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I agree completely with @Oneiros.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Fair question, but I want to note that biosealing is a bad match for us. we have no sources of lore but Orochimaru, and it seems like most advancement in biosealing comes through horrific experiments on a huge number of living bodies.
Even if we find a way to ethically advance, biosealing also seems like it's would take long-term to pay off, and I'd rather put xp towards solving current problems and surviving long enough to FOOM, and reserch time into seals.
Could please give a breakdown/explanation?
We're rolling big dice on Nagato feeling indebted in a useful way, or otherwise being able to talk him around, and that makes me a bit nervous. are there other flaws you want to point out?
Bonus points if you have an alternate plan, but pointing out issues with A-day is very useful, even if you/we don't have an alternative plan yet.
It will make a months at a minimum to have viable necromancy seals. Each research cycle takes 3 days. We need about 3 or 4 for each seal, and we have 5ish seals to research before we get to Rift reinflation. On that timescale, taking a day to practice ES isn't much of a delay.
Not fissile, therefore no potential for nuclear explosions.
U235 is the only naturally occurring fissile isotope.
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That's how Orochimaru chooses to make his advancements, yes. We don't have to do what he does. We can:
- experiment on plants and animals first.
- perform maximum prep to minimize number of seal installations.
- Possibly update or change old seals (I imagine it's possible, or Oro would be stuck with all his chuunin-ass seals hogging all the space.) Oro said he thinks you can't safely edit active seals, but you can deactivate and then disassemble them. That's his plan for the great seal for example. Hazou could pay willing subjects to test on similar to how Oro does, but just deactivate the prototype afterwards, or let them keep it if it's useful. Or install it on himself and deactivate it afterwards. Etc. This one is a maybe but it seems plausible to me.
I wouldn't think so but I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I'm pretty sure there's easy bioseals we could immediately learn that would be useful (such as Oro's no-sleep seal.)
Fortunately we have notes to get the remaining Prerequisite skills to the required levels for essentially free. The only expenses would be Carving 30 (which is optional, and maybe half-costed with Earthshaping) and the stunt itself which is 125 XP (around 10 days of FOOM.)
That's fair. I think there are plenty of bioseals equally worth looking into personally but we have a lot of things competing for research space.
This is, imo, the only true hangup. I think Oro would willingly teach us but we have to acknowledge there's basically no way we don't commit crimes against humanity while learning the stunt.
I'm honestly okay with that especially since Hazou probably comes out of it with another TYS point but if people aren't okay with it that's something they need to weigh to get the stunt.
People have floated just learning from the SSSSS guys instead but, assuming any are still alive, they're also pretty evil and I assume similar things will happen except they're way less talented than Oro.
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I argue for learning from the SSSSS on the grounds that they would be part of our clan under us so we can actually order them to do this and otherwise control their horrifying bioexperiments.
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I'm ok with that as long we keep Hazou's uplifty characterization. Let him go into the basement to make the people in there die more at peace, or to find out to kill Oro, or a sense of responsibility for the Final gift program, but as long as we do that, i will vote for it.
TYS help Sealing, and sealing brings Akane back. This is enough for me.
EDIT: I guess we just need to vote for it...and convince Uplift first.
And study until we have the prereqs, we aren't there yet. After we are, I'm down for an Oro apprentice arc, maybe we can get bonus xp for it.
I think Oro killed them all, unfortunately.
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I would like to note that we're not leveling those prereqs because we have no need to do it. If Oro start teaching us, we will level them up, and we will do so with Minato's level talent, making Oro even more convinced of our genius.
TL;DR Without Oro apprenticeship, we're not leveling the prereqs, so it's sensible to first go for the apprenticeship and then level the skills required.
I don't agree. Hazou needs the prereqs before he starts to learn the Biosealing stunt. That means it would take additional months of Oro apprenticeship to get him ready to start biosealing if he doesn't already know the basics. That's a harder sell, and makes Hazou look incompetent (to Oro, the guy's standards are pretty high).
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? We have medical notes. We can level those prereqs for free (well, for the costof a SC block). Carving is the only one we don't have notes for but it isn't required for the stunt. And it may also be half costed with ES.
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I have a proposed Stunt that takes Hazou's ES skill, and gives him free Carving by (1/3) of his ES level.
I believe this is conceivable, due to the Iron Nerve being at play (EJ once said that the shaping in Earthshaping is done primarily with your hands), and would allow some of that skill to be transferable, albeit imperfectly.
Still waiting on a final WOG approval, though.
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I imagine the carving relevant to biosealing uses a knife, though. The motions wouldn't really be that similar, moreso just the knowledge of how solid materials behave when carved.
EDIT: also wouldn't that not help us? Hazou would need 90 Earthshaping to get 30 carving.
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If we're willing to do it, i have no problems with this plan, not sure if the training plans will receive enough votes without Oro's agreement to an apprenticeship
We can have Hazou Prime read the notes so we don't lose a single XP. There's no downside.
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WRT Oro apprenticeship, we absolutely have to sanity check it with our team (and probably other Leaf citizens to be thorough) first with some very convincing arguments.
Kagome would hate the idea because he abhors Biosealing in general.
Mari would think Hazou would be going too far in his grief and try to talk Hazou!Pilot out of it.
Noburi would tell us that Akane would not have wanted Hazou to compromise who he is by proactively voluntarily helping Orochimaru.
Kei would threaten us with the Caldera Contingency again.
Yuno... I have no idea. Her Isanese heritage may or may not support Necromancy/Biosealing in the abstract.
Kagome would hate the idea because he abhors Biosealing in general.
Mari would think Hazou would be going too far in his grief and try to talk Hazou!Pilot out of it.
Noburi would tell us that Akane would not have wanted Hazou to compromise who he is by proactively voluntarily helping Orochimaru.
Kei would threaten us with the Caldera Contingency again.
Yuno... I have no idea. Her Isanese heritage may or may not support Necromancy/Biosealing in the abstract.
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Yuno would likely see it as sacrificing people for power... and (until we unlock the stunt and can head towards Phyto-sealing) she wouldn't be wrong.
I'm still down to do it, however, because with biosealing, we can unlock the Phyto-sealing tech tree, and make super-nutritious foods (and other such projects).
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To be fair, we could also just obtain the Biosealing stunt and then stop helping Orochimaru, instead of a full apprenticeship. But i would say that that is something to decide when we obtain the Biosealing stunt.
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Why are we talking about pursuing biosealing now when we already have two massive sealing projects on the go?
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I think Asuma mentioned another biosealer in Leaf. I think their name started with an F? I forget the specifics, though.