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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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apooooop said:
I don't think (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that @Dictator4Hire's point was necessarily counter to yours, it's just a matter of timescales
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probably, i take issue whit this in pacticular:
Dictator4Hire said:
However, we also need to emphasize that we will never give up on them reconciling with one another because one day we will find a way for both of them to come to the conclusion that they want and can truly become a family
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If you're biting me to show affection then that's honestly better than saying I love you. You have the ability to tear a part of me off and aren't. That's more meaningful to me than any smooth words.
 
ContextBot said:
Kagome is the second, thrid and fourth opinion.

Noburi was already invovled.
Akane knows what's going on.
Ami is Ami.
And Hana would gladly get Mari murdered.

The only one left I trust is Cannai and we can't summon him for cuddles.
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We do however have experience asking Keiko for help convincing herself accounting for the maluses *from* her being the source of it
 
Velorien said:
"You imbecile!" Keiko's hands slammed against the table between them, knocking over cups of half-drunk tea. "Do you not understand!? A monster is sealed because it is too powerful to slay! Too powerful to be defeated! Every seal is a recognition of surrender by the human race, a delaying action fought against inevitable extinction! Do you not imagine we would have destroyed them if we could, a thousand times over? Even the Sage—"
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Major lore on The Five.
Velorien said:
"By the way," he said, "you should probably know that, partly as a consequence of that whole seal thing, I am now in a four-way relationship."

Keiko's smile disappeared.

"Hazō, you are not the first to attempt to romance unspeakable eldritch horrors that have taken up residence in their brain. It never ends well. If you find them demanding you prove your love, say by attempting to free their fellows, I urge you—"
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Probably also lore on the Five. Gross.
@Shrooms Update on Ebisu's clanless training project. Apologies if this is already accounted for; I am unable to find your ongoing projects post as the link is broken for me.
eaglejarl said:
"Oh, don't get me wrong—I think you've done great things for Leaf and I believe that you plan to do more great things...if you stick around, and if you don't get executed, and if you don't utterly destroy your relationships with the other clans because they don't view the world the way you do and you aren't willing to consider that your views aren't necessarily correct and their views might also have value. Your adoption tickets idea was brilliant and it's going to make a big difference over time. You got Ebisu to talk me into reviewing the training the clanless get, and you were both right: Many clanless are able to keep up with the clans if given the right resources and support. We're working on improving the curriculum and providing tutors. I'm already seeing results.
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would Keiko be willing to touch a puppy? It's basically a child and way smaller than her so her perception of being trapped by intimate contact may not apply, also fluffy.
 
Shrooms said:
Huh, it broke for me too. Weird because I looked at it just fine a week or two ago. Let me try updating my signature again
EDIT: Should be fixed. Idk what changed
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Yeah it's fixed.

Here's what the link was before:
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...al-naruto-quest.24481/page-7197#post-18702611
Here's what it is now:
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...h-a-rational-naruto-quest.24481/post-18702611

EDIT: Some investigation has revealed that a lot of older SV links are broken, but can be easily fixed by deleting the "page-[number]#" section of the URL. Check your signatures everyone.
 
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Assuming ACE works for Noburi and we survive 3 more months, so he gets 2 internal CP -- what's our strategy for getting Asuma to let us teach him SC? Or are we just gonna treason it up in the Seventh Path?
 
Paperclipped said:
At 19/19, he would need 550 XP to get to 30/30. He has 122 XP right now. He has 3 months until ACE, at an average of 4 XP per day (lets say), that's 360 XP for 480 total. So no, even assuming his pyramids weren't going to be hellishly complicated to rebalance.
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I suppose he could just wait a few more months after getting 2CP to get his medical abilities up to snuff and then talk to Tsunade about it? 30/30 might still be considered trash idk
 
We need to cheat and boost nobs with Forbiden knowlege! Aka, Bioseal him the ability to produce "hashirama cell" aka differentiable cells that can be regrow by using chakra and can be manioulate to stench any wound and even make organs. Its absolutely a hazou thing to do.
 
RandomOTP said:
Hm. Maybe, maybe not. We know that the Second Isan Arc forced Kei to confront her nihilism and depression. We know that Kei is undergoing a sort of proto-therapy with Akane to be "guided back into the light." If we could get Akane in the same room as Kei and Hazou when the conversation happens, maybe Akane can help?
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Honestly, I don't think it's respectful of Kei to keep beating this dead horse. Kei has stated her choices regarding her relationship with Mari and we should respect them. IMO This isn't something Hazou should be fixing.
 
Paperclipped said:
Assuming ACE works for Noburi and we survive 3 more months, so he gets 2 internal CP -- what's our strategy for getting Asuma to let us teach him SC? Or are we just gonna treason it up in the Seventh Path?
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Treasoning it up is the easiest option so I'm for it

We just need to make sure that Hazō isn't actually involved in teaching him. Kei has a lot more political value and has never vomited treason so we should just let her infer that we want her to teach Noburi
 
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Meh, Kei is being unreasonable, funny enough by being too logical. It's not exactly that Mari sacrificed Kei for Hazou, it's that Hazou was in immediate danger and Kei was not, despite Mari's gambit.

Also when people have to make decisions, value comes from...other things than favorites. Like Hazou is injured, defenseless, and her clan leader. Kei has Shikamaru's entire backing/clan (which as we saw, did the trick of saving everyone), and is thus more safe to point Oro at.

And Kei wanting an apology for the Swamp thing isn't going to help her standing tbh.

Mari did nothing wrong. So yeah I'd say Hazou stay out of it and at best, ask Ino and Shikamaru to hint Kei towards reconciliation.
 
I definitely think Mari was faced with an impossible situation and somehow finagled it and deserves major props for that, but I feel like the thread/discord is being excessively harsh on Kei. In her shoes I would probably be pissed too, tbh. Is her perspective 100% rational? No, but people seldom are and frankly I think she took it better than most would. From her point of view, even if it was the 'logical' decision, that resentment was already there and you just can't help but wonder what Mari's real motivation was. I think she has the right to be upset, personally, although I do hope they work through it one day since, from my perspective if not hers, I don't think the decision was made with malice, and it surely weighs heavily on Mari.
 
Shrooms said:
I definitely think Mari was faced with an impossible situation and somehow finagled it and deserves major props for that, but I feel like the thread/discord is being excessively harsh on Kei. In her shoes I would probably be pissed too, tbh. Is her perspective 100% rational? No, but people seldom are and frankly I think she took it better than most would. From her point of view, even if it was the 'logical' decision, that resentment was already there and you just can't help but wonder what Mari's real motivation was. I think she has the right to be upset, personally, although I do hope they work through it one day since, from my perspective if not hers, I don't think the decision was made with malice, and it surely weighs heavily on Mari.
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Kei's perspective is definitely not 100% rational, did you notice her bitterness at being sacrificed for the well-being of a preferred sibling? That's a lot of resentment being aimed at Hazo for being more valuable, and it brings to mind parallels between Kei's relationship with Ami and how the clan treated the two of them.
 
Didn't expect Kei to drop Mari so easily. We should make plans to prevent her dropping Hazou for his future actions, and contingencies for if it happens anyway.
 
roobee said:
Didn't expect Kei to drop Mari so easily. We should make plans to prevent her dropping Hazou for his future actions, and contingencies for if it happens anyway.
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Wouldn't worry about that too much. This isn't a case of Keiko being actually upset with the actions themselves. This is a case of her being really irrational and petty, knowing that, and not caring, because it's Mari. We haven't earned her ire that much.
 
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