If Doggos could fast travel on one of those skysliders, they might be more amendable to diplomatic posts in far away countries.
 
Cantelope also was somewhat inclined to visit the Toads, it's more that Cannai didn't want him representing the Dogs at the Conclave (especially without consulting Cannai), hence Hazou getting punished. So it's feasible there are dogs willing to do it, it's a matter of finding someone who wants to that Cannai is also okay with, same way Canabisu was willing to go to Arachnid and stay there (he didn't even entirely know what he was signing up for before we actually set out, since it wasn't clear what would happen when we found Arachnid)
 
Cantelope also was somewhat inclined to visit the Toads, it's more that Cannai didn't want him representing the Dogs at the Conclave (especially without consulting Cannai), hence Hazou getting punished. So it's feasible there are dogs willing to do it, it's a matter of finding someone who wants to that Cannai is also okay with, same way Canabisu was willing to go to Arachnid and stay there (he didn't even entirely know what he was signing up for before we actually set out, since it wasn't clear what would happen when we found Arachnid)
Wasn't the final word on the matter that Cannai said no, therefore we will stop?
 
Not ontologically impossible, just more expensive than available resources thus far.
Yeah and the Hokage was going to pay for it. Since we where not even given the time of day when we walked in with a fat stack means money won't . Plus with how y'all quashed the get a dog to do it signals that it's not something worth pursuing
 

Omake: Experience is a Self-Indulgent Omake Written Ninety-Eight Days Too Late​


January 30, 1070 AS

Hazō had an itch. An itch that went unscratched for ages, for literal years, a constant drain on his mood. A longing whose embers had been rekindled when he least expected it, but then there were more urgent plans to follow. As it was a staple of Mist culture, he could hardly have brought it up in Fire. As everyone in Team Uplift knew better than to let him have his way, he'd been cruelly denied for two years in the cold. Oh, of course, he had other things to do - people to talk to, and replacements, of many, many exciting kinds - but no ersatz can replace the original obsession.

Yes, ever since he saw the Chūnin Exam proctors playing Go, Hazō had been positively itching to play his favourite game again, time and again plagued by the unwillingness of the philistines he called kin and compatriots. It was predicted that even the best researchers in clone AI would not make their clones challenging for humans before another hundred years. Never mind working on making his own clones recognise the two different colours of stones. Doomed to live in an unenlightened age, Hazō sighed. At least the Seven Path breeze was nice, and the grass soft. He would endure, miserably, but ever onwards.

A basso cough from behind him made Hazō jerk around, eyes going wide as his reflexes readied him for an attack.

"Oh, Cannai," he said in relief. "I didn't see you there."

"I am aware. A word, Summoner?" The massive Dog turned and strode away across the prairie, Hazō following alongside.

They had gone twenty yards before Hazō noticed the silence.

Cannai was...solid would be the closest word in human speech. Hazō was only now realizing that, every moment he had spent with Cannai, there had been a sense of the mighty dog's presence. It was like the presence of the earth beneath your feet: So prevalent that you didn't think about it, but always there. Solid, deep, bearing you up and loaning you its strength, its touch carefully gentled so as not to harm the fragile creatures that walked across its surface. That presence was gone. Hazō could feel nothing from the Alpha of the Dog Clan.

"Sir?"

"Just a bit farther, Summoner. I wish privacy."

Hazō swallowed nervously and tried to keep his mouth shut.

"Do not worry. My presence may feel imposing, but no harm will come to you. I am taking care to treat the situation with gravity, for I feel there is an issue."

After a good minute of pondering, Hazō decided he was, overall, reassured by Cannai's words.

They travelled for ten minutes before Cannai stopped and turned to face Hazō.

"Summoner, I worry. You represent my only contact with the Human Path, and one of the rare allies I have by choice, by art, and by definition through this bond we share. You seem currently to act in a fashion similar to Kakashi's, at his worst. I need you to be helped and helpful, as a subordinate, as an ally, and as a being to which I cannot wish but the best."

"Oh." Hazō had not realised how outwardly his mood showed, or that of course Cannai would be able to read his face from any angle at any time. Solitude does not exist on the Seventh Path if Clan Bosses can see, hear, and feel through their entire lands.

"As the Alpha, I have authority over tens of thousands, but also duty. To provide, to help, to 'uplift', as I believe you once said. Is there anything I or the Dog Clan can do to ensure your recovery?"

"Sir, I hadn't realised how broody I must have seen. It's a trifle, really. I just miss a game from my youth, one I played with my mother. One of these days I'll surely meet another who can play Go and scratch that itc-

Cannai's tongue lolled out in amusement. "Was that all? This is reassuring, Summoner. My presence should not be required elsewhere in the coming hours, and this could even prove interesting. I have been known to play, although doubtless the Seventh Path and the Human Path have not shared lore for quite some time, so I may not play as a human would." His tone stayed flat, but his eyes were sparkling as those of a Hoshigaki trying not to laugh.

Hazō was dumbfounded. "You know the game? Sir?"

"I believe that is in fact what I just said." If eyes could sparkle twice at the same time, this was what Cannai's were doing. His metaphysical presence, comforting as much as it weighed heavily on all beings close to him, was slowly returning.

o-o-o-o
The early game had been going relatively well for Hazō. Cannai's jōseki were severely outdated, but tricky. It only made sense - over the course of several centuries, Mist lore had expanded, refuted openings and reanalysed others, but it meant that some excellent moves that were only slightly less good than newer ones were abandoned, then all but forgotten. All but. No plan survives contact with an anagraphophile a very careful planner opposite. And no (née-)Kurosawa can be beaten at an exercise in rote-learnt movements. Hazō knew old, obsolete sequences after one reading of an old, obsolete book simply by going through the motions as he played his way through chapters. Usually, his games did not go much further than that phase. A trained Iron Nerve is simply unbeatable at the opening. Mari said it was "an insufferable quirk". Noburi said he was "an insufferable prick". Kei had no interest in playing a game that the Frozen Skein rendered trivial. But Cannai... Cannai had yet to learn.

The middle portion of the game seemed to be closing to an end. Hazō's early lead had been valiantly defended, but Cannai... Cannai was intelligent. And trickier than Hazō expected of one who spoke so frankly. Vicious trick moves, pushing him to the edge of his ability. He had built a wide zone of influence with unexpected forcing hands, moves Hazō was forced to answer lest he effectively resign. The framework thus created was thick, hard to reduce, and every poke to reduce its potential from Hazō's own territory would be answered easily, ensuring impenetrable walls and a lump amount of points, snatching an easy victory in few moves.

Hazō had to act. Reducing was out of the question, and expanding his own points in the few remaining neutral areas would never be sufficient. Cannai's plan was simple, and he had the upper hand. So naturally Hazō had but one choice: invade.

He set his face, resolute, and placed a stone smack in the middle of Cannai's prospective territory. As he did, the gentle breeze started to pick up into a stronger wind. He looked up. Cannai's eyes were fire.

"This is my land."

On retrospect, coming at the Clan Alpha, first and last line of defence for his pack and land, with "invasion" as his mindset was perhaps one of Hazō's worst ideas. Well, one of the worst he had this week. At least it was rather ill-advised.

"Summoner, this is my land. I own it. I welcomed you onto the board, and shared it almost equally with you as a play member, and you have betrayed me. I will not forfeit the game in the heat of the moment, but you are not welcome in that corner of the goban. Go back to yours. Attempt to defend its walls, eventually, after all the groups are no longer quite so undefined, I will allow us to proceed to the endgame. At that point we shall return to this move and you and I will have words." As he spoke these words, the trees, the clouds, and the rolling hills seemed all to loom above and around Hazō menacingly.

He gulped. "Sir—"

"We will have words in the review. Talking is, after all, to be kept at a minimum during the game. Get that stone out of my territory."

Hazō sighed inwardly as he picked up the stone and placed it on a more consensual intersection. His invasion was well thought-out, and this was strictly game-legal. Yet again, he could not really play. Sore losers, all of them.
 
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I think that @Oneiros has the right idea here: these scales belong to us and Goketsu, the clan, should be profiting.
The spiders and hornets helped out a lot too. And they would want help on the great seal.
why 'Great Seal, might destroy the Seventh Path and then the Human Path' didn't trigger any sort of reaction from Kabuto, but the word 'Dragon' did.
Kabuto already tried to get oro to help out the great seal before. So it's possible he already knew that info. While dragon was new
 
The spiders and hornets helped out a lot too. And they would want help on the great seal
That's fair - but I still think that we should personally enrich ourselves as something of a matter of priority.
Kabuto already tried to get oro to help out the great seal before. So it's possible he already knew that info. While dragon was new
I want to know why this actually mattered to Orochimaru. The reactions we got were very different. Kabuto didn't go running and Orochimaru didn't show up a half-hour later.
 
So if we decide to try and sell the dragon pieces to Orochimaru what kind of shinies would people like?
My list would be
  • Help getting 7th path chakra farm set up.
  • Buff/training Jutsu for all of the kids
  • Forbidden Lore
  • Having one of the dragon claws made into a sword for us

Jutsu. Actual powerful Jutsu: Training Jutsu, A-rank Jutsu, ect... basically the Pangoling Jutsu deal. We cannot use Jiraiya most powerful seals and his Jutsu notes went to Naruto, but now we can finally obtain the overpowered jutsus that we deserve. Basically, personally, of course, i want shinies.
 
Noburi shifted uncomfortably, then slid one step forward and to the side where he could flank anyone who went at Hazō from the front. Gratitude and loyalty overflowed in Hazō's heart and fear drowned at last.


Not even kidding. He would probably be good at the job. (Even Itachi wanted to make him clan head)

And Asuma would be way more useful traveling the world making friends and punching people.

Maybe we can make Noburi his primary assistant :V? Noburi is smart enough not to tell Hazou things Hazou isn't supposed to know.

He can even get SC that way.

Jutsu. Actual powerful Jutsu: Training Jutsu, A-rank Jutsu, ect... basically the Pangoling Jutsu deal. We cannot use Jiraiya most powerful seals and his Jutsu notes went to Naruto, but now we can finally obtain the overpowered jutsus that we deserve. Basically, personally, of course, i want shinies.

Good idea. I changed my opnion, let's get more stuff for Noburi.
 
How to stat up a fuck off ball of water jutsu for Noburi? Makes a ball of water around the user from existing source. IDK chakra price. AB zone radius, or AB over 2? Need gills or seals to breathe inside. Cannot use it to fly or it spills apart, penalty against lightning attacks when inside. Prevents substitution in or out. Not sure if it buffs or debuffs speed. Creates a border against escaping or approaching or stops targets inside the effect from leaving until they drown? Filling and having some control over explosive mines in the water is appealing.

Disaster readiness, collect minimum ninjutsu required to recover majority of existing ninjutsu by jutsu creation if everything is lost. Genjutsu, esoteric jutsu and each element.

Can jutsu stat calculator be made? Interpolation from 'key frame' jutsu. Basic fire ball, multiple fireball, fireball that leaves a trail of fire, multiple fireballs that leave trails of fire etc. Mixing and matching different properties. Stacking too many effects in one technique balloons chakra cost. Different elements having advantage for creating specific effects. Calculation can be saved by ignoring combinations that are too weak for combat. Use existing techniques as baseline, considering action economy and skill of original creator. Creators limited by years lived, chakra pool, elements known and shrinking casting time for combat use.

Toggles. xp, tags, stress, stress boxes, buffs, action used, weapon rating, block, maneuver, sprint, full defense, range, modifier stacking, aoe, dot Casual incomplete listing.
 
Was this mistake preventable? Is this a mistake we make in other places too? Is this a mistake in modeling Kabuto, in modeling Oro's subordinates, in modeling subordinates overall? Are we ignoring inter-character interactions too much? This could have been DEADLY.
In the future. We could start making flowchart decision paths for Hazou, in order to be prepared
 
For teaching new gen of shinobi, how to distribute skill sets? Skills taught based on postings and natural affinities. Postings. Home city or wilds, border, enemy city or wilds. Some 'they know we know we know they know' happens. If shinobi at one posting have predictable skill set, enemies take advantage making that skill set bad. Bloodlines give advantages in specific postings.
 
@eaglejarl Would you be willing to expand on what we could expect to gain from these notes mechanically? We've gotten a lot of Jiraiya's sealing notes before and it seemed to me that the only actionable info from that were a few actual seals.
This was announced on Discord and I forgot to post it here:

We're going to treat these notes and Jiraiya's notes that you gave up for the contest as pools of N XP, where N varies from set to set. You earn out the XP by studying the notes. All further details are still under discussion by the QMs.
 
How to stat up a fuck off ball of water jutsu for Noburi? Makes a ball of water around the user from existing source. IDK chakra price. AB zone radius, or AB over 2? Need gills or seals to breathe inside. Cannot use it to fly or it spills apart, penalty against lightning attacks when inside. Prevents substitution in or out. Not sure if it buffs or debuffs speed. Creates a border against escaping or approaching or stops targets inside the effect from leaving until they drown? Filling and having some control over explosive mines in the water is appealing.
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Water Prison Shark Dance Technique

After using the Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave, Kisame forms the water into a gigantic prison. Because he acts as the centre of the dome of water, the dome alters its position in order to reflect the direction of his movements, making it difficult for his target to escape as...
 
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Water Prison Shark Dance Technique

After using the Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave, Kisame forms the water into a gigantic prison. Because he acts as the centre of the dome of water, the dome alters its position in order to reflect the direction of his movements, making it difficult for his target to escape as...
Yes, this is the inspiration.
Noburi deserves more jutsu. Buy him grand jutsu such as big Reverse Water Prison Kisame used in manga.
Will not stop stanning my man, Noburi. Trying to translate it to this ruleset as a productive step in achieving it. Akatsuki cosplay is a side benefit.
 
More stuff would want from Oro
  • Chakra metal
  • Location of chakra golems
  • What happened to the bijou
 
The problem with getting Noburi more jutsu is that it's... difficult to level more jutsu, even with the half cost, because it has to go against raising basic stats like Athletics, Alertness, and Water Whip (which is already 50).
 
The problem with getting Noburi more jutsu is that it's... difficult to level more jutsu, even with the half cost, because it has to go against raising basic stats like Athletics, Alertness, and Water Whip (which is already 50).
Going forward we'll be representing more jutsu as stunts if they don't need to be leveled. I suspect that combat would need to be leveled but there are likely plenty of utility jutsu that don't.
 
PSA: Your Sealing-related notes are an XP bonus
PSA: Your Sealing-related notes are an XP bonus

The Gōketsu had Jiraiya's sealing notes, which they contributed to the contest and are now available to all Leaf sealmasters. Additionally, in chapter 505 Orochimaru offered you access to two different sets of sealing notes from collaborations that he and Jiraiya did back in the day.

  1. Each of these three sets of notes is represented as a separate pool of XP. (NB: We may or may not treat sealing notes from other sealmasters in this way going forward. It depends on whether the information is broad enough / well enough organized / complete enough, etc etc.)
  2. Anyone with at least 10 levels of Sealing can read the notes to tap into the XP.
  3. Studying the notes gets you N XP/day/instance, to a maximum of 4 instances. This XP may only be spent on Sealing.
    1. N is your XP base rate rounded up (for QM convenience). Hazō would therefore be getting 4 XP/day from the pool for each instance of him that is studying the notes.
    2. "Per instance" accounts for having Shadow Clones helping you with the studies. Prime is one instance, each Shadow Clone is another instance.
    3. At most 4 instances of you (4 clones or 3 clones + Prime, either way) can be working on a given set of notes at the same time. This limit is based on the number of people who can usefully be reading the notes at a time, how many worldlines the human brain can handle integrating at once, and because chakra is bullshit and a troll so we don't gotta explain nothing.
    4. You must study "a few hours" (on the time ladder) per day in order to get the XP. Call it one SC training block.
(NOTE: Until now we were representing the notes as Aspects that could be invoked while sealing. That is no longer the case; they are XP pools, not Aspects.)

Hazō has had access to Jiraiya's notes for months and presumably has reviewed some of them. Therefore, your current options (assuming you accept Orochimaru's seals) and advancement is:

  • Jiraiya's lifetime notes (publicly available): 1,500 XP. 20% complete
  • Orochimaru's Seal #31, Collab w/Jiraiya, May 1042: 200 XP. 0% complete
  • Orochimaru's Seal #32, Collab w/Jiraiya, July 1042: 200 XP. 0% complete
Pyramid management is a thing so we aren't going to auto-level your Sealing stat. You may vote on how much (if any) of the award to retroactively spend on Sealing. Note that this will not affect research rolls that were made in the past, as that's too much hassle. Please tag your votes as follows:

[x] (Notes XP) Spend <number>


Also, the Oro+Tsunade notes that Oro offered you are worth 100 to MedKnow and 100 to MedNin. You need 10 in both stats in order to extract the XP.

Most notes are not going to be represented this way. These are special; there may be further "XP loot boxes" out there but they will be rare. Precise conditions for notes counting as a lootbox are not determined and we would appreciate it if you didn't poke too hard.
 
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PSA: Sealing-related notes are an XP bonus

The Gōketsu had Jiraiya's sealing notes, which they contributed to the contest and are now available to all Leaf sealmasters. Additionally, in chapter 505 Orochimaru offered you access to two different sets of sealing notes from collaborations that he and Jiraiya did back in the day.

  1. Each of these three sets of notes is represented as a separate pool of XP. (NB: We may or may not treat sealing notes from other sealmasters in this way going forward. It depends on whether the information is broad enough / well enough organized / complete enough, etc etc.)
  2. Anyone with at least 10 levels of Sealing can read the notes to tap into the XP.
  3. Studying the notes gets you N XP/day/instance, to a maximum of 4 instances. This XP may only be spent on Sealing.
    1. N is your XP base rate rounded up (for QM convenience). Hazō would therefore be getting 4 XP/day from the pool for each instance of him that is studying the notes.
    2. "Per instance" accounts for having Shadow Clones helping you with the studies. Prime is one instance, each Shadow Clone is another instance.
    3. At most 4 instances of you (4 clones or 3 clones + Prime, either way) can be working on a given set of notes at the same time. This limit is based on the number of people who can usefully be reading the notes at a time, how many worldlines the human brain can handle integrating at once, and because chakra is bullshit and a troll so we don't gotta explain nothing.
(NOTE: Until now we were representing the notes as Aspects that could be invoked while sealing. That is no longer the case; they are XP pools, not Aspects.)

Hazō has had access to Jiraiya's notes for months and presumably has reviewed some of them. Therefore, your current options (assuming you accept Orochimaru's seals) and advancement is:

  • Jiraiya's lifetime notes (publicly available): 1,500 XP. 20% complete
  • Orochimaru's Seal #31, Collab w/Jiraiya, May 1042: 200 XP. 0% complete
  • Orochimaru's Seal #32, Collab w/Jiraiya, July 1042: 200 XP. 0% complete
Pyramid management is a thing so we aren't going to auto-level your Sealing stat. You may vote on how much (if any) of the award to retroactively spend on Sealing. Note that this will not affect research rolls that were made in the past, as that's too much hassle. Please tag your votes as follows:

[x] (Notes XP) Spend <number>


I see.

Okay, well, I guess that makes things much clearer.
 
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