Does Mari, in her role as the Clan's head social spec, think that we have to worry about any building resentment that this might cause? Or will access to the higher tiers of jutsu and lootboxes soothe any feathers that might have been ruffled?
If you think anyone has been fooled into thinking that Leaf isn't still running their Tailed Beast Breeding Program, that's on you.
- Will our current economic endeavours (telescopes with the Aburame, selling gems to other nations with the help of the Hyuuga) proceed in the background without our including references to them in plans, or, given that they require Hazo's time and decent amounts of chakra, do we need to write them into plans?
- In a previous plan (I can find it) we asked Mari if working with the Hyuuga was going to have political implications, e.g. the Minami being upset that we're working with their sworn enemies. Did she have anything to say?
For the first question:In regards to sealing unlocks is a seals challenge graded on it's base difficulty or it's difficulty after apply veterancy bonuses to it? Also can a seal have a very high TN but a low complexity and still be considered difficult enough to let us reverse stagnancy?
For the latter, yes -- though it depends on just how low the complexity is. A single roll may be insufficient.We don't want to get too deep in the weeds here. Seal research mechanics are hidden, and if you want to remove stagnancy, you should focus on challenging projects temporarily. After an infusion roll, Hazō will be able to give an uncertain estimate of whether the seal is hard enough to count or not.
Hmm. May we be allowed to vote in a new policy that specifically exempts KEI techniques? I don't want to piss off the KEI eitherYes, she expects substantial resentment from Jin and Mio, who are still KEI supporters at heart. No one can use PEA or most of Orochimaru's ninjutsu, except Jin who will almost certainly appreciate Surging Seas. The lootboxes are only relevant to the sealmasters.
Welp, there goes the other shoe.Yep, entering into a long-term, highly valuable trade deal with the Hyuuga will basically kill Gouketsu's official relationships with Minami.
Feel free. But new plans don't invalidate winning old ones, so it will prevent future damage rather than changing what's already happened. (Presumably, you could burn the KEI technique scrolls unread.)Hmm. May we be allowed to vote in a new policy that specifically exempts KEI techniques? I don't want to piss off the KEI either