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We are already going to have to go so far over the top to deal with Oro in the long term that worrying that he might get stronger from any deal we make is mostly pointless.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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I was assuming one of our long term goals was to keep him in check
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I think I might have failed in explaining my point. If we want to eventually check Oro we will eventually have to be as strong as him or stronger. The difference between Oro with sage mode and Oro without when compared to team uplift now is effectively the same. On a normal growth path we would never hit either in almost all attempts. So we need to worry more about our growth rate than Increasing Oro's raw strength
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I have very much not been following all the conversations around the MEW rod from god WMD, but If I recall correctly the limitation is that if the MEW is summoned from high up enough to get the kind of acceleration needed to really do the massive damage we'd like then it will desummon before reaching the ground.
What if even without vacuum step one straps a Shadow Clone to the base on wich the MEW was summoned to summon a second MEW on the other side of it just before the first MEW pops? Then the whole object would only momentarily double in mass (and lose speed?) but would return to the original mass right after and thus double its possible flight time.
Is that enough to elevate the damage to WMD level?
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[><] Ask for the octocat back (but decontaminated), give it to Ami, don't tell her all the details but make it clear that we got her a shiny from the claws of Snuncle at our own risk, making us even wrt "she owns our butt"
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[X] Action Plan: Deal With The (Snake) Devil
"I think..." that Lord Orochimaru has been very generous and agree to the two week rental of these items for all that he's presented here, I look forward to hearing about what information Lord Orochimaru discovers since there are more dragons. If there is a reason to extend the rental I will be happy to discuss that at a later point in time. Also, we keep the items on a stone slab inside the wooden box because they don't seem to eat through stone but we're not sure, it may just eat through stone more slowly.
This is the gist to get across, it need not be an exact quote.
(Conversations in the last plan are likely to occur in this chapter since they already happened, we just don't know the substance, so it's a lighter plan, accordingly.)
"I think..." that Lord Orochimaru has been very generous and agree to the two week rental of these items for all that he's presented here, I look forward to hearing about what information Lord Orochimaru discovers since there are more dragons. If there is a reason to extend the rental I will be happy to discuss that at a later point in time. Also, we keep the items on a stone slab inside the wooden box because they don't seem to eat through stone but we're not sure, it may just eat through stone more slowly.
This is the gist to get across, it need not be an exact quote.
(Conversations in the last plan are likely to occur in this chapter since they already happened, we just don't know the substance, so it's a lighter plan, accordingly.)
That's one limitation certainly, the other major one is that we can't hit anything dropping from that far up.
I see another problem though, Shadow Clones are very fragile and huge chunks of rock are not aerodynamically stable. It's likely that the tumble during the fall would pop the SC or cause it to pass out from the g-forces.
My model of the situation is that the overall velocity doesn't change when a second MEW is created. So if the SC was functional we would be able to chain MEWs to the ground this way. However, the energy of a single MEW impacting is most likely not enough to be worthwhile.
The Armstrong Limit is the ceiling at which Hazou will be able to operate without a pressure suit. That's 18-19 km on Earth, assume the same for the MfDverse. No way we're going to be able to effectively operate at the maximum, so call the practical limit 15 km. Ignoring air resistance (which actually matters here, so these estimates are better than we'd ever do) A 2700 kg projectile (1 m^3 of granite) has about 400 MJ of kinetic energy by the time it hits the ground. That's about the energy of 100 kg of TNT, nothing like a WMD.
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@Ipsos Custodes Voting is closed for now
Take the deal. Fair price for a rental. Review the conversation with Mari. Were they playing good Dr. bad biosealer? How far is Orochimaru's from the cafe? Negotiation has a different vibe if roundtrip took 5 minutes or 25. Making a play to fully sell Dragon parts can wait until the research notes from the first two weeks are delivered. No good mechanism to prevent Orochimaru from withholding discoveries. Cannot expect anyone but a summon to willingly go into the lab, at best Tsunade can scan for bullshit.
Give the blank check to Noburi to decide how to spend. Tip Kabuto's hospital some money for brokering the deal. It is possible some parties value the blank check more highly than the resources it represents as an in with Orochimaru. If Asuma wants it used a certain way, can buy his favor. Move Dragon parts from Dog to the Conclave.
Give the blank check to Noburi to decide how to spend. Tip Kabuto's hospital some money for brokering the deal. It is possible some parties value the blank check more highly than the resources it represents as an in with Orochimaru. If Asuma wants it used a certain way, can buy his favor. Move Dragon parts from Dog to the Conclave.
Voting is open.
I'm guessing from a discord announcement?
My mistake. It asks what do we think at the end of the chapter. Did not read down to where it says voting is closed.
Oooo, the "strap a shadow clone to it" idea might be useful HORIZONTALLY too!
If we could get a chunk of earth large enough to cast MEW on, moving quickly somehow, a shadow clone could MEW to add mass to the fast-moving thing, instantly increasing the total energy, potentially a lot.
An easy way to do this is with something like a catapult - big rock drops, tiny rock gets flung QUICK, tiny rock gets turned into a big rock moving QUICK!
If we could get a chunk of earth large enough to cast MEW on, moving quickly somehow, a shadow clone could MEW to add mass to the fast-moving thing, instantly increasing the total energy, potentially a lot.
An easy way to do this is with something like a catapult - big rock drops, tiny rock gets flung QUICK, tiny rock gets turned into a big rock moving QUICK!
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Fuck it. Let's make a stone seal that uses nearby stone to produce more of itself. Bye bye Rock. They can't prove it's us because they don't even understand stone seals. Yes, that means cracking it first but it's not like it'll be difficult or something, Hazō reinvented dimensional sealing did he not?
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Word of Velorien says that voting will remain closed. Time to contemplate our poor life choices.
Mari's eyes are green this chapter. By the principles of unalloyed logic, if blue + green is Scholar + Uplift Mari then green means Uplift Mari was in the seat. Conjecture, when multiMari went to Ami, Mari's eyes did a real time color change between personalities. Changing eye color is not harmful. At most gives a tag against her socials if the target is in the know. Other colors fit stereotypes. Purple for seduction, grey for Heartbreaker, yellow for greed etc.
Mari deserves a break and apology. Not fair to put her in situations where she must perform flawlessly, die or damage relationships. She did not ask for more killbox trauma, not being outside of the suicidial firing line ourself does not justify putting others in it.
Mari deserves a break and apology. Not fair to put her in situations where she must perform flawlessly, die or damage relationships. She did not ask for more killbox trauma, not being outside of the suicidial firing line ourself does not justify putting others in it.
You mean permanent MEW? Not going to happen with a chunk of flying rock. Otherwise the chunk of earth doesn't need to be large at all for chakra construct MEW.
This isn't a bad strategy, but like, explosive tags will still do way more damage, so why bother?
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OUTITY (Out entity): *twists finger in Hazō's bum*
HAZŌ: I THINK IT'S A LOAD OF SHIT. TWO SECONDS, NOT WEEKS!
KABUTO: Now I thi- wha?
OROCHIMARU: Fine. I suppose this game has run on long enough. *grows an extra head, both of his necks extend dramatically to allow his inhumanly-moving jaws to encase Mari and Noburi*
If you want your family mostly intact, boy, you will give me all you know and all you have.
HAZŌ: Shadow Clone Technique! *makes as many clones as possible*
KABUTO, OROCHIMARU: *reflexively look around to make sure no clone is escaping stealthily, affording Hazō a split second*
THE HAZŌLLECTIVE: DISPEL!
EVERYONE: *dissolves*
ZABUZA: Disrupting the genjutsu by multiplying the sensory inputs and dispelling from several perspectives at once? That's a trick I hadn't considered. Thanks, kid. *grues Hazō*
Reroll time!
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So if we decide to try and sell the dragon pieces to Orochimaru what kind of shinies would people like?
My list would be
My list would be
- Help getting 7th path chakra farm set up.
- Buff/training Jutsu for all of the kids
- Forbidden Lore
- Having one of the dragon claws made into a sword for us
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Assistance on the GS breaking down, help convincing Manda to join the crusade, personal attendance on the big Crusade battles.
Dragons communally take qualities of the things they eat. Overcoming their natural defenses against adapting negative traits and feeding one something that gibs all of them is one of the best things Orochimaru could do.
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It's Jonin ninja speed with substitutions, it's probably more like 1 minute, maybe 2 since Kabuto would have avoided breaking any doors or walls, could have been seconds depending on Kabuto's chakra capacity - but 25 minutes could have also been Kabuto trying to meet with him and not interrupt his ongoing experiment.
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I think that @Oneiros has the right idea here: these scales belong to us and Goketsu, the clan, should be profiting. I'm certainly not adverse to convincing Orochimaru to help with the Great Seal/the Dragons, but I don't feel great about trading our personal wealth strictly or primarily for his assistance in collective endeavors. If Asuma wants to get upset about it, he can buy the corpse of the next Dragon off us and then trade it to Orochimaru.
I think that 'Dragon Claw sword' is shooting a bit low - it doesn't do much for us personally and we can probably get a craftsman to do that. A Seventh Path chakra farm would be...cool because it enables more Zoo Rush, but it feels like that's something that (especially now) is of huge benefit to the village compared to being very useful to us. (I also think that it would require a lot of moving parts and more face-to-face time than I'd really like with Orochimaru.) Jutsu would be nice, but I worry about having the XP budget as well as the ROI with respect to QM spoons. Somewhat-abstracted stuff like 'favours from Kabuto' or 'some Council votes' sound like they'd be good.
Something that I would really, really like is to get is some idea of why 'Great Seal, might destroy the Seventh Path and then the Human Path' didn't trigger any sort of reaction from Kabuto, but the word 'Dragon' did. There's lore in them thar hills, and it's lore that Orochimaru was comfortable sharing - albeit with Kabuto, his closest confidante. Obviously, he has part of a story here.
I expect 'Snake in Spider' will be a fairly natural consequence of his interest in this situation. He's going to want more Dragon parts or to observe them directly. I do worry about his interactions with Kumokogo - we should warn her that it's a possibility and that the Summoner who shows up is extremely powerful (and therefore a great asset!) but unlikely to demonstrate tremendous respect for tradition.
(Orochimaru probably wouldn't try to take on/take out a Boss on their home turf.)
(...right?)
I like it, the ground itself rearranging into mind-bending geometries, trees get uprooted. Buildings, hills and mountains toppling in an expanding circle of cascading sealing failures until it the hemispheroid of seal assimilation reaches the planet's liquid core and the sealing failures expand all along the interface, eventually engulfing the entire planet.
Next, in MfD! Rerolling into a seal failure abomination, hunted by the Watchers, Jashin and somehow Zabuza!
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It let's us deploy as many SC and summons as we want. Which dramatically increases safety on missions. Especially since it has been ruled as impossible to get toads or dogs to travel. Another way to phrase it would be just ask for a way for Noburi to drain summons on the 7th path or a way to deal with nature chakra
I have exactly as much interest in these as I do money. I want real tangible things that increase our power or increase our agency