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And this shit right here is why I hate the traditional uplift plan of raise standard of living and build infrastructure. It's just not going to matter. We will either become immortal god-kings or the setting will be devoured by the c'tuhlean we unleashed upon the world
I don't think you should underrate the value of making tangible progress, for the sake of the team's morale, and for demonstrating to others that Hazō's ideas have merit and can work. It's going to be a lot easier to achieve our goals as a broadly-respected and influential S-ranker in a multipolar world than as a god-king with absolute power. (Although I definitely do want the absolute power.)
 
MedNin -> 10 (55 XP)
Empathy -> 20 (155 XP)
Presence -> 30 (255 XP)
Alertness -> 50 (714 XP)

How would you feel about the following build path instead?
  • Bleeding River Impalement 1 -> 10 (-27xp)
  • Empathy 10 -> 28 (eff 40) (-351xp)
  • Presence 20 -> 30 (-225xp)
  • Alertness 33 -> 50 (-714xp)
Really, the only differences are in the first two steps. This would raise B.R.I., which is a halfcost powerful AOE jutsu that would help Hazou in combat. It also takes advantage of FiF to raise Empathy to 28, giving Hazou an effective Empathy level 40, which is a solid social stat.
 
How would you feel about the following build path instead?
  • Bleeding River Impalement 1 -> 10 (-27xp)
  • Empathy 10 -> 28 (eff 40) (-351xp)
  • Presence 20 -> 30 (-225xp)
  • Alertness 33 -> 50 (-714xp)
Really, the only differences are in the first two steps. This would raise B.R.I., which is a halfcost powerful AOE jutsu that would help Hazou in combat. It also takes advantage of FiF to raise Empathy to 28, giving Hazou an effective Empathy level 40, which is a solid social stat.
I am so down. BRI 10, then empathy 20, then presence 30, then alertness 40.

We need more pyramid filler. Time for half cost jutsu?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jun 28, 2023 at 1:53 PM, finished with 280 posts and 26 votes.


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How would you feel about the following build path instead?
  • Bleeding River Impalement 1 -> 10 (-27xp)
  • Empathy 10 -> 28 (eff 40) (-351xp)
  • Presence 20 -> 30 (-225xp)
  • Alertness 33 -> 50 (-714xp)
Really, the only differences are in the first two steps. This would raise B.R.I., which is a halfcost powerful AOE jutsu that would help Hazou in combat. It also takes advantage of FiF to raise Empathy to 28, giving Hazou an effective Empathy level 40, which is a solid social stat.
I would still just do empathy to 20 for now. Hazou can already level rapport to 28, I would just like alertness 50 sooner cuz even 39 is not gonna cut it most of the time. After that maybe it's worth rapport and empathy both to 28
 
I would still just do empathy to 20 for now. Hazou can already level rapport to 28, I would just like alertness 50 sooner cuz even 39 is not gonna cut it most of the time. After that maybe it's worth rapport and empathy both to 28
I really just want to rush to alertness 40. That AB buff is going to make group combats go SO MUCH BETTER
 
Hazou can already level rapport to 28 [...]

True... and we do have a Calligraphy stat that we only use for Sealing. Maybe we could make some nice Calligraphy art to hang in Hazō's office that would allow him to tag his Calligraphy AB for a Rapport roll?

Fluff-wise, it'd be a bit of art that serves as a conversation starter.

Though, if we're able to do that with Calligraphy, I wonder if we'd be able to do that with Earthshaping?
 
True... and we do have a Calligraphy stat that we only use for Sealing. Maybe we could make some nice Calligraphy art to hang in Hazō's office that would allow him to tag his Calligraphy AB for a Rapport roll?

Fluff-wise, it'd be a bit of art that serves as a conversation starter.

Though, if we're able to do that with Calligraphy, I wonder if we'd be able to do that with Earthshaping?
Yes yes yes I love the idea of using crafting skills for environmental bonuses. Why else would it be a power move to invite someone to your office? You have the *perfect* props.

Maybe props that allows you to access aspects normally not relevant to the scene?
 
True... and we do have a Calligraphy stat that we only use for Sealing. Maybe we could make some nice Calligraphy art to hang in Hazō's office that would allow him to tag his Calligraphy AB for a Rapport roll?

Fluff-wise, it'd be a bit of art that serves as a conversation starter.

Though, if we're able to do that with Calligraphy, I wonder if we'd be able to do that with Earthshaping?
@Paperclipped

PONWOG, is something that Hazou would be able to do on his own, or would he have to buy a requisite Stunt?
 
Saw some theorizing on Discord about Forbidden Lore. Below is a brain-dump of my current thoughts on the subject, somewhat haphazard.
This is interesting, thank you for posting!

I wanted to do a really in depth effortpost about all of this at some point but I left my Shadow Clone technique on another path. One of these days :p
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jun 28, 2023 at 1:53 PM, finished with 280 posts and 26 votes.


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Is the OPSEC plan going to be implemented? Not sure what the vote threshold for that is.
 
[X] [OPSEC] Some Disclosure
  • All Pangolin jutsu are available to all
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls are available to all
  • Orochimaru's notes and egg custard are available to all
  • Light relay is available to all
  • Chakdar v1/v2 is available to all
  • Require that everyone scribe scrolls of their ninjutsu to keep in the clan's vault
  • Encourage clan members to check in if they have a particular functionality they're looking for in a jutsu
  • Everything else remains the same
Hazō has revealed PEA and Oro's ninjutsu scrolls. Kagome has quickly claimed a set of Orochimaru's notes to start studying. Everyone is confused about why Hazō has a page from Orochimaru's recipe book. Seals have been distributed. Mari claims jōnin privileges on her own jutsu. Everyone else will prepare scrolls of their techniques to contribute (with various levels of enthusiasm/resentment).
 
Gōketsu OPSEC Policy

Gōketsu OPSEC Policy

This post summarizes the rules that Hazō will use to determine who is allowed to use which seals or learn which ninjutsu.

"Inner circle" here means Team Uplift + Yuno.

Default Policy

For all new acquisitions, unless otherwise stated, Hazō will keep it a secret to only himself + the person who acquired the new secret. For example, Rapid Rejuvenation is currently a secret between Hazō and Noburi.

Ninjutsu:

This list includes who knows about the listed ninjutsu. The list of who actually can cast the ninjutsu is smaller in almost every case.
  • All Pangolin ninjutsu (Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu (not a clan secret), Ghost Scales, Pantokrator's Hammer, Pangolin Flash, Exploring Tongue, Pangolin Earth Armor)
    • Everyone
  • Orochimaru's ninjutsu scrolls, including Rapid Rejuvenation
    • Everyone
Clan members must share their ninjutsu into the clan vault (and Sage praise the clan secrets laws that make having such a vault be a not terrible idea). Exact ninjutsu collected in this manner are TBD.

Seals

  • Basic seals (explosive, storage, alarm)
    • Everyone
  • Goo Bomb, Air Dome, Earth Dome, Jiraiya's Awesome Daybright Lantern, Macerators v1, Banshees, Banshee Slayers, Tunneler's Friends, Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Preservers, Lesser Barrier Formation, Five Seal Barrier, skywalkers (not clan secrets)
    • Everyone
  • Rocket Boots, Force Walls, Implosion seals, directional explosives, Poor Man's Yellow Flash (time-delayed storage seal), Flashbangs, Macerators v2/3, Chakdar v1/2, Light Relay (all clan secrets)
    • Everyone
  • Banshee Fuckers, ARS/MARS, Chakrascope (all clan secrets)
    • Inner circle
  • Pressure-trigger explosives
    • Hazō + Kagome
  • Jinchūriki seals
    • Hazō + Kagome
      • Kagome being Kagome, everyone has been thoroughly informed that he has definitely NOT been working on a top secret project related to the Fourth Hokage, the Fox, and definitely super-duper not at all related to the Tailed Beast Breeding Program, which is DEFINITELY FAKE and NOT REAL.
MARS is the only seal which has a strict top-secret order (i.e. never leave survivors).

Bloodline Details

  • General outline (IN reproduces movements; VD drains + redistributes chakra through water)
    • Everyone
  • Full details (IN copies seals; VD can drain through mist)
    • Inner circle

Misc.

  • WHOOSH
    • Hazō, Mari, Noburi (+Kei)
  • Earthshaping's various abilities & Hazō's ambitions for 3D sealing
    • Inner circle (+Asuma)
  • Necromancy
    • Inner circle (+Shikamaru, Ami, an unknown number of other people that have been within earshot of Kagome)
    • Ritual to contact Jiraiya
      • Hazō, Mari, Noburi (+Naruto, Kei, Ino?)
  • Hazō's Jashinism
    • Hazō (+Kei/Shikamaru suspect Jashin may be real but do not know that Hazō is a Jashinist)
  • Hazō's SSA
    • Hazō
  • Orochimaru's XP lootboxes
    • Everyone (there is only one copy so Hazō keeps them and lends them out)
  • Orochimaru's personal affairs, excluding the egg custard
    • Hazō
  • Orochimaru's egg custard
    • Everyone

Let us know if we missed anything. Any further changes to OPSEC policy need to happen in plans.
 
Everyone else will prepare scrolls of their techniques to contribute (with various levels of enthusiasm/resentment).
Does Mari, in her role as the Clan's head social spec, think that we have to worry about any building resentment that this might cause? Or will access to the higher tiers of jutsu and lootboxes soothe any feathers that might have been ruffled?
 
@Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
  1. Will our current economic endeavours (telescopes with the Aburame, selling gems to other nations with the help of the Hyuuga) proceed in the background without our including references to them in plans, or, given that they require Hazo's time and decent amounts of chakra, do we need to write them into plans?
  2. In a previous plan (I can find it) we asked Mari if working with the Hyuuga was going to have political implications, e.g. the Minami being upset that we're working with their sworn enemies. Did she have anything to say?
 
  • Orochimaru's personal affairs, excluding the egg custard
    • Hazō
  • Orochimaru's egg custard
    • Everyone
In the effort of full transparency, if this is to mean "Orochimaru's personal affairs [as is represented in the Lootboxes]," then Vel said that it was impossible to remove those from the lootboxes, because certain revelations were available only in those margin notes. So, if that's what it's referring to, then perhaps it would be better to say "Hazō, Noburi, and Kagome... for now."

After all, Noburi and Hazou have both read some amount of those notes, and now Kagome has claimed them for himself (as he should).
 
13500 XP: Sealing. Hazō is a jōnin or S-rank sealmaster who has been working only on easy seals, so he starts off slightly stagnant.

@Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
In regards to sealing unlocks is a seals challenge graded on it's base difficulty or it's difficulty after apply veterancy bonuses to it? Also can a seal have a very high TN but a low complexity and still be considered difficult enough to let us reverse stagnancy?
 
Does Mari, in her role as the Clan's head social spec, think that we have to worry about any building resentment that this might cause? Or will access to the higher tiers of jutsu and lootboxes soothe any feathers that might have been ruffled?
Yes, she expects substantial resentment from Jin and Mio, who are still KEI supporters at heart. No one can use PEA or most of Orochimaru's ninjutsu, except Jin who will almost certainly appreciate Surging Seas. The lootboxes are only relevant to the sealmasters.

Did…did Kagome just do a Deceit?
If you think anyone has been fooled into thinking that Leaf isn't still running their Tailed Beast Breeding Program, that's on you.

  1. Will our current economic endeavours (telescopes with the Aburame, selling gems to other nations with the help of the Hyuuga) proceed in the background without our including references to them in plans, or, given that they require Hazo's time and decent amounts of chakra, do we need to write them into plans?
  2. In a previous plan (I can find it) we asked Mari if working with the Hyuuga was going to have political implications, e.g. the Minami being upset that we're working with their sworn enemies. Did she have anything to say?
  1. We have a post coming soon(tm) to cover this. Basically yes, we'll let you know if there's anything you need to do.
  2. Yep, entering into a long-term, highly valuable trade deal with the Hyuuga will basically kill Gouketsu's official relationships with Minami.

In regards to sealing unlocks is a seals challenge graded on it's base difficulty or it's difficulty after apply veterancy bonuses to it? Also can a seal have a very high TN but a low complexity and still be considered difficult enough to let us reverse stagnancy?
For the first question:
We don't want to get too deep in the weeds here. Seal research mechanics are hidden, and if you want to remove stagnancy, you should focus on challenging projects temporarily. After an infusion roll, Hazō will be able to give an uncertain estimate of whether the seal is hard enough to count or not.
For the latter, yes -- though it depends on just how low the complexity is. A single roll may be insufficient.
 
Yes, she expects substantial resentment from Jin and Mio, who are still KEI supporters at heart. No one can use PEA or most of Orochimaru's ninjutsu, except Jin who will almost certainly appreciate Surging Seas. The lootboxes are only relevant to the sealmasters.
Hmm. May we be allowed to vote in a new policy that specifically exempts KEI techniques? I don't want to piss off the KEI either :V
 
Hmm. May we be allowed to vote in a new policy that specifically exempts KEI techniques? I don't want to piss off the KEI either :V
Feel free. But new plans don't invalidate winning old ones, so it will prevent future damage rather than changing what's already happened. (Presumably, you could burn the KEI technique scrolls unread.)
 
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