The implication of the above is that If you're optimizing for maximal XP then the way to do it is to have the shortest possible time covered in each update. If you can have three updates that all fit within 1 in-universe calendar day then woo-hoo! Those brevity XP are stacking up! On the other hand, if you're optimizing for actually getting things done then you should support longer time periods per update.
This upcoming update is supposed to last around a week according to EJ so no big windfall yet, I believe. Still, planning ahead is good
No strong feelings on Kei, besides leveling some jutsu maybe. Could poll her on what interests her, such as THing (also she still doesn't seem to know any Nara secret techniques.... are they bloodline required? I wouldn't think so since the Mori didn't have anything like that.)
As for Akane, I'd say build up her lower stats (20s and 30s) to get EM and FA in the 40s. If you want an idea of what those 20s and 30s could be check my sig. Alternatively if we do skip a whole 2-3 months we could have her learn earth element and/or Summoning in that time. (Is Hazou qualified to teach her earth element? I guess Reo could do it...)
Akane could just read Jiraiya's notes... but my hope would be that for a person to teach another person an Element, it would require that the teacher have a firm familiarity with that specific Element. Maybe "Master [Earthshaper]" or several [elemental] jutsu that are 40+?
@faflec, @faflec we can do more than that now. We have... about 45 additional clone-hours per day now, via the SCs? Each of these clone-hours could be spent doing something plot-relevant. Our first meeting with Ami took one chapter and is supposed to have lasted 1 hour, so we have precedent for hourly updates generating XP. With Prime staying awake 16 hours/day and all clones active, that's 61 hours/day, and each of these hours could be its own update! At 2 XP per update (minimal + brevity), that'd be 122 XP/day!!! 138 XP/day if we figure out how to have plot-relevant dreams, and 207 XP/day if we're doing Ami-style training all the while!
Is there any way we can increase that number even higher???
Edit: Wait, that's without accounting for SC training XP! If the clones are doing training simultaneously with all this plot-relevant stuff, I think that's an additional x2.5 multiplier on all of this? So that's 517 XP/day!
While I, too am excited to start getting to some of the Big Plays that just need a little time, I don't love time-skipping. We end up missing a little things; we have a track record of our timeskip plans being not as good, so our base XP suffers for that period; it's easier to grind XP in shorter updates;
Like, I remember the Hokage vote timeskip. Which I thought was a bad idea at the time, and which did end up with our side losing. Plus, if there's a snag, I want a chance to address it sooner. Like, if a path isn't as productive, it's harder to update our SOP accordingly if it just goes sub-optimally until the runtime is up, you know?
After two weeks? Sure, we'll have enough XP to get a few levels in pretty much any skill, and we can say projects progressed in the background. 2-3 months? Anything we didn't notice when it was a little problem ends up being huge.
At the bare minimum, anyone who is voting for a long skip should be aware and accepting of the consequences of a rational fic with good simulation from great QMs.
Edit: for things like traveling to a different land, like with the scroll hunt, I don't think of that as timeskip as much. Actively doing a thing with a set time frame to me feels different than "do a thing until X outcome happens or 6 months passes", you know? And even then, that feels much more at QM pacing, so they could make updates during the journey for us to re-evaluate regularly in a way I don't think we'll get if we're asking for a time-skip.
Y'all. The fact that Paper liked this and EJ marked it as informative is making me think a 6 month time skip really isn't the right play. Or at least, that we're going to give up a lot here. Mind you, this is a personal threshold of comfort vote. But given the winning plan and the much talked about desire to hit ES50, I can't imagine this is just being asked for fun. At the Very least, I wouldn't want to skip farther than the exact moment we can (hopefully) actually do something about the crumbling great seal.
Edit: just saw EJ's post about different optimization paradigms. So the informative could be about that. I stand by the rest though.
Y'all. The fact that Paper liked this and EJ marked it as informative is making me think a 6 month time skip really isn't the right play. Or at least, that we're going to give up a lot here. Mind you, this is a personal threshold of comfort vote. But given the winning plan and the much talked about desire to hit ES50, I can't imagine this is just being asked for fun. At the Very least, I wouldn't want to skip farther than the exact moment we can (hopefully) actually do something about the crumbling great seal.
Edit: just saw EJ's post about different optimization paradigms. So the informative could be about that. I stand by the rest though.
Well a big problem in that regard is that it's not often that we have week-ish long projects, aside from Sealing, which I'll note generally skips about that much time. But in terms of actual plantext we don't often have plots in that timeframe. Everything we want to do is months out or takes a day to do. We never vote for things that take like 2 weeks to do besides Sealing.
The question is "What is the longest time you're comfortable with". It is not a question for which multiple answers are possible from one person. Please remove one of these.
Ok cuz look the answer changes depending on which word I place more importance on. 'Longest', or 'comfortable'.
I'd be wary, but overall accepting of a 3 month skip. That's the longest. But I wouldn't describe that feeling as comfortable you know? Kinda borderline. 2 months is more comfortable to me.
"Gooood morning, Gaku!" Hazō said, striding through the door with an insufferable grin and plopping into his chair. He dropped his feet up on the desk, crossed at the ankle, and took a drink from the mug of spiced tea he had brought with him.
"You seem cheery this afternoon, sir," Gaku noted, the faintest hint of dryness in his tone surely having no resemblance to criticism of his lord's sandals on the desk, or the fact that his lord was wrong about which part of the day it was.
"I am! I am indeed. Things are finally starting to break our way." He gestured widely with his mug. "Sunny days are here again, Gaku. Potential abounds, the future is brightening by the moment."
"Oh?"
"Indeed!" He knocked the rest of the mug back, then set it on the desk and slid it away. "Gaku, what would you say is the most important project we have going?"
"Saving the world from the Dragons, sir?"
"Okay, that's fair, but no. Try again."
"Ensuring that your relationships with Lady Akane and Lady Yamanaka do not explode, thereby causing massive drama within the clan and potentially a clan war with the largest power bloc in Leaf?"
"Don't be snide and no, not that one."
"Ensuring that the pig-faced, tiny-brained jackanapes who rules the Hagoromo clan ends up burning forever in a pit of torment?"
"First, dark. Second, very dark for you. Third, no. Try again."
"I give up, sir."
"Necromancy, Gaku! Necromancy! We're going to bring Jiraiya back! C'mon, you know this."
"Yes sir. I can see how resurrecting one of the greatest heroes of the Leaf and our clan's founder would indeed be a priority."
"Tell me about it. Once he's back I can dump all this paperwork on him and actually have some fun."
"Yes sir. I take it there has been progress?"
"There has indeed, indeediest deed."
"Would this have anything to do with Lord Kagome's return, sir?"
"Once again: indeediest deed! He got back from that rift to the afterlife which we are going to reinflate so that we can haul Jiraiya out of there. He took measurements while he was there and he's confident that our idea is going to work! The basic design for our rift reinflation seal is solid and he's confident we can make it work."
"I seem to recall you saying that it would need to be used from both sides of the rift simultaneously, sir."
Hazō waved dismissively. "Don't harsh my buzz, Gaku."
"Apologies, sir."
"Sure, there are some minor details to work out—"
"Such as how to get the seal into the afterlife for use on the other side of the rift without dying or already having a rift to the afterlife? Noting that the afterlife apparently drains chakra from seals?"
"Didn't I just say don't harsh my buzz?"
"Apologies, sir."
"Anyway, up until now we weren't certain that it would work. We were pretty sure we were, but now we are. Minato's seals are the key, you see."
Gaku frowned for a moment, then nodded in recollection. "That chain of seals you found that teaches how to draw Lord Naruto's jinchūriki seal."
"Exactly! Kagome-sensei has already done the first two in the chain. They make invisible chakra constructs that puff away after a few seconds without doing anything."
"Without doing anything, sir?" There was an entire paragraph of implication coded into that seemingly neutral question.
"No, turning those trees purple wasn't the intent of the seal. It was an issue with one of the prototypes."
"Of course, sir. I mention it only because the trees have been spontaneously lighting themselves on fire and then equally spontaneously extinguishing themselves every few days since Lord Kagome did that work."
"Yes, well, it'll make a good tourist attraction. Anyway, we're now confident that we can make this thing. Sensei wants to grind through three or four more of Minato's seals in order to get more experience with this stuff and then we can start on the actual rift inflation seal itself. I'm starting on the seal chain myself and it is making sense! It is the coolest stuff ever, and I get it!"
"I am pleased to hear it, sir."
"Seriously, the Fourth was a flipping genius! He balanced a third chord intersection on a binodal interferon! And this is the first seal in the chain. Gah, I can't believe I never thought of it myself. I mean, no one ever would just working with them, it's insane. But the Fourth literally invented new mathemagical notation and manipulation rules and you can prove the construction within his system. Plus, we're going to be able to use this system to explore other potential seal elements. It's incredible."
"This is responsible for your good mood, sir?"
"No, that's just part of it! I got that math stuff figured out last night and then this morning I went to Bear Territory and visited Mareo. He's the Bear Summoner—I've mentioned him, right? Crazy old coot, never remembers my name?"
"I believe you have mentioned him once or twice, yes sir. Did you remember to take him that copy of Icha Icha Purity: Stolen Heart?"
"I did, and he loved it! Loved it enough to share some of his nodopanchi with me! Amazing stuff. It's made from berries and spring water and some herbs. Very sweet, a little bubbly."
"Are the berries perhaps a bit of a stimulant, sir?"
"Oh, pish tosh, Gaku! Stop being such a stick in the mud!"
"Of course, sir."
"And take that moth off your shoulder, it's distracting."
Gaku looked at his shoulder in confusion, then checked the other one. "Moth, sir?"
"Yeah! The moth! Ooh, or is it a bunny?" Hazō's speech was slowing down, becoming more thoughtful. "Is it soft? It looks soft. Bring the bunny over here, I wanna pet the bunny."
"Sir, there is neither a moth nor a bunny nor anything else on my shoulders."
Hazō snorted indignantly. "Hah! S'right there." He pointed accusingly, but his arm dropped back to his lap after a moment. "Plain s'day. Ver' cute. Looks sofff..." His eyes drifted closed, his chin drooped to his chest, and within moment he was snoring softly.
Gaku watched in bemusement, then stood up. He retrieved a blanket from the arm of the sofa, draped it loosely over his lord, and crept quietly from the room.
o-o-o-o
Mari raised an eyebrow as she entered the family room and saw Noburi and Yuno jump apart from each other on the couch where they'd been cuddling. Hazō and Akane separated a little more slowly on the opposite loveseat.
"Am I interrupting something?" Mari said with a sly smile. "Now, far be it from me to judge, given some of the things I've done in my youth, but I'd have thought you'd be more scared of orgies after the Anko incident. Still, if you're going to go through with it, you might want guidance from an expert. First-"
"Aaand that's enough, Mari, thanks for coming," Hazō said, standing up and brushing invisible dirt off the front of his shirt. He stood at the front of the room and gestured to his assembled clan-mates. "Now, you're probably wondering why I've gathered you all here."
"Is it not because of these scrolls?" Yuno said, gesturing to the four scrolls placed prominently on the low coffee table, each with the Tower's seal neatly arranged to face outward. "There are four of them and four of us."
Hazō sighed. "Yes, that's right. I was just trying to be dramatic." He handed out the scrolls. "Here, take a look."
One by one, the four ninja opened their scrolls and read them with dawning expressions of shock and surprise. Yuno was the first to speak.
"They want me to take a team of genin students?"
Hazō nodded. "Asuma says that with the senior ninja forces as depleted as they are, and a reduced need for missions in peacetime, almost all jōnin are being assigned genin teams. If you have a really strong reason, he'll let you out of it, but it sounds like it'll basically have to be something like signing up for ANBU. As for you two," he said, facing Akane and Noburi, "Chūnin don't necessarily have to do it, but are strongly encouraged to. There's still not enough mentorship capacity to go around, and the clans would be pissed off if their new genin got shoved into the general genin corps."
"I am unsure if they would want someone like me, who has never trained in Leaf's combat arts, teaching their children," Yuno said.
"They definitely want you," Hazō said. "All of you got special requests, and I suspect that Asuma will tailor teams to you all. It's ultimately up to you, of course, but I think it's a good decision. It gets us more integrated into Leaf's cultural fabric, which is always important." He read the uncertainty on all four of his clanmates' faces, and waved a hand. "Take the scroll and think about it. Tell me what you decide within the week though, so I can get the Tower to assign you strong teams if you accept."
Author's Note: This update covered eight days.
@Velorien will be writing chapter 559, which will drop before Tuesday and will cover the conversation with Ruri the Condor Summoner. This is a bonus update and will not alter the standard voting or publication schedules.
Things that were in the plan and happened offscreen:
Buy adoption tickets to adopt the ninja living on the Gōketsu estate: No other clan is selling tickets right now, so you went to the KEI to create one for you. They said they are having some trouble with their production process for the physical tickets and they will get back to you as soon as it's sorted out.
Buy an adoption ticket in order to adopt Honoka and her family: They were surprised that you wanted to adopt a clanless Academy student and said they would need to discuss how that should work and they would get back to you.
Adopt Honoka's family: You cannot legally adopt her parents without adopting her.
Hazō has made substantial progress on the first seal in the Minato chain! He thinks he's well over halfway done, and thinks he could finish in two more cycles, maybe even one if he's lucky.
XP AWARD: 40
Brevity XP: 8
"GM had fun" XP: 3
+1 for the Gaku scene
+1 for the second scene, because it's fun and it's going to lead to funny things, and it was written by the talented @Paperclipped so I didn't have to put any effort in but I still get to enjoy the ensuing hijinks
"Exactly! Kagome-sensei has already done the first two in the chain. They make invisible chakra constructs that puff away after a few seconds without doing anything."
"Without doing anything, sir?" There was an entire paragraph of implication coded into that seemingly neutral question.
"No, turning those trees purple wasn't the intent of the seal. It was an issue with one of the prototypes."
Hmm, I remember someone saying recently that we've never seen Kagome hit a sealing failure before. Could this be his first, having finally found his match in Minato's personal notes?
(Kagami Yusuke's sealing failures do not count, since Kagome Yu is much more than Kagami Yusuke. More experienced, more careful, more funny dances. We've seen Kagami fail a seal, but not Kagome)
Wait wait wait, hold on, this is our out! This is how we get Noburi out doing missions again so he can shake off the stagnancy!
Sure, it's recklessly dangerous to get into a chuunin-level fight with fresh genin at your side, but I'd say keeping the three kiddos alive would count as 'meaningful stakes', wouldn't you?
Wait wait wait, hold on, this is our out! This is how we get Noburi out doing missions again so he can shake off the stagnancy!
Sure, it's recklessly dangerous to get into a chuunin-level fight with fresh genin at your side, but I'd say keeping the three kiddos alive would count as 'meaningful stakes', wouldn't you?
I think Noburi becoming a team leader is exactly the out we're looking for, and I think he might enjoy it?
Also holy shit, I didn't realize we actually had the Seal to open the Rift. I just assumed we had a decent first idea that would fail and give rise to the second, correct idea!
I think Noburi becoming a team leader is exactly the out we're looking for, and I think he might enjoy it?
Also holy shit, I didn't realize we actually had the Seal to open the Rift. I just assumed we had a decent first idea that would fail and give rise to the second, correct idea!
Obviously the project isn't over. We've got to solve issues like where people show up on the Naraka path when they die, if it's feasible to get to Jiraiya from the site of the Rift, how much stuff a dead person brings with them to the afterlife.
But we have the Seal. This is actually starting to look possible, rather than a nebulous dream.