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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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ag3112 said:
Do we have a place listing everyone we've encountered's stats? (I found the one for Hazo, Keiko etc) But I couldn't find anything for Mari for example.
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According to Player Knowledge document, fresh genin have Taijutsu, Weapons, Stealth and Awareness 2-4, Transformation, Clone, and Substitution 1-4.
I personally expect seasoned genin have skills around 5.
I think chuunin usually have essential skills at 10, non-essentials around 5.
Jounin, as far as I gathered, have essential skills at about 20, non-essentials around 10-15.
 
Muer'ci said:
Where would you look for such seals? Uzu is gone.
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Canon Naruto had Uchiha supply caches, I'd imagine if we searched the area around former-Uzu that ninjas wouldn't have reason to search naturally, we'd find something. It'd be like what we did in Tea searching for the summoning scroll, only more difficult since we don't have a specific to-from direction to start our search.

Edit: I actually think this might be a good idea: set up a base in -area near Uzu- and probe villagers for history and rumors while helping them, like when we got the Liberator story from that Iron Country village. Repeat while traveling, and spend spare time (between training/research) combing the land for possible caches.
 
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faflec said:
Canon Naruto had Uchiha supply caches, I'd imagine if we searched the area around former-Uzu that ninjas wouldn't have reason to search naturally, we'd find something. It'd be like what we did in Tea searching for the summoning scroll, only more difficult since we don't have a specific to-from direction to start our search.
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That's possible, I guess.

We might not find anything great, but a somewhat decent Uzumaki seal or two would be a nice thing to have.
 
MadScientist said:
I'm sorry you feel that way.

But I feel that things being arbitrarily impossible for no reason other than to satisy your irritation at the only limit to what sealing can do being our skill and the effectiveness of our safety protocols, would poison the quest.
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And I think that nothing being impossible is a pointless power fantasy. Games and stories are made of choices and limitations. I have no interest in reading about saving the world by simply being able to invent any miracle you want.

I find it weird that in a story explicitly set in a rational world where everyone is presumably working in their own self-interest limitations on what is possible would be declared arbitrary. If it were possible and easy, someone would already have done it. It it were possible but hard but also incredibly useful then someone else still would have already done it. I can buy Hazou having talent and insight to come up with a few things that no one else has been able to accomplish, but even guys like Tesla and Edison at most stood on the shoulders of their predecessors and dreamed bigger than the technology of their day allowed them to accomplish.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien Where was Hidden Whirlpools, exactly? All I got is this:
Velorien said:
"OK, basic education time. So there used to be this teeny little country called the Land of Whirlpools on an island down south. It was one of those islands with weird currents that made it a nightmare to sail to if you didn't know the routes, kind of like Rokushima back in Water. And despite being as isolated as it was, Whirlpool had its own ninja village, the Hidden Village of Whirling Tides. Highest concentration of redheads in the world, a paradise ultimately brought low by the jealousy of the boring-haired majority."
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which means the island can be anywhere between Suna and Mist, or beyond.
 
Briefvoice said:
And I think that nothing being impossible is a pointless power fantasy. Games and stories are made of choices and limitations. I have no interest in reading about saving the world by simply being able to invent any miracle you want.

I find it weird that in a story explicitly set in a rational world where everyone is presumably working in their own self-interest limitations on what is possible would be declared arbitrary. If it were possible and easy, someone would already have done it. It it were possible but hard but also incredibly useful then someone else still would have already done it. I can buy Hazou having talent and insight to come up with a few things that no one else has been able to accomplish, but even guys like Tesla and Edison at most stood on the shoulders of their predecessors and dreamed bigger than the technology of their day allowed them to accomplish.
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*rests head in hands*

Are we really still having this argument?

We already went over this weeks ago, and I have no interest in repeating the experience.

If you want to see my reply to your post, just go back and look at what I replied the last time you started bringing all this up, and then move on because I have no desire to continue explaining why I don't hate the idea that our limits are based on the limits of our own skills and the limits of our safety protocols.

I'm sorry you're so upset about this, but prolonging this argument isn't helping anything.
 
ag3112 said:
Do we have a place listing everyone we've encountered's stats? (I found the one for Hazo, Keiko etc) But I couldn't find anything for Mari for example.
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You do not have such a place. However, you also do not have access to anyone's character sheets except the genin's. In fact, you were only originally given access to Keiko, Noburi and Akane's to reduce strain on the QMs from needing to micro-manage their training. You were never meant to have such in-depth control over them.
 
Velorien said:
You were never meant to have such in-depth control over them.
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You weren't...you weren't surprised by what happened when we found something optimizable in our reach, right?

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QMs: Here you are. Feel free to vote on the direction of training Hazou will suggest to the genin.

Hivemind: OOOH! Look at the shiny!

Hazou: Ok, Keiko. That's all for you. Noburi, over the next ten days, I think it would be most effective if you spend 28 minutes each morning after breakfast on increasing chakra control, which will let you partner with Keiko on sparring for the 22 minutes she has assigned. You'll switch between water whip and clones with taijutsu on each new day...

QMs: *collective facepalm*
 
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Sleeps Furiously said:
You weren't...you weren't surprised by what happened when we found something optimizable in our reach, right?

E:

QMs: Here you are. Feel free to vote on the direction of training Hazou will suggest to the genin.

Hivemind: OOOH! Look at the shiny!

Hazou: Ok, Keiko. That's all for you. Noburi, over the next ten days, I think it would be most effective if you spend 28 minutes each morning after breakfast on increasing chakra control, which will let you partner with Keiko on sparring for the 22 minutes she has assigned. You'll switch between water whip and clones with taijutsu on each new day...

QMs: *collective facepalm*
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To be fair, the QMs probably knew us much less well back then.
 
OliWhail said:
Sorry to be pedantic but you've put an 'n' in Hazou's name a couple times and I felt the need to point it out
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Not to mention that Hanzou is also a character, and an entirely unrelated one at that. Well, except they're both ninja.

Sort-of Fake Edit: Also, my Windows install died, and now I'm on Linux and I can't use the AutoHotKey macro I had for typing macrons anymore. I am deeply saddened by this. :(
 
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Omake: Fourth Time's the Charm
  • Apocrypha
    • Mari: We are gathered here today to mourn the loss of a true friend. Akane was a wonderful person. Perhaps the best of....

    Hazou: ...

    Mari: Hazou, will you please stop digging her back up? This is the fourth time I've had to start over.

    Hazou: Let go of me! I'll be damned if I'm letting Best Student stay dead!

    Mari: *glares*

    Kagome: *sheepishly tries to hide their Edo Tensei retroengineering notes behind his back*
     
  • Apocrypha
    • Seriously though, if Akane dies, I'm going to push for sticking her in a storage scroll immediately and a research direction of munchkining storage scrolls.

    Figure out how to make multiple scrolls access the same space, edit the contents of something stored in a scroll as if it's computer memory, figure out zero/very low stress storing and releasing, and then enough sealing based medicine so that we can fix her in the timestop before pulling her back into the real world.
     
    Jello_Raptor said:
    Seriously though, if Akane dies, I'm going to push for sticking her in a storage scroll immediately and a research direction of munchkining storage scrolls.

    Figure out how to make multiple scrolls access the same space, edit the contents of something stored in a scroll as if it's computer memory, figure out zero/very low stress storing and releasing, and then enough sealing based medicine so that we can fix her in the timestop before pulling her back into the real world.
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    Could she fit in a scroll?

    If not, would it be horrible to decapitate her corpse so that we can at least seal her brain?
     
    Jello_Raptor said:
    Seriously though, if Akane dies, I'm going to push for sticking her in a storage scroll immediately and a research direction of munchkining storage scrolls.

    Figure out how to make multiple scrolls access the same space, edit the contents of something stored in a scroll as if it's computer memory, figure out zero/very low stress storing and releasing, and then enough sealing based medicine so that we can fix her in the timestop before pulling her back into the real world.
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    Or, you know, accept death as a part of life, light some candles to her in a temple, and move on sadder but wiser. Both options seem equally psychologically healthy, really.

    EDIT: I mean, in a world with a confirmed afterlife, is death really the worst thing in the world? After you've been to the Pure Lands, pulling someone back to the Impure World might just be bringing them to hell.

    In all seriousness and without snarking at your ambitions, I'd want to at least talk to some priests before assuming that bringing people back from the dead is doing them any favors.
     
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    I mean, honestly, if Akane dies all that my response will be is: [X]Action Plan: Psychotic Break followed by vow to bring her back
     
    Re: Sealing Akane's body
    Be aware that if we seal her body it will likely get pulped upon recovery, making resurrection via "copy brain state" impossible. We'd have to find a true resurrection technique, one better than Edo Tensei (which IMO is not like canon!Edo Tensei).

    Briefvoice said:
    EDIT: I mean, in a world with a confirmed afterlife, is death really the worst thing in the world? After you've been to the Pure Lands, pulling someone back to the Impure World might just be bringing them to hell.
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    Canon Naruto has a confirmed afterlife. MfD Naruto does not.
     


    Kagome: What are we going to do, Hazou?

    Hazou: Well we're certainly not going to rely on the rest of the team, now are we? No. There's only one thing we can do right now. One logical thing. We're going to defy the laws of nature!

    Kagome: But why would we-

    Hazou: Because we're sealmasters!

    (Yes, I know how this turns out for the Elrics. But we have sealing safety protocol.)
     
    faflec said:
    Re: Sealing Akane's body
    Be aware that if we seal her body it will likely get pulped upon recovery, making resurrection via "copy brain state" impossible. We'd have to find a true resurrection technique, one better than Edo Tensei (which IMO is not like canon!Edo Tensei).


    Canon Naruto has a confirmed afterlife. MfD Naruto does not.
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    Right, which is why we need to figure out how to game the storage dimension. The coordinates are keyed to location and time of storage (and something else I think?), but if we can create a scroll that can spoof that key, then we should be able to extract her from a different scroll than the one we put her into.

    If we can do this precisely enough we might even be able to store and retrieve particular molecules within a larger stored object. Alternately, instead of storing and retrieving molecules to the real world we can store and retrieve them to different places within the storage realm, which is better since we don't need to buffer molecules or atoms in the real world.

    .. Also we should figure out whether molecules and atoms exist in MFD.

    Edit: Actually scratch all of that. We can find a sufficient box quickly enough. We should just use a box that'll keep her intact and work on techniques that can heal grievous injuries very quickly. Much more efficient.

    We should see if we can't focus in on munchkining storage scrolls in way I describe if everyone survives though. Star Trek Replicator seals would be awesome. They store stuff, but they store them one molecule/atom at a time, sorting them out into gigantic piles in the storage realm. When retrieving they reassemble them in the correct pattern using available mats.
    Store a kunai and store piles of iron, retrieve many many kunais as iron is used to assemble them.
     
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