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@Jello_Raptor Isn't "special jounin" actually below regular, since it means someone who's jounin level in a couple categories but not in the rest?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Jello_Raptor
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Honestly, I want the version where instead of spreading to his eyes the Iron Nerve neurons spread to his brain. Being able to think faster than normal people, have multiple running instances of his mind, program subroutines, get bonuses to awareness, eidetic memory, as well as being able to run thinker-bullshit esque simulations or have Tattletale's power from Worm.
Jello_Raptor
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They'd just be a chuunin. I thought a special jounin has very high jounin level capability for some speciality, but chuunin or below for everything else to the point of not being combat capable against normal jounin.
Jello_Raptor
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Actually, if we have to reroll I'm likely putting my vote towards us having a version of Tattletale's bullshit vision. Though I could do without debilitating headaches through overuse, overuse should probably still be a thing, but fuck headaches.
You already get some of that by being able to spend days planning split-second decisions. As this thread just did. I mean, we were quite capable of running as many simulations as we wanted, taking into account our uncertainty about opponent skill levels.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Sherlock Holmes ninja quest?
OMAKE: NINJA HELL
(set after the next chapter)
King of Hell: Gentlemen?
*music starts*
Hazou: Ah, crap. Singing. Mind if I draw?
*King of Hell takes away Hazou's brush*
King of Hell: Explosives are evil, you won't miss 'em!
We'll find other ways to make bloodbaths!
What a sorry guy,
Tied to a bomb and left to die,
Here on level one of the Naraka Path!
Gambling's wrong,
And so is cheating!
So is making plans that're doomed to lose!
Let's let RNJashin decide,
What type of torture's justified,
I'm Kage here on level two!
*rolls d100*
Ooh!
Deep fried ninja!
Hazou: Just tell me why?
King of Hell: Please read this 902 page thread.
Hazou: Joutarou was worse than I!
King of Hell: But he is not the one who's dead!
Hazou: Then please let me explain,
My crimes were to make the world more fair!
King of Hell: But it didn't work,
So do you think I care?
Hazou (attempting to stick explosive seal onto the King of Hell's back): Don't blame me,
Blame our team's client!
King of Hell (removing the seal, and Hazou's arm): Please stop being so reliant.
Uplifting civilians is wrong!
The villages need that income to survive!
The Five Kage: Hey Hazou, gonna make some seals,
With your paper used for commercial deals?
*the kage use Hazou's remaining paper supply for economic treaties*
That's watcha watcha watcha get on level five!
Kagome: This is so unsafe!
Akane: It's up to us to rescue him!
Kagome: People've died trying to drag others back from the grave!
Akane: He'd do it for us, so we'll do it for him!
Kagome: I can see the Shinigami's bladed stave...
Akane: Come on, Kagome, we'll be fine!
The niidaime managed it, so there's still time!
Let's just be youthful and get back to work!
Kagome: Behind the veil, horrors lurk...
King of Hell: Pirating seals, fixing taijutsu fights, turning dialogue into flow-charts!
You'll pay for every crime!
Knee deep in anti-chakra slime!
You'll suffer 'till the end of time,
Enduring tortures most of which rhyme!
Trapped forever here on the Naraka Pa-
*Hazou poofs into existence*
Akane: See! I told you it would work!
(set after the next chapter)
King of Hell: Gentlemen?
*music starts*
Hazou: Ah, crap. Singing. Mind if I draw?
*King of Hell takes away Hazou's brush*
King of Hell: Explosives are evil, you won't miss 'em!
We'll find other ways to make bloodbaths!
What a sorry guy,
Tied to a bomb and left to die,
Here on level one of the Naraka Path!
Gambling's wrong,
And so is cheating!
So is making plans that're doomed to lose!
Let's let RNJashin decide,
What type of torture's justified,
I'm Kage here on level two!
*rolls d100*
Ooh!
Deep fried ninja!
Hazou: Just tell me why?
King of Hell: Please read this 902 page thread.
Hazou: Joutarou was worse than I!
King of Hell: But he is not the one who's dead!
Hazou: Then please let me explain,
My crimes were to make the world more fair!
King of Hell: But it didn't work,
So do you think I care?
Hazou (attempting to stick explosive seal onto the King of Hell's back): Don't blame me,
Blame our team's client!
King of Hell (removing the seal, and Hazou's arm): Please stop being so reliant.
Uplifting civilians is wrong!
The villages need that income to survive!
The Five Kage: Hey Hazou, gonna make some seals,
With your paper used for commercial deals?
*the kage use Hazou's remaining paper supply for economic treaties*
That's watcha watcha watcha get on level five!
CUT TO THE HUMAN PATH
Kagome: This is so unsafe!
Akane: It's up to us to rescue him!
Kagome: People've died trying to drag others back from the grave!
Akane: He'd do it for us, so we'll do it for him!
Kagome: I can see the Shinigami's bladed stave...
Akane: Come on, Kagome, we'll be fine!
The niidaime managed it, so there's still time!
Let's just be youthful and get back to work!
Kagome: Behind the veil, horrors lurk...
CUT TO THE NARAKA PATH
King of Hell: Pirating seals, fixing taijutsu fights, turning dialogue into flow-charts!
You'll pay for every crime!
Knee deep in anti-chakra slime!
You'll suffer 'till the end of time,
Enduring tortures most of which rhyme!
Trapped forever here on the Naraka Pa-
CUT TO THE HUMAN PATH
*Hazou poofs into existence*
Akane: See! I told you it would work!
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Not being favored to win and not being combat capable are different things. These are some broad ranks, and I expect an experienced chuunin/special jounin has at least a chance of beating a normal/new jounin.
Isn't that part of why the casualties rates on new jounin are so high? They give you the rank and you think you're billy badass, forgetting that you're not actually any better than you were when they were calling you a chuunin last week. And you don't know how good that guy being called a chuunin this week is.
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Special jounin is a rank between chuunin and actual jounin. It means you have a skill where you are specialized to a jounin level but don't have the general badassery to make it as an actual jounin.
For example, Kagome's Sealing skill is probably comparable to any Sealing jounin so you can't really call him chuunin, but at the same time you can't use him in a leadership position like you could an actual Jounin because his social skills are shit.
Of course, these are all military ranks, so they are not pure reflections of skill. Things like politics, service record and social connections probably play a big role on who gets punted up to a jounin and when.
Canon examples of special jounin would be: Ibiki (interrogation specialist), Ebisu (teaching specialist), Hayate (kenjutsu specialist?) and Anko (social pariah?)
EDIT: Oh yeah, all of that could be fanon now that I think about it. It's hard to remember what comes from the actual canon and what doesn't.
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Jello_Raptor
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Jello_Raptor
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Huh, so should we expect the same stat distribution for Jounin and special jounin? Which is ultimately what I'm trying to get at. I want to know what expected skill distributions would be.
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- Europe
Ummm...No? Here's a simplified example:
Special Jounin specialized in kunai throwing might have something like Weapons 20, TacMove 15, Awareness 14, Deception 8. She is good when you need to pepper someone with sharp projectiles, but falls short on other areas. Stealth or Genjutsu chuunin will cause her serious trouble, not to mention anyone passable at social combat.
The same weapons specialist turned Jounin might be something like: Weapons 21, TacMove 20, Awareness 18, Deception 16. Now she has shored up some of her big weaknesses and won't get ganked by your garden variety chuunin.
Or that's at least my view on things.
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- UK
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- He/Him
Now I think you're reaching. While the swordsman's motives remain unknown to the audience, all of the things you've listed are quite obviously there to prevent enemies from doing exactly what you're doing. You might as well be accusing someone of paranoia because when you tried to stab them in the back they turned out to be wearing concealed armour.
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Well, yeah! I mean, how could they not trust us? I feel so hurt
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I agree with everything you said, but it doesn't negate my argument in the slightest.
We can only reap the benefits you described if we spend some time researching, and so far hivemind wanted to rush forward no matter what.
I think you are overestimating difficulty of the throw required. Any genin fresh out of the academy should manage throwing a kunai through the window three steps from them. I am convinced that if we tried this, we were nearly guaranteed to succeed.
Believe me, I want a Sealing Researh Quest. I'm pretty sure @MadScientist also wants a Sealing Research Quest. Unfortunately, other players mostly want to be Orochimaru's test subjects or shady people's errand boys.
That would be great, but I am not sure about its feasibility. After all, QMs nerfed Genjutsu for gameplay balance reasons.
Part of the issue is that we feel constrained by the extremely short canon timeline. The world continues to move no matter what we do. Frankly it would have been nice to start the quest just after the Third War ends so that by the time canon rolled around Hanzou would be in his mid-twenties and presumably in his absolute prime. Taking a few months off here and there wouldn't seem like as big a deal. I mean, we already missed some of the biggest events of canon.
Another part is that while seals might be desirable, updates related to sealing are not. Abstracting it away to background stuff would be more palatable.
(rubs chin) Well it's true I do love being an errand boy.
You know what would make me enjoy a sealing research quest? Closing off possibilities as we research. Let me explain.
Sealing would start off with everything being possible. Then as we research, we would determine that certain things aren't possible, at least for Hanzou and his mind and who he is. Not saying this would necessarily be QM determined; it might be sort of "possibility rolls" to forever open up or close off certain possibilities. So branches of the trees get snipped off one by one, unless we end up with a few S-class miracles seals and a greater number of things we will never be able to do.
The notion that anything will eventually be possible and that there are no limits pretty much takes all the attractiveness out of sealing research to me. To make research a fun game, there has to be a good chance of failure and a certainty of resource limitation as not every seal you can think of will turn out to be viable.
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Sorry to be pedantic but you've put an 'n' in Hazou's name a couple times and I felt the need to point it out
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I want us to do more research than we have been, but wouldn't say I want Sealing Research Quest.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
But I feel that things being arbitrarily impossible for no reason other than to satisy your irritation at the only limit to what sealing can do being our skill and the effectiveness of our safety protocols, would poison the quest.
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- Yes.
But his name is Hanzou. He's on a deep cover mission to recruit promising missing-nin to overthrow Pain and reestablish himself as Ame's leader.
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- Switzerland
I agree with @MadScientist here. I am against arbitrarily impossible things. I feel that Sealing is already sufficiently hard, what with danger of failure, necessity for precautions, and horrendous XP cost.
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- Yes.
Why don't we do a Sealing Research Quest where we find and reverse-engineer seals alongside our own research *cough*Uzumaki*cough*?
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- NYC
Do we have a place listing everyone we've encountered's stats? (I found the one for Hazo, Keiko etc) But I couldn't find anything for Mari for example.
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Where would you look for such seals? Uzu is gone.
There's some guesswork and a little info, but general idea is that Mari's charsheet is not for our mortal eyes to behold
